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@coregon Wouldn't I need one of the new tapered bolts in order to get an MCX to work with the new production 6.75 barrels? It's tough to find the gen 1 6.75 barrels in stock anywhere.
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Originally Posted By KeterMalkuth:
@coregon Wouldn't I need one of the new tapered bolts in order to get an MCX to work with the new production 6.75 barrels? It's tough to find the gen 1 6.75 barrels in stock anywhere. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By coregon: Yes. Below are all the 762 Suppressor SKU's: SRD762 (Steel, Direct Thread) SRD762-QD (Steel, QD) SRD762TI (Ti, Direct Thread - as close to the LVAW/CAG original suppressor as you can get outside the LVAW program) SRD762TI-10 (Ti, Direct Thread - New for 2019, also used in LVAW program) SRD762TI-QD (Ti, QD) ETA: Wasnt trying to battle semantics - just wanted to make sure to clarify, exactly, what you were referring to View Quote One step closer! Time for the long wait. I hope my examiner completes this stamp at the same time they complete the SBR F4 stamp. |
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One of my LGS has one last SRD556TI-DT in stock for a really low price.
Are those things limited to 16" barrels? Or are they good on an 11.5 MCX? |
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Originally Posted By blackofwhite:
Just picked up my first MCX, the Tacops version. My Gemtech One is pretty loud on it, so I think I'm going to pick up the SRD762Ti. https://i.imgur.com/G7uKmBG.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By blackofwhite:
Correct - the inert device comes right off like a normal muzzle device. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By mdavis:
And is it technically a Virtus model or no? I don't see "Virtus" stamped on the upper on that plate on the left side of the receiver. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By blackofwhite:
Yes, it is under the Virtus line - uses the Virtus SD handguard. Not sure why they didn't include the stamp on the plate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By blackofwhite:
Originally Posted By mdavis:
And is it technically a Virtus model or no? I don't see "Virtus" stamped on the upper on that plate on the left side of the receiver. |
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Originally Posted By mdavis:
And is it technically a Virtus model or no? I don't see "Virtus" stamped on the upper on that plate on the left side of the receiver. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mdavis:
Originally Posted By blackofwhite:
Originally Posted By mdavis:
Nice. Since it's a pistol, the inert training device on the barrel is not permanently installed correct? |
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Originally Posted By elucidate:
I had heard these TacOps were over-run from a military contract, hence no virtus branding. BUT, if so then It'd have been real nice of them to include the mil barrel! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By elucidate:
Originally Posted By coregon: Yes - its just a change in "branding". Still 100% Virtus There are similar configs being delivered for LVAW. |
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Originally Posted By coregon: Nah, not entirely true. The TACOPS is a distributor exclusive. There are similar configs being delivered for LVAW. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By elucidate:
I was with global defense a couple weeks ago and saw the LVAW on the production line. Obviously they were full auto and the barrel didn't have an adjustable gas block. Other than that they were virtus with MLOK etc. I wonder if that's why TALO got the exclusive as they got similar whilst adding to the economies of scale for an existing run. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By elucidate:
Originally Posted By coregon: Nah, not entirely true. The TACOPS is a distributor exclusive. There are similar configs being delivered for LVAW. |
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Originally Posted By coregon:
I promise pictures tomorrow View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
Originally Posted By coregon:
I can weigh any variation that’s needed. I have a couple of MCX... just someone let me know exactly what they want weighed. Weight increases with Virtus are, primarily, in the barrel profile and handguards. More than a few of us would like to know the weight differences. The folks that spoke up were mostly interested in the 11.5 configured upper. So, I think weight like this would be sweet to see. 1. Legacy vs Virtus vs Rattler semi-stripped uppers 2. Legacy vs Virtus 11.5 barrels with oprods (Virtus has a longer oprod here, right?) 3. Legacy vs Virtus handguards Bonus points: 9" barrels and 16" barrels and matching handguards compared. I know we lean on you pretty heavily around here, and I'm sure I speak for the group when I say we really appreciate you being such a great resource for us. PS: Tell them to add Rattler case deflectors to the store :) Originally Posted By zombiegristle:
