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Posted: 1/4/2019 2:51:24 AM EDT
[#1]
So a few months ago I did something I never do and made an impulse buy off a YouTube video. After watching MAC’s video on the TP9 and suppressor I went and picked up both the next day without doing the endless amounts of research I usually do before a big purchase. This was before I knew the apc9sd existed and I’m having some buyers remorse as I’ve always wanted an integrally suppressed sub-gun. I wish I could own both but it’s just not in the cards right now. So I’m thinking about selling the TP9 and withdrawing the Form 4 on the can to fund the apc9sd but have a couple questions before I commit.
After a quick google search it looks like THSF is the only place with them in stock to a mere civilian like myself. Arms-unlimited has them for sale but only to LE/MIL. Am I missing something or are they just not that widely available yet? About the can, is the apc9sd another gun that has a proprietary can like the tp9 or are there other cans that work with it? I came across these TPM suppressors in another thread but weren’t sure if they’re compatible with the apc9sd. Anyone ran one next to the B&t sd can? |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 3:16:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bestiller]
[#2]
The B&T SD suppressor is compatible with both the APC9SD and MP5SD. The thread pitch is M18x1
There’s is talk that the next generation of APC9SD’s will possibly have proprietary suppressors. B&T supposedly altered the design of the original APC9SD to make it compatible with MP5SD suppressors but the proprietary design is reported to be quieter. The TPM SD suppressor is compatible as well. Coincidentally, I am waiting on Stamps for each. The TP9 suppressed and SBR’d is an awesome platform, I’d be torn between them too |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 7:27:41 AM EDT
[#3]
Honestly, I’d keep the TP9 and TP9 Silencer and save up for the APC9SD.
My suppressed TP9 is currently my favorite 9mm gun. And I own an MP5SD from TPM and an APC9. I’d love an APC9SD, but I’m going to save up for a Glock Mag version. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87:
So a few months ago I did something I never do and made an impulse buy off a YouTube video. After watching MAC’s video on the TP9 and suppressor I went and picked up both the next day without doing the endless amounts of research I usually do before a big purchase. This was before I knew the apc9sd existed and I’m having some buyers remorse as I’ve always wanted an integrally suppressed sub-gun. I wish I could own both but it’s just not in the cards right now. So I’m thinking about selling the TP9 and withdrawing the Form 4 on the can to fund the apc9sd but have a couple questions before I commit. After a quick google search it looks like THSF is the only place with them in stock to a mere civilian like myself. Arms-unlimited has them for sale but only to LE/MIL. Am I missing something or are they just not that widely available yet? About the can, is the apc9sd another gun that has a proprietary can like the tp9 or are there other cans that work with it? I came across these TPM suppressors in another thread but weren’t sure if they’re compatible with the apc9sd. Anyone ran one next to the B&t sd can? |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:50:09 AM EDT
[#4]
Shooting Surplus might have the APC9sd in stock, or they did at one point. They seem to get a lot of the more boutique stuff.
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VT, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2019 8:49:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: westford86]
[#5]
I just got my APC9 back from engraving at Tar Heel State Firearms, I highly recommend them for anyone need their B&T engraved.
Before I put it on a Form 1 it was one of my all time favorite firearms, and in SBR configuration it's only better! I need to get a good 45 degree offset mount for the light to open up grip space on the forend. And incase anyone is wondering, the 22mm Spuhr mount is a great height for the APC platform. 
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Posted: 1/5/2019 9:35:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: razARback]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By westford86:
...I need to get a good 45 degree offset mount for the light to open up grip space on the forend. ETA: Maybe an IWC Thorntail 1913 Offset Light Mount? It looks compact and can be configured a number of different ways. 
