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Posted: 9/11/2017 1:55:15 PM EDT
Pour out a 40, stick a fork in it, whatever your favorite euphemism is. IWI US is ending production of the original Tavor SAR.
http://lauraburgess.com/iwi-us-phase-original-tavor-sar/ Harrisburg, Pa. (September 2017) – IWI US, Inc., a subsidiary of Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) Ltd., announced today that they will be phasing out the original TAVOR® SAR from their product line.
The TAVOR SAR revolutionized the market for bullpup carbines in the US when it was first introduced in 2013. When the “next generation” TAVOR® X95™ was released in 2016, sales of the original SAR declined as consumers willingly embraced the improvements and upgrades in the X95. “The market has spoken and it prefers the TAVOR X95”, said Michael Kassnar, VP of Sales & Marketing for IWI US. “We will phase out TAVOR SAR production over the next few months and concentrate on our X95, along with our recently announced TAVOR 7, for the future.” I liked the SAR better than the X95.  But I guess I have one, so oh well. Tavor 7, here we come! 
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:11:27 PM EDT
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I liked the SAR better than the X95. But I guess I have one, so oh well. Tavor 7, here we come! Seriously - Why? The X95 is an improvement in every measurable way. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:22:52 PM EDT
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Seriously - Why? The X95 is an improvement in every measurable way. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:29:33 PM EDT
[#3]
I prefer MY SAR over the X95 any day. I just got off the phone with IWI US and support will still be continuing for the SAR.
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:40:00 PM EDT
[#4]
I realize that ugly is as ugly does in the bullpup realm, but the X95 makes Kel-tec products and the FS2000 look good.
More seriously, I prefer the up-front location of the charging handle and the original ergos. The magazine release was a side-grade, I'm used to the FS2000 mag release so the SAR is pretty similar. I do have an X95 hammerpack in my SAR. The initial teething accuracy issues put me off too, though it looks like those got better with time. I'm just an IT nerd though, without real-world angry-people-shooting-at-me experience. I do like the hybrid design of the 7, which seems to integrate the best of both worlds. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:48:16 PM EDT
[#5]
Were the rumors of the X95 being a step backwards in the accuracy department true?
Would definitely get a X95 in OD green, otherwise. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 3:54:34 PM EDT
[#6]
I wonder what kind of deal I can find these for at CDNN
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Posted: 9/11/2017 4:37:09 PM EDT
[#7]
Original Tavor in 5.56.
X95 in 9mm. I like 'em both, but the Original was a little more fun mod-ing with an integral light and hand guard. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 5:02:16 PM EDT
[#8]
In my hands the X95 always felt better also. The AUG feels the best of any of them however.
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Posted: 9/11/2017 6:13:02 PM EDT
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Seriously - Why? The X95 is an improvement in every measurable way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked the SAR better than the X95. But I guess I have one, so oh well. Tavor 7, here we come! Seriously - Why? The X95 is an improvement in every measurable way. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 7:26:57 PM EDT
[#10]
X95 too ugly to buy over the SAR (add I have a FS2000).
Also too bastardized as a 16" rifle. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 7:32:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/11/2017 8:05:33 PM EDT
[#12]
I prefer the SAR because of the bayonet lug.
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Posted: 9/11/2017 9:27:42 PM EDT
[#13]
SAR works for me....
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Posted: 9/11/2017 9:28:29 PM EDT
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I prefer the SAR because of the bayonet lug. Damn the X95 is hideous! |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 11:44:24 PM EDT
[#15]
Welp, there is another one to buy if you have the money. It'll be like the fs2000 in a few years.
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Posted: 9/12/2017 2:28:58 AM EDT
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I prefer the SAR because of the bayonet lug. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 12:08:10 PM EDT
[#17]
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I prefer MY SAR over the X95 any day. I just got off the phone with IWI US and support will still be continuing for the SAR. 
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Posted: 9/12/2017 12:17:19 PM EDT
[#18]
  Whoa, didn't realize it was shipping - credit card getting warm.... |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 1:32:22 PM EDT
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I prefer the SAR because of the bayonet lug. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:41:15 PM EDT
[#20]
I had a Tavor SAR and hated it. No big loss.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 11:53:49 PM EDT
[#21]
Both my SAR and X95 had poor accuracy the X95 being the worst of the two. I heard the newer X95s don't have this problem. Out of the two I definitely think the X95 is the better of the two in especially in other aspects if they have the accuracy issues worked out.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 8:34:19 AM EDT
[#22]
Does that mean it'll get stupid expensive if I wanted to get one here soon?
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Posted: 9/14/2017 10:09:43 AM EDT
[#23]
I had horrible accuracy too with my tavor sar
I was about to dump it when I figured I'd try working up Different loads for it Even though it's a 1-7 barrel, I found it shoots 53 and 55 grain Vmax wonderfully - go figure. Glad I didn't sell it 
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Posted: 9/16/2017 9:27:39 PM EDT
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Maybe IWI could be convinced to use the obsolete SAR as a basis for a pump action rifle, for those of us trapped in ban states?
I know it won't happen, but a guy has to have dreams! 
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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:26:00 AM EDT
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I had horrible accuracy too with my tavor sar I was about to dump it when I figured I'd try working up Different loads for it Even though it's a 1-7 barrel, I found it shoots 53 and 55 grain Vmax wonderfully - go figure. Glad I didn't sell it |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 1:27:49 PM EDT
[#26]
I waited forever to buy the Tavor & 2 months after I did the X-95 came out. The X-95 has everything I was looking for & wanted. I've been considering selling my FDE Tavor but now wonder if I should keep it?
