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Posted: 10/11/2017 8:24:56 AM EDT
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two articles from TFB
Official details Minor update in details I haven't seen anything on pricing but they seem to be sticking to the Jan '18 release date. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 7:09:44 AM EDT
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Had one out being shown off at the AUSA convention in DC.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/10/10/7-62-tavor-7-iwi-usa-display-ausa-2017/ |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 7:23:20 PM EDT
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Has anyone seen a MSRP projection?
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Posted: 10/14/2017 11:13:03 PM EDT
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Has anyone seen a MSRP projection? |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 11:24:28 PM EDT
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Has anyone seen a MSRP projection? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 10:14:46 AM EDT
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 IWI TAVOR 7 Assault Rifle 7.62X51mm |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 1:34:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2017 3:44:37 PM EDT
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Is it just me or does that barrel seem to be whipping a fucking lot when firing? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 7:08:40 PM EDT
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The judge from PA gives them an 8.0 for synchronized sand diving.
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Posted: 11/2/2017 7:28:29 PM EDT
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Is it just me or does that barrel seem to be whipping a fucking lot when firing? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 7:43:24 PM EDT
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The judge from PA gives them an 8.0 for synchronized sand diving. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 7:44:17 PM EDT
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I was thinking the same thing. The x95 flops around a good bit and gets 2moa +. Cant imagine it being any better The Tavor 7 will have a free-floating barrel. And I often get 1.5 MOA with my (non-free floating) Tavor, so this could potentially be pretty good. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:18:33 PM EDT
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They evidently hired professional soldiers for the video. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 9:04:46 PM EDT
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Has it been confirmed free-float?
And is that an adjustable gas system I spy? I hope that helps cut down on the gas in face with suppressors. Supposedly the X95 in .300blk they got right, maybe this will be the same. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 9:36:39 PM EDT
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Hmm...ones that waited until they were in the field before configuring their rifles and loading their mags... They're apparently more professional than DT's robot soldier ad. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 10:03:30 PM EDT
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Why the hate? They're apparently more professional than DT's robot soldier ad. Just my opinion. And yes, I thought the DT ads were just as moronic as this one. And don't get me started with them posting pictures of some kid shooting the MDR and making a big deal of it when the rest of us are still waiting. Optics, always optics. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:36:22 PM EDT
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No hate, just mild amusement and disgust. At least DT sent their actors into the field ready for "combat" and didn't have them practice synchronized maneuvers that make them look like a bunch of wannabe airsoft rangers. IWI bills itself as a military arms company, the same company that provides weapons to the Israeli military...you'd think they'd at least try and keep the ad from looking like it was scripted by someone who has played COD and never saw reality. Just my opinion. And yes, I thought the DT ads were just as moronic as this one. And don't get me started with them posting pictures of some kid shooting the MDR and making a big deal of it when the rest of us are still waiting. Optics, always optics. True, the ad is scripted and cheesy (plus dramatic music and cheesy editing), but the people they hired for it are soldiers - the fact they can dive into prone position is what gives it away. Towards the end of the Negev advert they even dive into a puddle, which I know will make your day  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpk-OHMVtlk
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:01:19 AM EDT
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And yes, I thought the DT ads were just as moronic as this one. And don't get me started with them posting pictures of some kid shooting the MDR and making a big deal of it when the rest of us are still waiting. Optics, always optics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWkN_3lU64
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Posted: 11/3/2017 12:09:20 AM EDT
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Is it just me or does that barrel seem to be whipping a fucking lot when firing? |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 9:39:41 AM EDT
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So much hate on the sill guy in the video I only see a 308 Tavor and want!!!
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Posted: 11/3/2017 10:22:44 AM EDT
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I hope msrp is $2000
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Posted: 11/3/2017 11:39:44 AM EDT
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And yes, I thought the DT ads were just as moronic as this one. And don't get me started with them posting pictures of some kid shooting the MDR and making a big deal of it when the rest of us are still waiting. Optics, always optics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWkN_3lU64 |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 6:52:32 PM EDT
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It'll be selling on Atlantic (after the first several months or so) for $1799 or $1749 - I guarantee it. All the Tavor variants seem to be that price on Atlantic.
