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Posted: 1/29/2017 7:06:46 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bishop3:
I have reformatted this question in the SBR forum. I will install a CZ "922r compliant kit" that includes a buttstock. I will replace 6 parts, though apparently the buttstock is included in the count. Yes, there are 'aftermarket options' (money) I rather not purchase now, should the kit w/buttstock meet 922r. I like the CZ stock for what it's worth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bishop3:
Originally Posted By paraord16:
OK, I'm confused on the parts count now also. Since I'm doing a pistol to SBR build and it doesn't have a stock to start with, do I need to go from 15 parts to 10 or go from 16 to 10? Here's what I have so far for a pistol to SBR build: 1. Mag Follower 2. Mag Base 3. Manticore Stock - Since I'm not replacing, but adding a part, does it count? Need to Purchase: 4. Trigger 5. Disconnect 6. Sear 7. Hammer 8. Muzzle Device 9. ??????? Pistol Grip, if I can find a FDE I like. If I skip the muzzle device and the pistol grip that gives me either 6 or 7 (counting the stock), is that good enough to be compliant???? I have reformatted this question in the SBR forum. I will install a CZ "922r compliant kit" that includes a buttstock. I will replace 6 parts, though apparently the buttstock is included in the count. Yes, there are 'aftermarket options' (money) I rather not purchase now, should the kit w/buttstock meet 922r. I like the CZ stock for what it's worth. I screwed up, you're golden. I'm dumb. 6 parts is all you need. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:04:22 AM EDT
[#2]
Man, I've been going through the same bs. 922r is horseshit. What a ridiculous law. I want to do mine piece by piece. Where can I find the disconnector by its self?
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:23:36 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Girthrockwel:
Man, I've been going through the same bs. 922r is horseshit. What a ridiculous law. I want to do mine piece by piece. Where can I find the disconnector by its self? Not sure but you might try the CZ custom shop. I've thought about going with one of thier pricey barrels. They also have trigger packs. |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 8:21:07 PM EDT
[#4]
Can we please get some more grip choices?!? The only one that I've found that I like the look of is the everest and 60 bucks is completly unreasonable for a grip. Also I don't like that the finish is thin so if it gets scratched it's white.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2017 3:43:22 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Girthrockwel:
Can we please get some more grip choices?!? The only one that I've found that I like the look of is the everest and 60 bucks is completly unreasonable for a grip. Also I don't like that the finish is thin so if it gets scratched it's white. Switchback is only $49.99 from Yeti and has changeable back straps, then there's the Apex grip (not sure on the price there). |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2017 3:44:38 PM EDT
[#6]
So I did another thing that looked cool...
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Posted: 2/7/2017 6:14:06 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShootersElement:
Switchback is only $49.99 from Yeti and has changeable back straps, then there's the Apex grip (not sure on the price there). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShootersElement:
Originally Posted By Girthrockwel:
Can we please get some more grip choices?!? The only one that I've found that I like the look of is the everest and 60 bucks is completly unreasonable for a grip. Also I don't like that the finish is thin so if it gets scratched it's white. Switchback is only $49.99 from Yeti and has changeable back straps, then there's the Apex grip (not sure on the price there). Apex is $25, and looks like a grip angle that I would like, while it looks a bit odd I'm more of a function over form type. The looks are nothing a soldering iron stiple job couldnt fix either. I also agree with rockwel that $50-60 for a polymer grip is just ridiculously overpriced. |
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Posted: 2/8/2017 7:06:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UltimaSE]
[#8]
Remember that diagram is what the atf says can be removed or replaced for 922r compliance. The oem Cz stock is not made in the US therefore is not one of the items that can count towards 922r. This is why there are 7 parts included in the 922r package. If you go with a Manticore or lage stock then it would likely count as youre using a made in the us part.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 3:31:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Punkface]
[#9]
Meeting up with a guy tomorrow to buy his used one. Anything I need to look out for?