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Posted: 1/5/2019 9:39:54 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By westford86:
I just got my APC9 back from engraving at Tar Heel State Firearms, I highly recommend them for anyone need their B&T engraved. Before I put it on a Form 1 it was one of my all time favorite firearms, and in SBR configuration it's only better! I need to get a good 45 degree offset mount for the light to open up grip space on the forend. And incase anyone is wondering, the 22mm Spuhr mount is a great height for the APC platform. http://www.westford86.com/BT_APC9/BH8_3902.jpg http://www.westford86.com/BT_APC9/BH8_3910.jpg http://www.westford86.com/BT_APC9/BH8_3915.jpg http://www.westford86.com/BT_APC9/BH8_3917.jpg |
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VT, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2019 10:13:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: westford86]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnLWare: Let me know what you figure out on this. I was thinking the same thing. ETA: Maybe an IWC Thorntail 1913 Offset Light Mount? It looks compact and can be configured a number of different ways. https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/static/cache/55/5a/555a122da2b4c3ad39f7037e991b30fd.jpg What I would love to find is a mount that is the same in concept as this Amazon airsoft special, but well made - https://www.amazon.com/WOLTIS-Picatinny-Profile-Adapter-Attachment/dp/B01EADV6BE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1546740407&sr=8-5&keywords=offset+rail I just like the idea of having the space freed up for my fingers again. There are several companies selling basically the same thing, and because the APC rails are plastic, I don't feel bad about the idea of securing an offset mount with a set screw that will without doubt dig in a little. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think KAC has a similar mounting system for their offset BUIS. I think the GG&G offset rail might not be a bad option as well - https://www.opticsplanet.com/gg-g-45-degree-offset-red-dot-rail-mount.html It is relatively low profile. At the end of the day, the Thortail is probably the best option and worth the little extra, after all we're spending B&T money, so what's another $50 rail section... |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2019 10:49:10 AM EDT
[#9]
i am right handed i had the thorntail and an inforce light on the left side. i have a vertical foregrip that i use as a handstop (thumb up instead of wrapped around grip) and the thorntail made it easier to work the light. when i had the inforce mounted directly on the rail, the angle my thumb had to be in was uncomfortable. the thorntail also allows me to mount the light forward a bit so it does affect my grip on the gun. i have removed the thorntail and light but only because i do not use the gun for defense.
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VT, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2019 11:13:13 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By humahuma:
i am right handed i had the thorntail and an inforce light on the left side. i have a vertical foregrip that i use as a handstop (thumb up instead of wrapped around grip) and the thorntail made it easier to work the light. when i had the inforce mounted directly on the rail, the angle my thumb had to be in was uncomfortable. the thorntail also allows me to mount the light forward a bit so it does affect my grip on the gun. i have removed the thorntail and light but only because i do not use the gun for defense. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:58:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: humahuma]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By westford86: Any pics of the set up? I am not usually into having a VFG, but I am tempted to try a stubby one on the APC. ive changed a few things after i posted my last picture. it took me a long time to finally order the handle because of the price. im glad i did though. easier to charge, out of the way and looks better. mine does not close when releasing the bolt but does after first shot. i swapped out a aimpoint micro for the leupold delta point pro. not as sexy but i feel like i have a better view and can aim faster. low light settings are not as good. prob not as durable but more robust than i thought it would be. the mag bumper pads are not cheap at $12 per and IMO do not look very good. they are thick and seem like they will do a great job of protecting the floor plate. i bought some as insurance. 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:27:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
My suppressed TP9 is currently my favorite 9mm gun. And I own an MP5SD from TPM and an APC9. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 3:50:43 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
Honestly, I’d keep the TP9 and TP9 Silencer and save up for the APC9SD. My suppressed TP9 is currently my favorite 9mm gun. And I own an MP5SD from TPM and an APC9. I’d love an APC9SD, but I’m going to save up for a Glock Mag version. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 6:31:29 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Why do you prefer the suppressed tp9 over the sd? |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 5:12:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: It’s awesome and a classic, but it probably weighs twice as much as the TP9 setup. An the TP9 is very compact. 
Would it be blasphemous to put anything other than the B&t SD can on an apc9sd? I feel like I want to keep it all in the same family but the TPM is $400+ cheaper. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2019 2:52:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Touché. The weight and size are what’s making me want to keep it. Nothing beats it in those areas. Possibly a mp7 but those are unobtainium. I was blown away at how light the tp9 can was when I first held it. Now as I type this you’re making me want tp pull my ad. Anyone need a kidney? if anyone knows of an online retailer selling 20 or 25 rnd mags for less than $70, please let me know! |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 6:52:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: westford86]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnLWare: Let me know what you figure out on this. I was thinking the same thing. ETA: Maybe an IWC Thorntail 1913 Offset Light Mount? It looks compact and can be configured a number of different ways. https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/static/cache/55/5a/555a122da2b4c3ad39f7037e991b30fd.jpg Next time I'm out plinking at night I'll have to record some video. With 150gn S&B subs it's paintball gun quiet. (Crappy cell phone pics) 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 2:35:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
[#18]
Question for the SD crowd. I’m looking to get the process going on a sd can once/if the shutdown ends but I’m torn between the tpm and B&t. I like that the tpm breakers down for easy cleaning. The B&t doesn’t so how is everyone cleaning theirs? From what I understand you can’t put an aluminum suppressor in an ultrasonic cleaner either but not 100% on that. I’d rather get the B&t to keep it all in the same family but the price and it not being user serviceable is what’s holding me back.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2019 6:40:06 PM EDT
[#19]
I have the same question as well. I'm also looking at the SD and the TPM shorty 8in SD suppressor, but wanted to know if there was any real advantage in getting the B&T suppressor or Silencerco Omega 9 SD. Both don't appear to serviceable and the SD seems to require a bit more cleaning. As a result, I was also curious how the B&T version is supposed to be cleaned or maintained.