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Posted: 11/4/2017 10:23:11 PM EDT
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Verdy interlesting...
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Posted: 11/5/2017 1:27:53 AM EDT
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I hope msrp is $2000 |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 3:47:48 AM EDT
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No hate, just mild amusement and disgust. At least DT sent their actors into the field ready for "combat" and didn't have them practice synchronized maneuvers that make them look like a bunch of wannabe airsoft rangers. IWI bills itself as a military arms company, the same company that provides weapons to the Israeli military...you'd think they'd at least try and keep the ad from looking like it was scripted by someone who has played COD and never saw reality. Just my opinion. And yes, I thought the DT ads were just as moronic as this one. And don't get me started with them posting pictures of some kid shooting the MDR and making a big deal of it when the rest of us are still waiting. Optics, always optics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hate? They're apparently more professional than DT's robot soldier ad. Just my opinion. And yes, I thought the DT ads were just as moronic as this one. And don't get me started with them posting pictures of some kid shooting the MDR and making a big deal of it when the rest of us are still waiting. Optics, always optics. Meanwhile, DT doesn't hold up to internet commandos and range rangers, and either can't make feed system parts and covers, or can't pay the vendors that do make them for them. So far as accuracy, the specs for the Israeli combat rifle proposal was for 4moa or less, and reliability was a much more important standard. The guns met all requirements as designed. A Tavor with a good trigger and match ammo, especially hand loaded ammo , will shoot 1moa. They are picky about what they shoot well, but when you find what they like, they shoot well. The .308 cal Tavor, being that it will be used in the DM role, and will be geared towards civilian consumption, will have a heavier emphasis on accuracy, so you will see that. IWI builds an extremely accurate sniper rifle for the Israeli mil, and can build accurate rifles. IWI will actually deliver rifles to customers, DT hasn't been able to, and after several years of pushing back release dates, they have yet to release more than a handful, and Friday, issued another " two more weeks suckers" statement with more excuses. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 12:30:30 PM EDT
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They don't "BILL" themselves as suppliers to the Israeli military, they are the supplier of the Israeli combat rifle. Israel, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Cameroon, Brazil, Senegal, Chad, Chile, Columbia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Cyprus, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Ivory Coast, Macedonia, Mexico, Mongolia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Rwanda, Thailand, Turkey and Vietnam all issue Tavors to front line or SF troops. Several LEO agencies in the US also adopted them. Meanwhile, DT doesn't hold up to internet commandos and range rangers, and either can't make feed system parts and covers, or can't pay the vendors that do make them for them. So far as accuracy, the specs for the Israeli combat rifle proposal was for 4moa or less, and reliability was a much more important standard. The guns met all requirements as designed. A Tavor with a good trigger and match ammo, especially hand loaded ammo , will shoot 1moa. They are picky about what they shoot well, but when you find what they like, they shoot well. The .308 cal Tavor, being that it will be used in the DM role, and will be geared towards civilian consumption, will have a heavier emphasis on accuracy, so you will see that. IWI builds an extremely accurate sniper rifle for the Israeli mil, and can build accurate rifles. IWI will actually deliver rifles to customers, DT hasn't been able to, and after several years of pushing back release dates, they have yet to release more than a handful, and Friday, issued another " two more weeks suckers" statement with more excuses. Desert Tech is a small, little-known, family workshop company, that's never made a semi-automatic before, and seems to rely on using customers' pre-order money to fund its products. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 5:31:12 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if the free-float changes will make it over to newer production X95s?