Update: guy flaked since he had someone offer $50 more than he asked. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 5:05:53 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Punkface:
Meeting up with a guy tomorrow to buy his used one. Anything I need to look out for? some people had an issue with the hammer not properly hardened that could get damaged after few hundreds rounds... there was a thread on this board a few months ago.. easy fix anyway since you can buy single spare parts in the US. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2017 1:25:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Punkface:
Meeting up with a guy tomorrow to buy his used one. Anything I need to look out for? Update: guy flaked since he has someone offer $50 more than he asked. That sucks...F that dude! Hate when people do that! |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2017 8:23:38 PM EDT
[#12]
Just put a deposit down on one. Time to browse the thread for ideas!
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2017 8:54:22 PM EDT
[#13]
theres one in the EE not bad I think its 700 bucks
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:35:36 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Munzy:
Apex is $25, and looks like a grip angle that I would like, while it looks a bit odd I'm more of a function over form type. The looks are nothing a soldering iron stiple job couldnt fix either. I also agree with rockwel that $50-60 for a polymer grip is just ridiculously overpriced. Someone needs to get Hogue on this. I looooooove their AK and AR grips. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2017 8:35:57 PM EDT
[#15]
I would be shocked if Hogue does a scorpion grip as there is still a small market compared to ar15 rifles and ak47 rifles in comparison. I would welcome it, but I think the market is still to small for them to invest the money for the startup cost.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 9:02:23 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akuser-47:
I would be shocked if Hogue does a scorpion grip as there is still a small market compared to ar15 rifles and ak47 rifles in comparison. I would welcome it, but I think the market is still to small for them to invest the money for the startup cost. it'd at least get them thinking about it. 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:29:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Neomonk21]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WILSON:
Maybe. But I bet if everyone in this thread emailed Hogue and asked if they're making one yet,.. it'd at least get them thinking about it. Good idea. I sent them an email.
ETA: They said they currently do not make one but will add it to the customer inquiry list. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 1:38:06 PM EDT
[#18]
Just ordered the Apex grip. Not all that excited about it to be honest, but it's reasonably priced and the grip angle looks good. Hopefully it surprises to the upside. We'll see...
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Posted: 2/15/2017 3:41:59 PM EDT
[#19]
Throw bicycle innertube on it, I put a cz75 (or something) rubber grip on mine, makes it a lot better. A little too narrow for me, but the angle is perfect.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 4:18:26 PM EDT
[#20]
I may try that. We'll see how it feels. I planned on soldering iron stipling it like my VFG, but if I'm gonna but an inner tube on there it would be a waste of time to add texture. Guess I'll see how it fits my hand first. Sometimes grips are deceptively comfortable.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 5:23:05 PM EDT
[#21]
 Attached File Attached FileTrying the Arisaka Defense m lok grip. So far I'm digging it. Direct attachment and nice and short. Made of aluminum to match the handguard as well. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 6:20:01 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harvey_Mushman:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/454828/IMG-1331-147301.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/454828/IMG-1330-147302.JPG Trying the Arisaka Defense m lok grip. So far I'm digging it. Direct attachment and nice and short. Made of aluminum to match the handguard as well. Gonna get hot with the can under the rail and everything is aluminum? |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 6:46:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harvey_Mushman:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/454828/IMG-1331-147301.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/454828/IMG-1330-147302.JPG Trying the Arisaka Defense m lok grip. So far I'm digging it. Direct attachment and nice and short. Made of aluminum to match the handguard as well. I have that exact grip on my primary AR. Been there for months with no plans to replace it.
Can I see a pic of the entire gun to see everything in proportion? |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 8:19:34 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26:
Gonna get hot with the can under the rail and everything is aluminum? We'll see this weekend. I've shot it a bunch just holding the handguard and didn't notice too much heat. It'll be interesting to see. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:54:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: seattlite]
[#25]
For those that are looking to install a 3-Lug adapter on their M18x1 threaded Scorpion, here is a comparison pic of the TROS and HKParts adapter:
OAL with 3-Lug adapter and a suppressor is still longer compared with direct thread...but I like the convenience of sharing the suppressor between various 3-Lug hosts. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:57:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Just got some factory 30 rounds mags. The mags will not drop free, it's feel like they're almost getting stuck. No problems whatsoever with the 20 rounders.
