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Posted: 3/25/2020 5:37:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mecha_Loopy: Will the Warcomp + Warden clear the end of the handguard? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mecha_Loopy: Originally Posted By SIASL: TacOps with 9” barrel and TR25. Just throwing ideas around - set at max power and use a ring mounted RMR/SRO for 1x + NV use? The ring mounted RDS would keep it at a good height for NV (quick check) and the x-power for possibilities? Plan on a SF Warcomp and Warden in the near future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384478/7675F506-D6E7-49E4-98BE-00B581B20804-1332986.jpg Will the Warcomp + Warden clear the end of the handguard? I believe so. If I figured correctly it should play peek-a-boo at the very end. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 8:54:59 PM EDT
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Rattler / M4 / MI / BOSS
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2020 11:07:56 AM EDT
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^ Very nice.
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2020 2:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo there is enough clearance between the MI handguard and can to fit mlok accessories? |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 5:34:40 PM EDT
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Rattler versus MCX 6.75" "LFaux" (Faux-LVAW).
Similar guns functionally in and that they're both short 300 BLK suppressed guns, but set up for totally different roles, Rattler as a PDW, MCX as a Low-Vis fighting gun.  ~Augee |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2020 6:40:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cmcflex]
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^ That’s nasty.
 Picked up my SRD762-Ti yesterday (and the QDC/CQB).  
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Posted: 3/28/2020 11:10:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: Rattler versus MCX 6.75" "LFaux" (Faux-LVAW). Similar guns functionally in and that they're both short 300 BLK suppressed guns, but set up for totally different roles, Rattler as a PDW, MCX as a Low-Vis fighting gun. https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/s1080x1080/90792353_2770655873054272_7214108442531555554_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=PJVXfO7rSLkAX9rbQGt&oh=f1bcd23f715f2b84b453fd8721b89b84&oe=5EA73B9A ~Augee @TNVC_Augee Are you bridging the two rails together with the MAWL? How has laser repeatability been? Very nice setups. Especially the Eotech FTC mount. I plan on buying that and the G45 magnifier once they are available. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 11:31:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1: @TNVC_Augee Are you bridging the two rails together with the MAWL? How has laser repeatability been? Very nice setups. Especially the Eotech FTC mount. I plan on buying that and the G45 magnifier once they are available. The Legacy MCX has a longer receiver rail than the Virtus, so the MAWL is 100% sitting on the receiver rail. IMHO, the longer receiver rail makes the Legacy guns better suited for night fighting guns than the Virtus. Granted, the Virtus handguard *is* rated for RTZ, but so’s the 416 handguard, and I know very few guys who have used the 416 long-term that actually trust it. Sadly, the G.45 will not be compatible with the G.33 FTC.  The G.33 is tight enough because of the way it needs to be mounted in order for the FTC function to work that dimensions of the G.34 FTC mount had to be very specific, and EOTech changed them enough with their new magnifiers to preclude their use. ~Augee |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 12:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: The Legacy MCX has a longer receiver rail than the Virtus, so the MAWL is 100% sitting on the receiver rail. IMHO, the longer receiver rail makes the Legacy guns better suited for night fighting guns than the Virtus. Granted, the Virtus handguard *is* rated for RTZ, but so’s the 416 handguard, and I know very few guys who have used the 416 long-term that actually trust it. Sadly, the G.45 will not be compatible with the G.33 FTC. The G.33 is tight enough because of the way it needs to be mounted in order for the FTC function to work that dimensions of the G.34 FTC mount had to be very specific, and EOTech changed them enough with their new magnifiers to preclude their use. ~Augee Man, that sucks about the G45.... thanks for the heads up.... you saved me $600+ in headaches. I'd rather have the FTC function. I have a MCX on order and plan on using it more as a PDW/get home gun. I have a LMT CSW upper with a monolithic upper rail that I plan on using with a MAWL for a night setup. Thanks again @TNVC_Augee |
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USA
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Posted: 3/28/2020 12:41:50 PM EDT
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Current status: EOTech, Rex MG10 Ultra 308, Grey SD Carbine Handguard, Geissele Super MCX Trigger
Next: SRD762Ti is in jail. SBR and maybe the Romeo4T 