Thanks in advance! |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 11:41:56 AM EDT
[#20]
Whatever came of the Glock mag lowers? I haven't heard anything from SHOT either.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2019 11:54:06 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GranBlanco:
Whatever came of the Glock mag lowers? I haven't heard anything from SHOT either. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 1:03:19 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GranBlanco:
Whatever came of the Glock mag lowers? I haven't heard anything from SHOT either. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2019 8:07:11 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GranBlanco:
Whatever came of the Glock mag lowers? I haven't heard anything from SHOT either. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2019 8:45:48 PM EDT
[#24]
glad to see the standard mag with AR grip lower at 38:10. hope the price is not too much.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:29:52 PM EDT
[#25]
One more question for folks with SD version...I'm getting close to purchasing one. I'm still going back and forth between the SD 9mm or APC45. There appears to be an option to use a fake SD suppressor while your real one is being approved. Has anyone tried a fake suppressor on their SD so they can at least use it?
For reference, RTG parts has one for $89. Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 3:08:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bestiller]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hokie2000:
One more question for folks with SD version...I'm getting close to purchasing one. I'm still going back and forth between the SD 9mm or APC45. There appears to be an option to use a fake SD suppressor while your real one is being approved. Has anyone tried a fake suppressor on their SD so they can at least use it? For reference, RTG parts has one for $89. Thanks!  I’m waiting on B&T SD and TPM SD suppressors. I am aware of the faux suppressor from RTG, I’m just going to wait it out for the real things to come in. Attached File |
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Posted: 1/30/2019 2:51:33 AM EDT
[#27]
any word on when the APC9 PRO will be coming out? or a price on it?
about to grab an APC9 from tombstone but if i can get a non recip CH by waiting a little bit then ill hold off. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/2/2019 12:27:51 AM EDT
[#28]
I wish I stocked up on the G18 33 round OEM mags before they got so $$$. They are inching close to B&T prices at $45/shipped.
Anyone have B&T magazines less than $45/shipped? |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 1:02:07 AM EDT
[#29]
https://www.manventureoutpost.com/BT-Magazine-9MM-30Rd-Fits-TP9APC9GHM9-Clear-Finish-BT-30183_p_8466.html
Manventure Outpost has them on sale for $36.47 |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 1:54:51 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurtrsFire:
any word on when the APC9 PRO will be coming out? or a price on it? about to grab an APC9 from tombstone but if i can get a non recip CH by waiting a little bit then ill hold off. http://www.gandrtactical.com/BampT-APC9K-PRO-Pistol_p_1238.html?fbclid=IwAR1jaghloj0t2YYE55gSL0-S1MfJkY5hS0Uo99qRD-UrQpY_19WST-tipQk These are the two links I know of. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/2/2019 8:09:15 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HALFNATTYGAINZ: http://www.gandrtactical.com/BampT-APC45-PRO-Pistol_p_1239.html?fbclid=IwAR0UxhXgM25iSvcA6lPMF32OupmCiwzNJw69iikpohrcOY69NSE4O3DuaPQ http://www.gandrtactical.com/BampT-APC9K-PRO-Pistol_p_1238.html?fbclid=IwAR1jaghloj0t2YYE55gSL0-S1MfJkY5hS0Uo99qRD-UrQpY_19WST-tipQk These are the two links I know of. APC”K” pistol, skeleton folder for APC series, Sig 320 magazine compatible Pro lowers (alternative to B&T and Glock mag Pro lowers). |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 8:39:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: VelveteenMole]
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Posted: 2/2/2019 9:42:03 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HALFNATTYGAINZ: http://www.gandrtactical.com/BampT-APC45-PRO-Pistol_p_1239.html?fbclid=IwAR0UxhXgM25iSvcA6lPMF32OupmCiwzNJw69iikpohrcOY69NSE4O3DuaPQ http://www.gandrtactical.com/BampT-APC9K-PRO-Pistol_p_1238.html?fbclid=IwAR1jaghloj0t2YYE55gSL0-S1MfJkY5hS0Uo99qRD-UrQpY_19WST-tipQk These are the two links I know of. |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 11:44:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: goloud]
[#34]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpU4VmgKVlI&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
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USA
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Posted: 2/4/2019 7:04:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FADALdude]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bestiller:
THAT would need some serious patience! This is my current situation, it’s certainly an exercise in patience I’m waiting on B&T SD and TPM SD suppressors. I am aware of the faux suppressor from RTG, I’m just going to wait it out for the real things to come in.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59839/1B6AFE8B-9000-4389-AA2E-594E36E05D65_jpeg-823443.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bestiller:
Originally Posted By Hokie2000:
One more question for folks with SD version...I'm getting close to purchasing one. I'm still going back and forth between the SD 9mm or APC45. There appears to be an option to use a fake SD suppressor while your real one is being approved. Has anyone tried a fake suppressor on their SD so they can at least use it? For reference, RTG parts has one for $89. Thanks! This is my current situation, it’s certainly an exercise in patience I’m waiting on B&T SD and TPM SD suppressors. I am aware of the faux suppressor from RTG, I’m just going to wait it out for the real things to come in.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59839/1B6AFE8B-9000-4389-AA2E-594E36E05D65_jpeg-823443.JPG |
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Posted: 2/5/2019 8:52:49 AM EDT
[#36]
My form 1 finally came back approved for the APC9.