anyone else experience this? |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:18:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goosemaster]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOldRepublic:
Just got some factory 30 rounds mags. The mags will not drop free, it's feel like they're almost getting stuck. No problems whatsoever with the 20 rounders. anyone else experience this? They don't drop free, at least from the factory anyway. A couple minutes with a piece of sandpaper will fix that. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:33:54 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOldRepublic:
Just got some factory 30 rounds mags. The mags will not drop free, it's feel like they're almost getting stuck. No problems whatsoever with the 20 rounders. anyone else experience this? Same here, the 20 rounders that came with it are really smooth in and out. The 30s stick a little. It feels like it's the flat area that's a little fat. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 4:45:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Girthrockwel:
Same here, the 20 rounders that came with it are really smooth in and out. The 30s stick a little. It feels like it's the flat area that's a little fat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Girthrockwel:
Originally Posted By TheOldRepublic:
Just got some factory 30 rounds mags. The mags will not drop free, it's feel like they're almost getting stuck. No problems whatsoever with the 20 rounders. anyone else experience this? Same here, the 20 rounders that came with it are really smooth in and out. The 30s stick a little. It feels like it's the flat area that's a little fat. Wow, I actually came in here today to post this. Same story with me, the 20s eject just fine, but the 30 round mags need to be pulled out. Has anyone tried shooting with the 30s yet? |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 3:13:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Might take the plunge and start my second Form 1 for another Scorpion. Looking for evaluations and advice.
Both I plan on just starting with the pistol. I have my first Form 1, standard CZ stock installed. I think I want to add the carbine handguard with the pistol barrel, as I've seen in this thread, it's doable. I don't understand the handguard/barrel relationship, but I've seen it done, so I guess it works. I have an HK Parts 3 lug for my Rugged Obsidian that should be approved soon. I don't like the look of the 3lug, which is why I want the longer hand guard. I'm good to go there, correct? The second will be to the girlfriend's liking, but I'm assuming she'll want it suppressed as well, either the SilencerCo 9k or another Obsidian. If she wants to go shorter, what would my options be here? |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2017 5:25:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bdgfate]
[#31]
Quote HistoryWow, I actually came in here today to post this. Same story with me, the 20s eject just fine, but the 30 round mags need to be pulled out. Has anyone tried shooting with the 30s yet? I've never has any issues with 20s or 30s. Mine is a 2016 model. |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 6:31:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 170Driver:
Wow, I actually came in here today to post this. Same story with me, the 20s eject just fine, but the 30 round mags need to be pulled out. Has anyone tried shooting with the 30s yet? No issues shooting them. Work just fine. |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 7:52:04 PM EDT
[#33]
Just got my first "upgrade" for my Evo. Just the Shockwave Blade kit. Like it. Have a right side safety delete and HB Spring kit coming. Have some other things in the works. Form 1 has been filed. I'm sure I'll see it any decade now.
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USA
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Posted: 2/20/2017 8:28:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By seattlite:
For those that are looking to install a 3-Lug adapter on their M18x1 threaded Scorpion, here is a comparison pic of the TROS and HKParts adapter: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j102/richm2004/20170215_173943.jpg OAL with 3-Lug adapter and a suppressor is still longer compared with direct thread...but I like the convenience of sharing the suppressor between various 3-Lug hosts. TROS looks similar to Manticore's version. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:22:19 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
Just ordered the Apex grip. Not all that excited about it to be honest, but it's reasonably priced and the grip angle looks good. Hopefully it surprises to the upside. We'll see... I actually didn't like mine when I first got it. But now it's grown on me.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 12:25:29 PM EDT
[#36]
what didn't you like about it initially?
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Posted: 2/22/2017 4:36:12 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Girthrockwel:
No issues shooting them. Work just fine. Perfect! I'm happy to hear that! 
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NV, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:42:05 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bdgfate:
I've never has any issues with 20s or 30s. Mine is a 2016 model. That's strange. Mine is a 2016 model as well and I have to yank them out pretty hard  
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Posted: 2/22/2017 12:06:29 PM EDT
[#39]
what ever happened with the 'world trigger group issue"? I know a lot of people drilled some screws out or whatever, but what about the CZ-supplied replacement plan? Have there been any updates at all on this issue since the election?