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Posted: 11/5/2017 9:26:06 PM EDT
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They don't "BILL" themselves as suppliers to the Israeli military, they are the supplier of the Israeli combat rifle. Israel, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Cameroon, Brazil, Senegal, Chad, Chile, Columbia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Cyprus, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Ivory Coast, Macedonia, Mexico, Mongolia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Rwanda, Thailand, Turkey and Vietnam all issue Tavors to front line or SF troops. Several LEO agencies in the US also adopted them. Meanwhile, DT doesn't hold up to internet commandos and range rangers, and either can't make feed system parts and covers, or can't pay the vendors that do make them for them. So far as accuracy, the specs for the Israeli combat rifle proposal was for 4moa or less, and reliability was a much more important standard. The guns met all requirements as designed. A Tavor with a good trigger and match ammo, especially hand loaded ammo , will shoot 1moa. They are picky about what they shoot well, but when you find what they like, they shoot well. The .308 cal Tavor, being that it will be used in the DM role, and will be geared towards civilian consumption, will have a heavier emphasis on accuracy, so you will see that. IWI builds an extremely accurate sniper rifle for the Israeli mil, and can build accurate rifles. IWI will actually deliver rifles to customers, DT hasn't been able to, and after several years of pushing back release dates, they have yet to release more than a handful, and Friday, issued another " two more weeks suckers" statement with more excuses. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 10:27:12 PM EDT
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And people call *me* a fanboy for DT... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't "BILL" themselves as suppliers to the Israeli military, they are the supplier of the Israeli combat rifle. Israel, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Cameroon, Brazil, Senegal, Chad, Chile, Columbia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Cyprus, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Ivory Coast, Macedonia, Mexico, Mongolia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Rwanda, Thailand, Turkey and Vietnam all issue Tavors to front line or SF troops. Several LEO agencies in the US also adopted them. Meanwhile, DT doesn't hold up to internet commandos and range rangers, and either can't make feed system parts and covers, or can't pay the vendors that do make them for them. So far as accuracy, the specs for the Israeli combat rifle proposal was for 4moa or less, and reliability was a much more important standard. The guns met all requirements as designed. A Tavor with a good trigger and match ammo, especially hand loaded ammo , will shoot 1moa. They are picky about what they shoot well, but when you find what they like, they shoot well. The .308 cal Tavor, being that it will be used in the DM role, and will be geared towards civilian consumption, will have a heavier emphasis on accuracy, so you will see that. IWI builds an extremely accurate sniper rifle for the Israeli mil, and can build accurate rifles. IWI will actually deliver rifles to customers, DT hasn't been able to, and after several years of pushing back release dates, they have yet to release more than a handful, and Friday, issued another " two more weeks suckers" statement with more excuses. I cannot prove it, but my educated guess is that they've used the preorder money to finance the development of the guns. That's the only explanation for the failure of delivering a reliable gun on schedule. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 10:29:38 PM EDT
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And people call *me* a fanboy for DT... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't "BILL" themselves as suppliers to the Israeli military, they are the supplier of the Israeli combat rifle. Israel, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Cameroon, Brazil, Senegal, Chad, Chile, Columbia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Cyprus, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Ivory Coast, Macedonia, Mexico, Mongolia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Rwanda, Thailand, Turkey and Vietnam all issue Tavors to front line or SF troops. Several LEO agencies in the US also adopted them. Meanwhile, DT doesn't hold up to internet commandos and range rangers, and either can't make feed system parts and covers, or can't pay the vendors that do make them for them. So far as accuracy, the specs for the Israeli combat rifle proposal was for 4moa or less, and reliability was a much more important standard. The guns met all requirements as designed. A Tavor with a good trigger and match ammo, especially hand loaded ammo , will shoot 1moa. They are picky about what they shoot well, but when you find what they like, they shoot well. The .308 cal Tavor, being that it will be used in the DM role, and will be geared towards civilian consumption, will have a heavier emphasis on accuracy, so you will see that. IWI builds an extremely accurate sniper rifle for the Israeli mil, and can build accurate rifles. IWI will actually deliver rifles to customers, DT hasn't been able to, and after several years of pushing back release dates, they have yet to release more than a handful, and Friday, issued another " two more weeks suckers" statement with more excuses. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 2:45:06 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if the free-float changes will make it over to newer production X95s? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 2:53:55 PM EDT