I'm kind of kicking myself for not waiting on the PRO, after shooting it some I'm not a fan of the reciprocating charging handle at all, but I'll live with it. |
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Posted: 2/5/2019 10:28:24 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
My form 1 finally came back approved for the APC9. I'm kind of kicking myself for not waiting on the PRO, after shooting it some I'm not a fan of the reciprocating charging handle at all, but I'll live with it. |
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Posted: 2/5/2019 1:29:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By westford86: There will always be something new... At the end of the day very little of the iterative changes companies constantly roll out to keep us buying shit make any difference for the end user. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/5/2019 3:36:29 PM EDT
[#39]
Sounds like you need one of their QD short vert grips ;)
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2019 9:58:53 AM EDT
[#40]
What stocks do you guys tend to like for your APC9? I'm probably going to pick up one of the APC9 Pros when they release and SBR it, I was thinking of the folding adjustable stock.
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Posted: 2/6/2019 2:13:04 PM EDT
[#41]
I like the telescoping stock on mine. I have the folding stock on my SP5K and its nice as well. Just depends on what you are looking for.
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USA
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Posted: 2/6/2019 3:27:03 PM EDT
[#42]
The telescoping stock is easily the most compact, which is the purpose of a folding/telescoping stock to begin with. Super slender and doesn’t add much front to back. The folders just move all of the mass of the stock to the side, although they have much better cheekweld. I went telescoping.
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Posted: 2/6/2019 4:06:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: razARback]
[#43]
Holy cow - the APC9 telescoping stock is $625?
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Posted: 2/6/2019 4:15:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnLWare:
Holy cow - the APC9 telescoping stock is $625? |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2019 4:24:43 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Touché. The weight and size are what’s making me want to keep it. Nothing beats it in those areas. Possibly a mp7 but those are unobtainium. I was blown away at how light the tp9 can was when I first held it. Now as I type this you’re making me want tp pull my ad. Anyone need a kidney?
Would it be blasphemous to put anything other than the B&t SD can on an apc9sd? I feel like I want to keep it all in the same family but the TPM is $400+ cheaper. Maybe I'm part of the unwashed, but I don't really understand the utility in the SD functionality. 147s in a separate mag are magical in the APC9. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 4:35:07 PM EDT
[#46]
I got both the collapsible, and basic side folding stocks. As stated above, different uses for each.
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:29:39 PM EDT
[#47]
@DCV_117
Whatever happened with your F5 drum? Did you get one that worked, or did they take the second broken one back? |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:52:55 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
@DCV_117 Whatever happened with your F5 drum? Did you get one that worked, or did they take the second broken one back?  Attached FileThe back cap is what holds the piece on, and it's just glued in there. Personally I don't think anodized aluminum is a very good bonding surface, I may try to roughen it up with some sand paper or drill some holes in it so the glue can get a better hold on there. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:59:04 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyharriett:
When these first hit the market in late 2015 these were unobtanium and selling for around $800 so count your blessings that you can now get them for $625. The quality of these stocks are unmatched and you get what you pay for. 
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Posted: 2/6/2019 6:04:51 PM EDT
[#50]
I just took it apart to have a look at what I’m dealing with and one of the inside followers came apart too. It appears these ones are not even glued on. I don’t think the lack of glue on these is an issue because there is not enough room for them to come off unless the magazine is taken apart. The problem is top one.
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