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Posted: 3/28/2020 12:44:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1: Man, that sucks about the G45.... thanks for the heads up.... you saved me $600+ in headaches. I'd rather have the FTC function. I have a MCX on order and plan on using it more as a PDW/get home gun. I have a LMT CSW upper with a monolithic upper rail that I plan on using with a MAWL for a night setup. Thanks again @TNVC_Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1: Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee: The Legacy MCX has a longer receiver rail than the Virtus, so the MAWL is 100% sitting on the receiver rail. IMHO, the longer receiver rail makes the Legacy guns better suited for night fighting guns than the Virtus. Granted, the Virtus handguard *is* rated for RTZ, but so’s the 416 handguard, and I know very few guys who have used the 416 long-term that actually trust it. Sadly, the G.45 will not be compatible with the G.33 FTC. The G.33 is tight enough because of the way it needs to be mounted in order for the FTC function to work that dimensions of the G.34 FTC mount had to be very specific, and EOTech changed them enough with their new magnifiers to preclude their use. ~Augee Man, that sucks about the G45.... thanks for the heads up.... you saved me $600+ in headaches. I'd rather have the FTC function. I have a MCX on order and plan on using it more as a PDW/get home gun. I have a LMT CSW upper with a monolithic upper rail that I plan on using with a MAWL for a night setup. Thanks again @TNVC_Augee Just as an FYI - I have a MAWL that’s been mounted on a 6.75” Virtus for ~1 year. It’s been through riding in my truck everyday, on my Polaris at my farm, multiple commercial flights, a helicopter hog hunt, a couple of instructor courses, multiple demos and bumping around my safe all in-between. It has yet to lose zero. I intentionally check it every few days with a Target I have setup in my shop and it’s been solid. YMMV, obviously, but it helps for me to “live what I preach” on the RTZ function of the Virtus Rails. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 1:06:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: domestique1]
[#12]
Good to know. Are you bridging the gap on the rails, or running it on just the handguard?
Thanks @Coregon. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 1:40:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: ^ That’s nasty. Picked up my SRD762-Ti yesterday (and the QDC/CQB). https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49705973561_3fa64ca06f_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49706333122_b0ee1cf7f4_k.jpg TACOPS? |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 2:28:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1: Good to know. Are you bridging the gap on the rails, or running it on just the handguard? Thanks @Coregon. 100% on HG |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2020 4:42:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049: TACOPS? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Originally Posted By cmcflex: ^ That’s nasty. Picked up my SRD762-Ti yesterday (and the QDC/CQB). https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49705973561_3fa64ca06f_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49706333122_b0ee1cf7f4_k.jpg TACOPS? Probably technically so by the components, but that’s not how I got it. I started with a Rattler pistol that I Form 1’d then picked up a Virtus upper (9” 300). l later snagged the 6.75 barrel kit and the 12” handguard. Was definitely the more expensive path, but it was the only option for black at the time. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 5:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BurtSaun1049]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: Probably technically so by the components, but that’s not how I got it. I started with a Rattler pistol that I Form 1’d then picked up a Virtus upper (9” 300). l later snagged the 6.75 barrel kit and the 12” handguard. Was definitely the more expensive path, but it was the only option for black at the time. Largely the only option for black now as well  *ETA I ordered a 762TI-10 back in January and will likely pickup a TACOPS sometime after. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2020 5:23:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Largely the only option for black now as well *ETA I ordered a 762TI-10 back in January and will likely pickup a TACOPS sometime after. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Originally Posted By cmcflex: Probably technically so by the components, but that’s not how I got it. I started with a Rattler pistol that I Form 1’d then picked up a Virtus upper (9” 300). l later snagged the 6.75 barrel kit and the 12” handguard. Was definitely the more expensive path, but it was the only option for black at the time. Largely the only option for black now as well *ETA I ordered a 762TI-10 back in January and will likely pickup a TACOPS sometime after. That’s awesome. I regret not waiting for the Ti-10 but I got a good deal on the full size and there were some uncertainties about the future of suppressor ownership in VA. Ultimately, I’d love to pick up a Legacy upper and switch over the LVAW-ish stuff there and add a Lancer—that’s about as sexy as it gets. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2020 5:39:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Just as an FYI - I have a MAWL that's been mounted on a 6.75" Virtus for ~1 year. It's been through riding in my truck everyday, on my Polaris at my farm, multiple commercial flights, a helicopter hog hunt, a couple of instructor courses, multiple demos and bumping around my safe all in-between. It has yet to lose zero. Me too on RTZ, however, there IS some side to side wobble you can induce by pulling on a sling or pushing against barricades when the laser if 100% on the handguard so I clamped the rail with the front sight to the upper and there is now no movement. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 6:38:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elucidate: Me too on RTZ, however, there IS some side to side wobble you can induce by pulling on a sling or pushing against barricades when the laser if 100% on the handguard so I clamped the rail with the front sight to the upper and there is now no movement. Good to know. I remember you mentioning the front sight clamp. The Mod Button would probably work as well, depending on switchology configuration. I'll most likely end up going MAWL, with the Unity Hot button in front of the MAWL buttons. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2020 2:37:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2020 5:32:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elucidate: Me too on RTZ, however, there IS some side to side wobble you can induce by pulling on a sling or pushing against barricades when the laser if 100% on the handguard so I clamped the rail with the front sight to the upper and there is now no movement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elucidate: Originally Posted By coregon: Just as an FYI - I have a MAWL that's been mounted on a 6.75" Virtus for ~1 year. It's been through riding in my truck everyday, on my Polaris at my farm, multiple commercial flights, a helicopter hog hunt, a couple of instructor courses, multiple demos and bumping around my safe all in-between. It has yet to lose zero. Me too on RTZ, however, there IS some side to side wobble you can induce by pulling on a sling or pushing against barricades when the laser if 100% on the handguard so I clamped the rail with the front sight to the upper and there is now no movement. On mine, you can press up on the handguard where it mates to the receiver and induce some lateral wiggling. Doesn't seem to affect the top rail whatsoever. |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 7:46:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SIASL]
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Wrong thread.
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Posted: 3/29/2020 10:39:40 PM EDT
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Just a bunch of not your everyday MCX stuff...
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Posted: 3/30/2020 8:44:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Just a bunch of not your everyday MCX stuff... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/3A1ECF75-1018-49CF-A7CF-2B460DF3D506_jpe-1341048.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/37E89432-B0A9-4CFF-B296-95F889B4E15A_jpe-1341049.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/1FCEE532-9694-454C-A02B-DF76C3ED3BB6_jpe-1341050.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/939B2EC1-1FA1-43AD-958F-334F81CC3F39_jpe-1341053.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/0259DEE9-095A-4A14-9F71-3D29EFFFE981_jpe-1341057.JPG 
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Posted: 3/30/2020 1:07:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC_Augee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Just a bunch of not your everyday MCX stuff...  You're just doing this to hurt me. I thought we were friends, dude. One day, dammit. ~Augee |
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Posted: 3/30/2020 1:11:57 PM EDT
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I don't "get" those FAST mounts. A little bit too much BeowulfX for me.
I saw someone new on the MCX Owner's group facebook page, too.  Can you post a size comparison between the Virtus and SPEAR? 
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Posted: 3/30/2020 1:18:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: I don't "get" those FAST mounts. A little bit too much BeowulfX for me. I saw someone new on the MCX Owner's group facebook page, too. Can you post a size comparison between the Virtus and SPEAR? Have you shot passively through NODS? Ever shot in a gas mask? Do lots of force on force training and using a face mask? I assume you haven't as it would suddenly click why having another inch under an RDS optic makes sense. The beowulfx thing was multiple inches with cheap magnified optics for no real benefit or theory. |
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Posted: 3/30/2020 1:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Just a bunch of not your everyday MCX stuff... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/37E89432-B0A9-4CFF-B296-95F889B4E15A_jpe-1341049.JPG Attached FileWhere can I get this rail? Does it work on a Virtus? |
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Posted: 3/30/2020 1:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: You're just doing this to hurt me. I thought we were friends, dude. One day, dammit. ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: Originally Posted By coregon: Just a bunch of not your everyday MCX stuff... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/232800/37E89432-B0A9-4CFF-B296-95F889B4E15A_jpe-1341049.JPG You're just doing this to hurt me. I thought we were friends, dude. One day, dammit. ~Augee Had to get another one, since I had the short rail, too