Originally Posted By coregon: Absolutely. Anytime anyone is on the fence or wants to see/get info on a particular configuration, just let me know and I can cobble it together. I’ll get some weights this weekend. Hey, that’s why I’m here. Always glad to help. |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
@coregon caugh caugh. ;) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
Originally Posted By coregon:
I can weigh any variation that’s needed. I have a couple of MCX... just someone let me know exactly what they want weighed. Weight increases with Virtus are, primarily, in the barrel profile and handguards. More than a few of us would like to know the weight differences. The folks that spoke up were mostly interested in the 11.5 configured upper. So, I think weight like this would be sweet to see. 1. Legacy vs Virtus vs Rattler semi-stripped uppers 2. Legacy vs Virtus 11.5 barrels with oprods (Virtus has a longer oprod here, right?) 3. Legacy vs Virtus handguards Bonus points: 9" barrels and 16" barrels and matching handguards compared. I know we lean on you pretty heavily around here, and I'm sure I speak for the group when I say we really appreciate you being such a great resource for us. PS: Tell them to add Rattler case deflectors to the store :) Originally Posted By zombiegristle:
Originally Posted By coregon: Absolutely. Anytime anyone is on the fence or wants to see/get info on a particular configuration, just let me know and I can cobble it together. I’ll get some weights this weekend. Hey, that’s why I’m here. Always glad to help. I promise I’ll snag some soon. |
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@coregon Hello! I've got two quick questions, if that's alright. Firstly, may I ask how close of a configuration the tacops virtus rifle is to this mysterious Virtus LVAW that's being delivered? What are the differences between the two, if you're allowed to say? I've seen the OG LVAW in pictures and such, so I know essentially what that looks like, but from the conversation y'all were having, it seems like there's a newer version that's in production as well.
Secondly, is it possible to safely use the tapered lug bolt with a legacy barrel? I'm intending to get a legacy MCX and buy a Virtus 6.75 barrel for it, and was wondering if I could use the new bolt for both barrels, or if it's necessary to swap the bolts when swapping the barrels. Thank you very much in advance for any answers you can give! |
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Originally Posted By KeterMalkuth:
@coregon Hello! I've got two quick questions, if that's alright. Firstly, may I ask how close of a configuration the tacops virtus rifle is to this mysterious Virtus LVAW that's being delivered? What are the differences between the two, if you're allowed to say? I've seen the OG LVAW in pictures and such, so I know essentially what that looks like, but from the conversation y'all were having, it seems like there's a newer version that's in production as well. Secondly, is it possible to safely use the tapered lug bolt with a legacy barrel? I'm intending to get a legacy MCX and buy a Virtus 6.75 barrel for it, and was wondering if I could use the new bolt for both barrels, or if it's necessary to swap the bolts when swapping the barrels. Thank you very much in advance for any answers you can give! View Quote It has similarities, but isnt exactly like the LVAW gun. There is a "new" version of the LVAW that is being delivered that includes MLOK, etc. The TACOPS is as close to an LVAW as you can purchase on the commercial side, directly over the counter. Understand though that LVAW is so versatile, its not going to be like cloning a "standard" GWOT (or whatever era) M4/M16/whatever. The operator kits ship with multiple barrels, handgusards, suppressors, etc. So, there are dozens and dozens of configurations out there being used, all under the "LVAW" flag. No - legacy barrels use the M16-style lugs. Virtus barrels use the tapered lugs. Using the wrong barrel/bolt combination will not allow the rifle to go into battery and can lock up the bolt in the barrel extension. If you purchase a Virtus and also purchase a 6.75" barrel NEW, the barrel should come with the appropriate bolt. There are both Legacy and Virtus versions of the 6.5" barrel, so if you find a Legacy version, you could obviously use that barrel with your same Legacy BCG/Bolt and not need to change bolts when changing barrels. Make sense? |
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@coregon Yes sir, absolutely! Thank you very much for the quick and thorough response, it's greatly appreciated!