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Posted: 2/23/2017 2:11:47 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
what ever happened with the 'world trigger group issue"? I know a lot of people drilled some screws out or whatever, but what about the CZ-supplied replacement plan? Have there been any updates at all on this issue since the election? I don't know what they are doing now because I got mine off with only some ugly inside, not effecting anything functionally. I won't ask them to trade it now... 
Has anyone tried a flash can on the pistol versions? I bought a micro flash can and it looks pretty good, pics coming later, but here's the micro can from internets. 
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Posted: 2/23/2017 3:02:29 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
what ever happened with the 'world trigger group issue"? I know a lot of people drilled some screws out or whatever, but what about the CZ-supplied replacement plan? Have there been any updates at all on this issue since the election? Nope, nothing. I have been on the list just over a year. Mine was drilled out with no issues and replaced with HBI trigger pack and screw. I planned to donate the screw if I was ever sent one but, I don't see it coming. Although, I haven't been on the CZ forum in some time to see if anyone there has received one. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2017 8:34:04 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Idaholandho:
Nope, nothing. I have been on the list just over a year. Mine was drilled out with no issues and replaced with HBI trigger pack and screw. I planned to donate the screw if I was ever sent one but, I don't see it coming. Although, I haven't been on the CZ forum in some time to see if anyone there has received one. Nope...no word from anyone over there getting the replacement. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 9:01:59 AM EDT
[#43]
Interesting. I'm a truck guy and have done some pretty cool gun mods too, I'm not afraid to drill out a screw, I just haven't done it yet and was wondering what the status of the "official" fix was. I figured that after the election things would calm down and cz USA would circle back to this issue. No luck so far though. Considering how cool they were about pumping out max scorpions pre 41F, I'm a little surprised.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2017 1:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ShootersElement]
[#44]
Two more happy scorpions going back to their homes...welded packs drilled out, new springs and triggers installed, tested and ready to box up.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 1:51:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheOldRepublic]
[#45]
I figured out why the 30 rounders aren't dropping free.
The catch on the 30 rounders is shaped differently 30 on the left  Attached FileShaved it down and they drop free like the 20s @Girthrockwel @170Driver |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 2:06:26 PM EDT
[#46]
Does anyone have the barrel nut tool and be willing to let me borrow it? My Scorpion is coming back from engraving and I want to put on my 3-lug adapter. HBI is sold out on the tool right now. I tried to get the nut off with a wrench but couldn't get it to budge.
I'll pay shipping both ways and even throw in something extra for your troubles. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 2:13:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOldRepublic:
I figured out why the 30 rounders aren't dropping free. The catch on the 30 rounders is shaped differently 30 on the left https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/377948/image-153043.JPG Shaved it down and they drop free like the 20s @Girthrockwel @170Driver Awesome man, thanks for the heads up! I figured it was a tolerance thing. I was thinking it was the flat area on the front side. I'll give the shave down a shot and see how it goes. Thanks again. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 2:19:18 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neomonk21:
Does anyone have the barrel nut tool and be willing to let me borrow it? My Scorpion is coming back from engraving and I want to put on my 3-lug adapter. HBI is sold out on the tool right now. I tried to get the nut off with a wrench but couldn't get it to budge. I'll pay shipping both ways and even throw in something extra for your troubles. I have one but Im in italy 
I'm sure someone will help you but if not just let me know. Btw did you check CZ custom shop? I got mine from them. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 3:16:00 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Girthrockwel:
Awesome man, thanks for the heads up! I figured it was a tolerance thing. I was thinking it was the flat area on the front side. I'll give the shave down a shot and see how it goes. Thanks again. You're welcome. I'm glad it was an easy fix. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:14:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOldRepublic:
I figured out why the 30 rounders aren't dropping free. The catch on the 30 rounders is shaped differently 30 on the left https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/377948/image-153043.JPG Shaved it down and they drop free like the 20s @Girthrockwel @170Driver Mine are the same way, and my 30s stick too. Everything is recent purchase so its newer made stuff. |
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