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Posted: 3/30/2020 1:26:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/37E89432-B0A9-4CFF-B296-95F889B4E15A_jpe-1341049.JPG Where can I get this rail? Does it work on a Virtus? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Originally Posted By coregon: Just a bunch of not your everyday MCX stuff... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/37E89432-B0A9-4CFF-B296-95F889B4E15A_jpe-1341049.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232800/37E89432-B0A9-4CFF-B296-95F889B4E15A_jpe-1341049.JPG Where can I get this rail? Does it work on a Virtus? You can't, unfortunately. No, it will not work on any commercial MCX. |
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Posted: 3/30/2020 1:32:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe: Have you shot passively through NODS? Ever shot in a gas mask? Do lots of force on force training and using a face mask? I assume you haven't as it would suddenly click why having another inch under an RDS optic makes sense. The beowulfx thing was multiple inches with cheap magnified optics for no real benefit or theory. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe: Originally Posted By JAG2955: I don't "get" those FAST mounts. A little bit too much BeowulfX for me. I saw someone new on the MCX Owner's group facebook page, too. Can you post a size comparison between the Virtus and SPEAR? Have you shot passively through NODS? Ever shot in a gas mask? Do lots of force on force training and using a face mask? I assume you haven't as it would suddenly click why having another inch under an RDS optic makes sense. The beowulfx thing was multiple inches with cheap magnified optics for no real benefit or theory. Yes, yes, and more yes. I also understand fundamentals of marksmanship, and understand that a repeatable cheekweld is desirable, and the farther up you go on your face, the more difficult it is to repeat that cheekweld, as you're on your chin. I also don't want any larger deviation than necessary to my point of aim/point of impact. So no. I don't "get" it. It's a hardware solution to a training problem. |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 3:05:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC_Augee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Yes, yes, and more yes. I also understand fundamentals of marksmanship, and understand that a repeatable cheekweld is desirable, and the farther up you go on your face, the more difficult it is to repeat that cheekweld, as you're on your chin. I also don't want any larger deviation than necessary to my point of aim/point of impact. So no. I don't "get" it. It's a hardware solution to a training problem. I've got Unity FAST mounts (2.26" optical centerline to top of rail) on an MCX (higher than standard AR height over bore) with a "Kate Moss" folder. I'm still getting a cheek weld, I'm not on my chin. Everyone's heads and faces are different, but the "chin weld" thing is played out. The "less cheek" argument vis-a-vis repeatability is counteracted by the fact that in just about every shooting position except for the prone, taller optics allow for a much more natural and comfortable head positioning on the weapon, which = more easily repeatable/less fatigue over time = more consistency. It is slightly less ideal in the prone than an absolute cowitness optic, but if you're in the prone, you probably have more time/standoff to align the shot while still retaining speed, comfort, and consistency in other positions. In practical terms the difference between "tall" optic mounts and "standard" (whether absolute cowitness or lower 1/3) is negligible and frankly beyond most ammunition and shooters' ability to hold offhand under stress--regardless, as always, shoot your offsets and learn them for yourself, not what some shareware graph tells you it should be. Pictured, dude with not enough training using a hardware solution because (in his own words) "Sergeant Major loved training in gasmasks."  (P.S., that's a 2.27" optical centerline to top of rail height - EOTech 551 1.52" + KAC 3/4" riser) If you don't like 'em, they don't work for you, or you just don't think they're necessary, then don't use 'em, no one's forcing you to. But the whole "it's a fad" and "I know how to marksmanship" thing that people have about not wanting to use them and criticizing those who do because they're so much smarter got old a long time ago. ~Augee |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 7:29:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: I've got Unity FAST mounts (2.26" optical centerline to top of rail) on an MCX (higher than standard AR height over bore) with a "Kate Moss" folder. I'm still getting a cheek weld, I'm not on my chin. Everyone's heads and faces are different, but the "chin weld" thing is played out. The "less cheek" argument vis-a-vis repeatability is counteracted by the fact that in just about every shooting position except for the prone, taller optics allow for a much more natural and comfortable head positioning on the weapon, which = more easily repeatable/less fatigue over time = more consistency. It is slightly less ideal in the prone than an absolute cowitness optic, but if you're in the prone, you probably have more time/standoff to align the shot while still retaining speed, comfort, and consistency in other positions. In practical terms the difference between "tall" optic