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I’m about to take the plunge on either a Rattler or the Tacops “LVAW”.
Is the civilian Virtus line still 6061 and the Mil line 7075? Why can’t SIG just make them the same? |
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Originally Posted By methical20:
I'm about to take the plunge on either a Rattler or the Tacops "LVAW". Is the civilian Virtus line still 6061 and the Mil line 7075? Why can't SIG just make them the same? View Quote Are the Armed Professional Program Virtus 7075, or 6061? I know the barrels are chrome lined, instead of nitrided. |
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
I just picked up a complete Virtus 11.5" 5.56 upper kit this week. Here riding on my SBR Rattler lower with the SRD-762QD. The 762 can is pretty huge for this gun, so I may go with my surefire 556 can instead. https://i.imgur.com/bR611yu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rXaLsti.jpg As close as I'll probably ever get to a LVAW. https://i.imgur.com/0xdYlXw.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955:
In a similar vein, @coregon Are the Armed Professional Program Virtus 7075, or 6061? I know the barrels are chrome lined, instead of nitrided. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Originally Posted By methical20:
I'm about to take the plunge on either a Rattler or the Tacops "LVAW". Is the civilian Virtus line still 6061 and the Mil line 7075? Why can't SIG just make them the same? Are the Armed Professional Program Virtus 7075, or 6061? I know the barrels are chrome lined, instead of nitrided. There's no reason commercial guns or APP guns would be manufactured differently - they're built on the same machines, assembled on the same production line, they just end up being different colors. In a nutshell - we build guns to contract parameters. Some contracts will denote a type of material be used (7075, for example) while others won't - same with the barrels being CL, instead of CHF/Nitride) - and we will build those guns to suit. If USSOCOM or LAPD SWAT or whomever comes and meets the minimum for building a gun for their specific application, we do that. This is one of the reasons for all the variations of SIG (insert model here). So, 6061 is the "spec" on these guns - that doesnt mean there aren't 7075 out there. All that said - I dont really get the whole 6061 vs 7075 argument - they're really irrelevant, as the wear points on these guns are user serviceable (Cam Pat Insert, feed ramps, replaceable/removable FA, etc). |
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Originally Posted By coregon: So, i've heard this from several people, but its not necessarily true. There's no reason commercial guns or APP guns would be manufactured differently - they're built on the same machines, assembled on the same production line, they just end up being different colors. In a nutshell - we build guns to contract parameters. Some contracts will denote a type of material be used (7075, for example) while others won't - same with the barrels being CL, instead of CHF/Nitride) - and we will build those guns to suit. If USSOCOM or LAPD SWAT or whomever comes and meets the minimum for building a gun for their specific application, we do that. This is one of the reasons for all the variations of SIG (insert model here). So, 6061 is the "spec" on these guns - that doesnt mean there aren't 7075 out there. All that said - I dont really get the whole 6061 vs 7075 argument - they're really irrelevant, as the wear points on these guns are user serviceable (Cam Pat Insert, feed ramps, replaceable/removable FA, etc). View Quote On a related note, it sure looks like the barrel on that 11.5" 5.56 upper I just got is chrome lined, at least from the muzzle. |
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
Personally I don't think it will ever make a difference to most owners, very few will shoot enough to wear anything out. But I think the issue comes up, because 7075 is a "stronger" material, and people feel they are getting an inferior product to the 7075 guns, and/or they want the same thing uncle sugar gets. On a related note, it sure looks like the barrel on that 11.5" 5.56 upper I just got is chrome lined, at least from the muzzle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