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And people call *me* a fanboy for DT... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't "BILL" themselves as suppliers to the Israeli military, they are the supplier of the Israeli combat rifle. Israel, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Cameroon, Brazil, Senegal, Chad, Chile, Columbia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Cyprus, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Ivory Coast, Macedonia, Mexico, Mongolia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Rwanda, Thailand, Turkey and Vietnam all issue Tavors to front line or SF troops. Several LEO agencies in the US also adopted them. Meanwhile, DT doesn't hold up to internet commandos and range rangers, and either can't make feed system parts and covers, or can't pay the vendors that do make them for them. So far as accuracy, the specs for the Israeli combat rifle proposal was for 4moa or less, and reliability was a much more important standard. The guns met all requirements as designed. A Tavor with a good trigger and match ammo, especially hand loaded ammo , will shoot 1moa. They are picky about what they shoot well, but when you find what they like, they shoot well. The .308 cal Tavor, being that it will be used in the DM role, and will be geared towards civilian consumption, will have a heavier emphasis on accuracy, so you will see that. IWI builds an extremely accurate sniper rifle for the Israeli mil, and can build accurate rifles. IWI will actually deliver rifles to customers, DT hasn't been able to, and after several years of pushing back release dates, they have yet to release more than a handful, and Friday, issued another " two more weeks suckers" statement with more excuses. PS: the commercial was silly COD type marketing but that’s probably a lot of the tactical rifle market just look at all the dumbass “tactical” shit that sells now a days. May not be my cup of tea and I think synchronized dirt belly flops are silly but if it increases their sales it’s not stupid. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 1:24:22 AM EDT
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What did he say that was wrong? |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 1:47:05 AM EDT
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Once he finally got around to discussing the Tavor 7, it became hopeful speculation as we have seen nothing but promo materials for the rifle. To claim that it will do something when the previous versions of the Tavor have shown they can't achieve that level of accuracy is...hopeful. At least the accuracy claims DT made of ~1MOA have been shown to be accurate. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/10/jeremy-s/desert-tech-mdr-gun-review/ Although that's not a production gun, and they might improve when it comes out and they finish beta-testing. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 9:27:05 PM EDT
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At the moment the groups from the MDR look similar to what I usually get with my SAR - 1.5 to 2 MOA. And the Aug is at least as good: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/10/jeremy-s/desert-tech-mdr-gun-review/ Although that's not a production gun, and they might improve when it comes out and they finish beta-testing. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 10:26:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/8/2017 12:14:51 PM EDT
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And others have posted groups about 1MOA. Either way, it makes the X95, which is the most recent IWI offering, look horrible. Not really. There have been some fake claims by Desert Tech's marketing team on social media. But that is the only actual review that has been posted so far (albeit on a non-production version of the rifle) and it gets very similar groups to what I get with my SAR. So as it is, the MDR is not more accurate than the rest of the bullpups on the market. I've yet to see anyone give a valid reason why you would pay more for the MDR (beyond the fact it's in 7.62), when its specifications do not appear to be any better than all the other bullpups in the market. And all the other bullpups on the market, don't have the lack of quality control and other function problems the MDR has. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:09:49 PM EDT
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Not really. There have been some fake claims by Desert Tech's marketing team on social media. But that is the only actual review that has been posted so far (albeit on a non-production version of the rifle) and it gets very similar groups to what I get with my SAR. So as it is, the MDR is not more accurate than the rest of the bullpups on the market. I've yet to see anyone give a valid reason why you would pay more for the MDR (beyond the fact it's in 7.62), when its specifications do not appear to be any better than all the other bullpups in the market. And all the other bullpups on the market, don't have the lack of quality control and other function problems the MDR has. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 10:07:19 PM EDT