mounts and "standard" (whether absolute cowitness or lower 1/3) is negligible and frankly beyond most ammunition and shooters' ability to hold offhand under stress--regardless, as always, shoot your offsets and learn them for yourself, not what some shareware graph tells you it should be. Pictured, dude with not enough training using a hardware solution because (in his own words) "Sergeant Major loved training in gasmasks." https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c852132/v852132082/7532d/de6d3T8UTl0.jpg (P.S., that's a 2.27" optical centerline to top of rail height - EOTech 551 1.52" + KAC 3/4" riser) If you don't like 'em, they don't work for you, or you just don't think they're necessary, then don't use 'em, no one's forcing you to. But the whole "it's a fad" and "I know how to marksmanship" thing that people have about not wanting to use them and criticizing those who do because they're so much smarter got old a long time ago. ~Augee But since mUh MaRkSmAnShIp fundamentals aren't a thing, whatever. There's a reason that adjustable cheek pads are desired in many cases. Look at the ARX-100, and how many people have built or bought cheek risers for it. No one wants a "neutral head position" on over watch for hours at a time. I'm far from a fucking boomer, but just like I said, I don't get it. I can get my face down low enough wearing a gas mask, mask for sims, or NVGs. And I have a huge fucking head. Like XL kevlar size. I still firmly believe that the "neutral head position" thing is a just marketing. I've had hours and days at a shot behind 249s, 240s, M4/16, and I've never once said "man, my neck hurts." |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 9:17:02 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Maybe my head's a funny shape. I thought my lower 1/3 cowitness T-1 was waaay too high on my MPX due to the immediate drop of the brace off the lower receiver. I don't even like piggybacked RMRs. But since mUh MaRkSmAnShIp fundamentals aren't a thing, whatever. There's a reason that adjustable cheek pads are desired in many cases. Look at the ARX-100, and how many people have built or bought cheek risers for it. No one wants a "neutral head position" on over watch for hours at a time. I'm far from a fucking boomer, but just like I said, I don't get it. I can get my face down low enough wearing a gas mask, mask for sims, or NVGs. And I have a huge fucking head. Like XL kevlar size. I still firmly believe that the "neutral head position" thing is a just marketing. I've had hours and days at a shot behind 249s, 240s, M4/16, and I've never once said "man, my neck hurts." |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 9:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: I've got Unity FAST mounts (2.26" optical centerline to top of rail) on an MCX (higher than standard AR height over bore) with a "Kate Moss" folder. I'm still getting a cheek weld, I'm not on my chin. Everyone's heads and faces are different, but the "chin weld" thing is played out. The "less cheek" argument vis-a-vis repeatability is counteracted by the fact that in just about every shooting position except for the prone, taller optics allow for a much more natural and comfortable head positioning on the weapon, which = more easily repeatable/less fatigue over time = more consistency. It is slightly less ideal in the prone than an absolute cowitness optic, but if you're in the prone, you probably have more time/standoff to align the shot while still retaining speed, comfort, and consistency in other positions. In practical terms the difference between "tall" optic mounts and "standard" (whether absolute cowitness or lower 1/3) is negligible and frankly beyond most ammunition and shooters' ability to hold offhand under stress--regardless, as always, shoot your offsets and learn them for yourself, not what some shareware graph tells you it should be. Pictured, dude with not enough training using a hardware solution because (in his own words) "Sergeant Major loved training in gasmasks." https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c852132/v852132082/7532d/de6d3T8UTl0.jpg (P.S., that's a 2.27" optical centerline to top of rail height - EOTech 551 1.52" + KAC 3/4" riser) If you don't like 'em, they don't work for you, or you just don't think they're necessary, then don't use 'em, no one's forcing you to. But the whole "it's a fad" and "I know how to marksmanship" thing that people have about not wanting to use them and criticizing those who do because they're so much smarter got old a long time ago. ~Augee @TNVC_Augee Nice Photo.... Have you watched Jamey's NV DVDs? I'm not really a Panteao fan (seeing how they dicked over Paul Howe and others), but I am curious if the second DVD had any useful info for a NV newbie. |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 11:14:07 PM EDT
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@JAG2955