Originally Posted By coregon: So, i've heard this from several people, but its not necessarily true. There's no reason commercial guns or APP guns would be manufactured differently - they're built on the same machines, assembled on the same production line, they just end up being different colors. In a nutshell - we build guns to contract parameters. Some contracts will denote a type of material be used (7075, for example) while others won't - same with the barrels being CL, instead of CHF/Nitride) - and we will build those guns to suit. If USSOCOM or LAPD SWAT or whomever comes and meets the minimum for building a gun for their specific application, we do that. This is one of the reasons for all the variations of SIG (insert model here). So, 6061 is the "spec" on these guns - that doesnt mean there aren't 7075 out there. All that said - I dont really get the whole 6061 vs 7075 argument - they're really irrelevant, as the wear points on these guns are user serviceable (Cam Pat Insert, feed ramps, replaceable/removable FA, etc). On a related note, it sure looks like the barrel on that 11.5" 5.56 upper I just got is chrome lined, at least from the muzzle. and again, just to clarify, not all the guns Uncle Sugar is getting are necessarily 7075 - the guns are built to the spec that they want (not all contracts denote a certain material). However, you also have COTS programs, etc. |
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Originally Posted By coregon: So, i've heard this from several people, but its not necessarily true. There's no reason commercial guns or APP guns would be manufactured differently - they're built on the same machines, assembled on the same production line, they just end up being different colors. In a nutshell - we build guns to contract parameters. Some contracts will denote a type of material be used (7075, for example) while others won't - same with the barrels being CL, instead of CHF/Nitride) - and we will build those guns to suit. If USSOCOM or LAPD SWAT or whomever comes and meets the minimum for building a gun for their specific application, we do that. This is one of the reasons for all the variations of SIG (insert model here). So, 6061 is the "spec" on these guns - that doesnt mean there aren't 7075 out there. All that said - I dont really get the whole 6061 vs 7075 argument - they're really irrelevant, as the wear points on these guns are user serviceable (Cam Pat Insert, feed ramps, replaceable/removable FA, etc). View Quote |
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Is there any reason to buy the patrol version? I think they are neat for some reason but not sure it makes sense unles a short barrel and/or suppressed.
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Originally Posted By pew_pew_87:
Is there any reason to buy the patrol version? I think they are neat for some reason but not sure it makes sense unles a short barrel and/or suppressed. View Quote Longer barrel = more velocity. There are military and LE customers using the longer barrel carbines, so, if that's what you want, then get it. If you want a backpack gun, get the pistol. At the end of the day, if you live in a free state, get whatever you want. |
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Hey @coregon does this mean what I think it does? the 7.62is a go? when can we be expecting the exchange parts? I think the article came out a month ago or so.
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
That's kind of a strange question. I mean, it's like asking "should I buy a 16 inch AR"? Longer barrel = more velocity. There are military and LE customers using the longer barrel carbines, so, if that's what you want, then get it. If you want a backpack gun, get the pistol. At the end of the day, if you live in a free state, get whatever you want. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
Originally Posted By pew_pew_87:
Is there any reason to buy the patrol version? I think they are neat for some reason but not sure it makes sense unles a short barrel and/or suppressed. Longer barrel = more velocity. There are military and LE customers using the longer barrel carbines, so, if that's what you want, then get it. If you want a backpack gun, get the pistol. At the end of the day, if you live in a free state, get whatever you want. |
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Originally Posted By pew_pew_87: My point is, is it worth getting a 16” piston gun? Generally piston guns really shine with short barrels and/or suppressed. View Quote If going short, or suppressed, or folded were not criteria for me, I would probably get an AR15 instead. Why do I say that? Well, keep in mind the Virtus is like somewhere around two pounds heavier than a comparable BCM 16" with MCMR handguard and midlength gas system and one of their improved profile barrels. |
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What Virtus handguard options are available? How about slimmed down as possible? There’s a fair bit of material and surface that could be trimmed out if given purpose towards that goal. That would seem an inevitable outcome sooner or later.