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I think his skepticism is warranted and im quite fond of my tavors. It's kind of silly to call out how accurate a new design will be when all we have are ads. Since it's free floated I think that will give it a better chance of performing better as that's a limiting factor on military style rifles (especially thin barrel profiled ones like the tavors) since until very recently most militaries gave 0 shits about free floating the barrel as they could get acceptable combat accuracy without it. But there is more to accuracy than that and while it looks similar to the earlier tavors if im not mistaken nearly everything about its internals is different I seem to remember people saying adjustable short stroke piston which is different than the long stroke non adjustable system of the prior systems. Im sure it will be functional the question is will it be the precision rifle that some people are yearning for, or more of a military 7.62 battle rifle. Unless im mistaken it's too early to tell. Now if IWI started saying this was designed to replace the old galatz or that it was competing for DMR contracts with nation x y or z then I think we could make more assumptions about its intended accuracy level. While I think its neat unless its a precision rifle and they plan to offer it in calibers other than 7.62 I wont be adding one to the stable to sit next to my other 2 hebrew battle princesses
 . As 5.56 is more economical to plink with, lighter, and I already have a ptr91 or a mas 36 to shoot when I feel the rare urge to play with a military .30 cal.
Now if he put that same level of skepticism towards a certain other company... 
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Posted: 11/29/2017 12:07:06 PM EDT
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It'll be selling on Atlantic (after the first several months or so) for $1799 or $1749 - I guarantee it. All the Tavor variants seem to be that price on Atlantic. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 1:01:51 AM EDT
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I just looked up dealer pricing on the 7.62 and its $100 more than the 5.56 x95.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 11:56:14 AM EDT
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If the 7.62 Tavor 7 hits the streets at roughly $100 more than X95 they’ll sell a boat load of those bullpups!
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Posted: 12/3/2017 12:25:54 PM EDT
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If the 7.62 Tavor 7 hits the streets at roughly $100 more than X95 they’ll sell a boat load of those bullpups! |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 7:46:22 PM EDT
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Also, while looking up pricing, I noticed they had one in 12ga listed. It has since been taken down off the distributors site.
I think the model name was TS12. Wish I could find it again. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:26:58 PM EDT
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Also, while looking up pricing, I noticed they had one in 12ga listed. It has since been taken down off the distributors site. I think the model name was TS12. Wish I could find it again. Pretty detailed in there. 18.5” barrel, 15 rounds, accepts Beretta chokes? That ain’t just a glitch in the Matrix. Unannounced product for 2018? Must have posted a bunch of stuff to their database. RSR Tavor 7 X95 SBR |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:34:46 PM EDT
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Wow a 12ga bullpup with 15rd mags - unless they are double stack those mags will be looong. Either way gigantic magazines.
As a Saiga 12 & Vepr 12 fanboy I am looking forward to seeing what this is. Need to see a picture. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 11:10:16 PM EDT
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Wow a 12ga bullpup with 15rd mags - unless they are double stack those mags will be looong. Either way gigantic magazines. As a Saiga 12 & Vepr 12 fanboy I am looking forward to seeing what this is. Need to see a picture.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 11:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RSR entry Pretty detailed in there. 18.5" barrel, 15 rounds, accepts Beretta chokes? That ain't just a glitch in the Matrix. Unannounced product for 2018? Must have posted a bunch of stuff to their database. RSR Tavor 7 X95 SBR |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 12:10:42 AM EDT
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https://youtu.be/lnmnHJ_nIWE?t=555
Video from the Defense and Security Thailand 2017 Bangkok international military and defense industry Day 4. The Israeli rep is at 9:15 explaining the Tavor 7. Interesting thing is it can be changed between left and right hand ejection in the field without a different bolt. The charging handle and ejection port cover is the same. The gas regulator includes a setting for suppressed firing and an "off" setting. |
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