You don’t have to like or use them if it’s necessary or simply not applicable to you. What’s tiresome is the “you must be a fad chaser who doesn’t train enough” attitude from the folks who don’t or won’t “get” it, as you say. If you don’t feel the need for it, don’t use one, no one’s going to drag you for it. You can call it marketing or a fad all you want, as if it was some concept that was cooked up in the last year or two to sell shiny new mounts, but it’s been around for years, it’s just been recently that manufacturers have started taking notice and making purpose-built mounts for it, instead of guys stacking rings and risers, etc. ~Augee |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 11:16:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC_Augee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1: @TNVC_Augee Nice Photo.... Have you watched Jamey's NV DVDs? I'm not really a Panteao fan (seeing how they dicked over Paul Howe and others), but I am curious if the second DVD had any useful info for a NV newbie. Obviously it aint mine, it was just the first really clear one I could pull up with a quick search, but photographs of similar setups aren't uncommon, hahaha. I haven't seen the DVDs, so I can't really comment on them, but I've trained with him--good, knowledgeable guy with a lot of good experience. Incidentally, I just sent him a FAST mount the other day to try out. ~Augee |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 11:21:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: domestique1]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: Obviously it aint mine, it was just the first really clear one I could pull up with a quick search, but photographs of similar setups aren't uncommon, hahaha. I haven't seen the DVDs, so I can't really comment on them, but I've trained with him--good, knowledgeable guy with a lot of good experience. Incidentally, I just sent him a FAST mount the other day to try out. ~Augee Being that he's a Ball/Detent user.... I'm not surprised! Gotcha. I follow him on Instagram and read that he was finally getting a FAST mount... previously he stated he didn't see the need, and it was too tall..... but I don't think he realized that the Wilcox riser he helped design and the FAST mount were very similar in height. |
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Posted: 4/2/2020 10:58:14 PM EDT
[#39]
if anyone has a gen1 mpx upper for sale dm me
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Posted: 4/6/2020 8:17:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: I've got Unity FAST mounts (2.26" optical centerline to top of rail) on an MCX (higher than standard AR height over bore) with a "Kate Moss" folder. I'm still getting a cheek weld, I'm not on my chin. Everyone's heads and faces are different, but the "chin weld" thing is played out. The "less cheek" argument vis-a-vis repeatability is counteracted by the fact that in just about every shooting position except for the prone, taller optics allow for a much more natural and comfortable head positioning on the weapon, which = more easily repeatable/less fatigue over time = more consistency. It is slightly less ideal in the prone than an absolute cowitness optic, but if you're in the prone, you probably have more time/standoff to align the shot while still retaining speed, comfort, and consistency in other positions. In practical terms the difference between "tall" optic mounts and "standard" (whether absolute cowitness or lower 1/3) is negligible and frankly beyond most ammunition and shooters' ability to hold offhand under stress--regardless, as always, shoot your offsets and learn them for yourself, not what some shareware graph tells you it should be. Pictured, dude with not enough training using a hardware solution because (in his own words) "Sergeant Major loved training in gasmasks." https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c852132/v852132082/7532d/de6d3T8UTl0.jpg (P.S., that's a 2.27" optical centerline to top of rail height - EOTech 551 1.52" + KAC 3/4" riser) If you don't like 'em, they don't work for you, or you just don't think they're necessary, then don't use 'em, no one's forcing you to. But the whole "it's a fad" and "I know how to marksmanship" thing that people have about not wanting to use them and criticizing those who do because they're so much smarter got old a long time ago. ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNVC_Augee: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Yes, yes, and more yes. I also understand fundamentals of marksmanship, and understand that a repeatable cheekweld is desirable, and the farther up you go on your face, the more difficult it is to repeat that cheekweld, as you're on your chin. I also don't want any larger deviation than necessary to my point of aim/point of impact. So no. I don't "get" it. It's a hardware solution to a training problem. I've got Unity FAST mounts (2.26" optical centerline to top of rail) on an MCX (higher than standard AR height over bore) with a "Kate Moss" folder. I'm still getting a cheek weld, I'm not on my chin. Everyone's heads and faces are different, but the "chin weld" thing is played out. The "less cheek" argument vis-a-vis repeatability is counteracted by the fact that in just about every shooting position except for the prone, taller optics allow for a much more natural and comfortable head positioning on the weapon, which = more easily repeatable/less fatigue over time = more consistency. It is slightly less ideal in the prone than an absolute cowitness optic, but if you're in the prone, you probably have more time/standoff to align the shot while still retaining speed, comfort, and consistency in other positions. In practical terms the difference between "tall" optic mounts and "standard" (whether absolute cowitness or lower 1/3) is negligible and frankly beyond most ammunition and shooters' ability to hold offhand under stress--regardless, as always, shoot your offsets and learn them for yourself, not what some shareware graph tells you it should be. Pictured, dude with not enough training using a hardware solution because (in his own words) "Sergeant Major loved training in gasmasks." https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c852132/v852132082/7532d/de6d3T8UTl0.jpg (P.S., that's a 2.27" optical centerline to top of rail height - EOTech 551 1.52" + KAC 3/4" riser) If you don't like 'em, they don't work for you, or you just don't think they're necessary, then don't use 'em, no one's forcing you to. But the whole "it's a fad" and "I know how to marksmanship" thing that people have about not wanting to use them and criticizing those who do because they're so much smarter got old a long time ago. ~Augee Oh Snap! |