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Originally Posted By SIASL:
What Virtus handguard options are available? How about slimmed down as possible? There’s a fair bit of material and surface that could be trimmed out if given purpose towards that goal. That would seem an inevitable outcome sooner or later. View Quote Lancer makes carbon fiber handguards, but those are only for Legacy and not Virtus AFAIK. |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
The Midwest Industries handguards are about as trimmed down as you want to get IMHO. They are kind of thin, but extremely light. I like mine. Lancer makes carbon fiber handguards, but those are only for Legacy and not Virtus AFAIK. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
Originally Posted By SIASL:
What Virtus handguard options are available? How about slimmed down as possible? There’s a fair bit of material and surface that could be trimmed out if given purpose towards that goal. That would seem an inevitable outcome sooner or later. Lancer makes carbon fiber handguards, but those are only for Legacy and not Virtus AFAIK. |
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Originally Posted By SIASL:
Are you talking thin-walled construction? If so, that’s not exactly what I had in mind. There’s overlap on the guard on the receiver end and I wonder if all of it is necessary. Could a rail be sturdy enough if areas other than secure points (rail-to-receiver bottom lug and side channels) were relief cut down and transitioned forward. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SIASL:
Originally Posted By SpyHawk:
Originally Posted By SIASL:
What Virtus handguard options are available? How about slimmed down as possible? There’s a fair bit of material and surface that could be trimmed out if given purpose towards that goal. That would seem an inevitable outcome sooner or later. Lancer makes carbon fiber handguards, but those are only for Legacy and not Virtus AFAIK. One of the main reasons the Virtus handguard is heavier than the Legacy MCX is because it needed more thickness to optimally support rail mounted laser aiming systems. On the legacy MCX, you really want to keep your laser on the receiver rail. |
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Has anyone used one of the Midwest Industries Suppressor handguards with their 9" Virtus? I was thinking about getting either the 13.5 or 15 for mine with an AAC 762SDN6.
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Originally Posted By VT_K9: We looked at the Midwest handguard, but we are running the Dead Air Sandman K and I am not sure it would protrude beyond the handguard. We went with the Sig suppressor handguard. I would like one slightly smaller in diameter. I may pick one up to try anyway. I have a SDN6 as well and it would look good with the 13.5, but you’d have to remove the handguard to remove the suppressor. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/41141/281ACBD7-3BCA-451E-9910-CFF4BE9E7D31-914068.jpg View Quote Does the added weight bother you? This thing is already front heavy enough. |
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Originally Posted By cdholmes:
@VT-K9 Does the added weight bother you? This thing is already front heavy enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cdholmes:
Originally Posted By VT_K9: We looked at the Midwest handguard, but we are running the Dead Air Sandman K and I am not sure it would protrude beyond the handguard. We went with the Sig suppressor handguard. I would like one slightly smaller in diameter. I may pick one up to try anyway. I have a SDN6 as well and it would look good with the 13.5, but you’d have to remove the handguard to remove the suppressor. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/41141/281ACBD7-3BCA-451E-9910-CFF4BE9E7D31-914068.jpg Does the added weight bother you? This thing is already front heavy enough. Years ago I went from the traditional carbine plastic hand guard to the YHM 4 rail free float...back in the '90s. They were simple and nice for their price. I used to run a AAC 9" upper and preferred the slimmer hanguard. I know the Sig handguards are sized to work with their suppressors, hence their size. I believe I read somewhere the Sig suppressors do not fit under the MI handguards. There was a brief discussion about how the diameter was chosen. I like the fact I can place the laser and light further forward than the standard handguard, but I prefer a smaller handguard. Mike |
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Originally Posted By coregon:
@SpyHawk - I owe you an apology. I never got your these pics/weights. I will get them for you today. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: Thanks, man! Appreciate it. View Quote Here you go. Upper receivers/chassis. Top = Legacy Middle = Virtus Bottom = Rattler Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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On the hand guards, I just grabbed several. I figured this gave a good, broad representation of the differences. I have a ton of others, it just comes down to me finding them
Top to Bottom: #1 = Virtus Carbine SD (HGRD-MCX-CARBINE-MLOK-BLK) #2 = Legacy Carbine SD #3 = Virtus PDW SD (HGRD-MCX-PDW-MLOK-GRY) #4 = Rattler SD (HGRD-MCX-R30-MLOK-SD-BLK) #5 = Legacy PDW Attached File And here's another handguard you didnt ask for.... Attached File |
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11.5" Virtus Barrel is shown below. I couldn't find my 11.5" Legacy barrel - I think its in a box of "old" MCX stuff at the top of one of my pallet racks and I was too lazy to go searching for it.
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