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Posted: 4/12/2020 9:21:40 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrPlayer: Oh Snap! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrPlayer: Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Yes, yes, and more yes. I also understand fundamentals of marksmanship, and understand that a repeatable cheekweld is desirable, and the farther up you go on your face, the more difficult it is to repeat that cheekweld, as you're on your chin. I also don't want any larger deviation than necessary to my point of aim/point of impact. So no. I don't "get" it. It's a hardware solution to a training problem. I've got Unity FAST mounts (2.26" optical centerline to top of rail) on an MCX (higher than standard AR height over bore) with a "Kate Moss" folder. I'm still getting a cheek weld, I'm not on my chin. Everyone's heads and faces are different, but the "chin weld" thing is played out. The "less cheek" argument vis-a-vis repeatability is counteracted by the fact that in just about every shooting position except for the prone, taller optics allow for a much more natural and comfortable head positioning on the weapon, which = more easily repeatable/less fatigue over time = more consistency. It is slightly less ideal in the prone than an absolute cowitness optic, but if you're in the prone, you probably have more time/standoff to align the shot while still retaining speed, comfort, and consistency in other positions. In practical terms the difference between "tall" optic mounts and "standard" (whether absolute cowitness or lower 1/3) is negligible and frankly beyond most ammunition and shooters' ability to hold offhand under stress--regardless, as always, shoot your offsets and learn them for yourself, not what some shareware graph tells you it should be. Pictured, dude with not enough training using a hardware solution because (in his own words) "Sergeant Major loved training in gasmasks." https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c852132/v852132082/7532d/de6d3T8UTl0.jpg (P.S., that's a 2.27" optical centerline to top of rail height - EOTech 551 1.52" + KAC 3/4" riser) If you don't like 'em, they don't work for you, or you just don't think they're necessary, then don't use 'em, no one's forcing you to. But the whole "it's a fad" and "I know how to marksmanship" thing that people have about not wanting to use them and criticizing those who do because they're so much smarter got old a long time ago. ~Augee Oh Snap! Me: Looking over at old EOTech 552 laying around.... Great. Now I need to go buy a KAC .75 riser :) |
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Posted: 4/14/2020 1:32:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2020 1:37:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2020 1:07:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SIASL]
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Originally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By Mecha_Loopy: Originally Posted By SIASL: TacOps with 9” barrel and TR25. Just throwing ideas around - set at max power and use a ring mounted RMR/SRO for 1x + NV use? The ring mounted RDS would keep it at a good height for NV (quick check) and the x-power for possibilities? Plan on a SF Warcomp and Warden in the near future. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384478/7675F506-D6E7-49E4-98BE-00B581B20804-1332986.jpg Will the Warcomp + Warden clear the end of the handguard? I believe so. If I figured correctly it should play peek-a-boo at the very end. So this is the end result with the 12” handguard -  ETA: Basically, a flush fit. |
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Posted: 4/20/2020 1:13:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2020 11:08:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2020 9:59:51 PM EDT
[#47]
Does Midwest make a FDE Handguard for the MCX?
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Posted: 4/26/2020 10:26:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tacticool_Duck: Does Midwest make a FDE Handguard for the MCX? No. |
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Posted: 4/26/2020 12:39:12 PM EDT
[#49]
 Attached FileUntil tax stamp comes back. Gotta decide on what handguard to run, thinking the Sig SD 10in. |
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Posted: 4/26/2020 12:55:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tacticool_Duck: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/450250/5E785F19-1E9B-4AF5-B32B-14807549A849_jpe-1387362.JPG Until tax stamp comes back. Gotta decide on what handguard to run, thinking the Sig SD 10in. Looks great. Nice gun. |
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