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:47:46 PM EDT
[#27]
I prefer the SAR over the X95 as well, sadly I don't have one right now, and can't buy right now either.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:48:03 PM EDT
[#28]
I prefer the SAR over the X95 as well, sadly I don't have one right now, and can't buy right now either.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:56:14 PM EDT
[#29]
I have both an X95 (.300 blk) and a Tavor SAR and I find myself so used to the SAR controls, I constantly mess up the mag changes with the X95
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:10:47 PM EDT
[#30]
meh... I was unimpressed with the SAR. It felt like something that came out on the market at the same time as the AUG. To release a bullpup nearly 30 years after the AUG and have a substantially worse trigger than the borderline awful AUG trigger is pretty impressive. And worse blowback with a can too.
Good luck on it becoming a collector item, they sold a lot of them in a short time. At least 10x if not 20x of FS2000. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:13:07 PM EDT
[#31]
I've been wondering when this would happen. I imagine they will phase them out for the military market to. I much prefer the looks of the SAR, but I can see it being hard to supply both. Outside of collectors I can't imagine many who will buy a SAR over an X95 these days. Maybe they'll do a small run every few years for the collector types.
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Posted: 9/30/2017 1:47:14 PM EDT
[#32]
I prefer the looks of the SAR and I like the mag release location, glad I have mine.
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Posted: 10/8/2017 12:39:13 PM EDT
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This. It would have cost me the same to upgrade mine as sell it to buy an X95, so I upgraded mine. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/image-207374.jpg I totally need that damn MI forend.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:53:57 PM EDT
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Well scheiße... there goes another charge on the secret credit card. I totally need that damn MI forend. 
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Posted: 10/11/2017 10:48:47 PM EDT
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You also need to catch the X95 trigger on special from IWI, and the Manticore Buttpad. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/IMG_1295_JPG-309693.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/90989.JPG |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 3:56:56 AM EDT
[#36]
Might have to load up on some spare parts, specifically springs.
I prefer the SAR just because of looks, accuracy is a problem with both IWI rifles but then again I don't need a sub MOA gun just a reiliable truck rifle. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:56:18 AM EDT
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You also need to catch the X95 trigger on special from IWI, and the Manticore Buttpad. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/IMG_1295_JPG-309693.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/90989.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well scheiße... there goes another charge on the secret credit card. I totally need that damn MI forend. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/IMG_1295_JPG-309693.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/90989.JPG What is the reason for such a large butt? |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:57:29 PM EDT
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How is that X95 trigger compared to Geissele et al? |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:59:02 PM EDT
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Dat's a huge ass. What is the reason for such a large butt?
Factory buttpad slopes down weird, there's a space for ???? inside the stock at the bottom near the butt hinge. Recoil dispersal? I don't know. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 7:28:08 AM EDT
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I prefer the Sar because of the mag release. For me the rifle is accurate enough. I was never a sub moa shooter anyway.
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Posted: 10/14/2017 5:39:17 PM EDT
[#41]
Should i not buy a tavor SAR with them being discontinued?
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Posted: 10/20/2017 6:10:56 PM EDT
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Should i not buy a tavor SAR with them being discontinued? |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 7:29:55 PM EDT
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I had a Tavor SAR and hated it. No big loss. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 10:56:49 PM EDT
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I put a trigger pack and lightning bow trigger and mine does everything I expected it to. Hits Man size targets at 400 yards dead center. it was designed to kill people not paper targets.
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Posted: 12/21/2017 6:51:10 PM EDT
[#45]
I too prefer the SAR. I like the charging handle location and the grip ergos better.
I get about 2 moa out of mine with wal mart remington bulk pack ammo. One of he best guns around for shooting unsupported on the move, IMO. My nephew has the X95. I was stoked about it until I shot his. Wasn't all that impressed. I didnt get that 2moa until i replaced the trigger pack of course..... something my nephew did not have to do. |
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Posted: 12/22/2017 11:12:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Dupe.
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Posted: 12/22/2017 11:20:19 PM EDT
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I have one but am considering selling it..............got bit by the bullpup bug and once I had it I decided that bullpups weren't for me... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a Tavor SAR and hated it. No big loss. |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 4:11:32 AM EDT
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I hate to say, but I feel like the SAR release was nothing but a money grab. Some socio-economist told them about Americans' tendencies towards instant gratification, and decided to do it for profit.
The X95 had already seen real world use for years before the SAR landed on our shelves. Now, the fact that the SAR is discontinued just further convinces me that this was the case. They could have just went straight to the X95 for a U.S. product, but wanted to get their wallet hooks into people who would buy both, or impatient people who would jump on the SAR and then buy an X95 shortly after. |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 1:43:20 PM EDT
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I hate to say, but I feel like the SAR release was nothing but a money grab. Some socio-economist told them about Americans' tendencies towards instant gratification, and decided to do it for profit. The X95 had already seen real world use for years before the SAR landed on our shelves. Now, the fact that the SAR is discontinued just further convinces me that this was the case. They could have just went straight to the X95 for a U.S. product, but wanted to get their wallet hooks into people who would buy both, or impatient people who would jump on the SAR and then buy an X95 shortly after. The thing is the gun is an amalgamation of US and Israeli parts. Most likely I’d wager that foreign orders for the original style are gone their military has gone to the x95 for further orders and with the crap US firearms market right now they don’t want to keep making all the parts for them just for a very small US market. The really important parts barrel bolt carrier group trigger pack even the gas tube I think are interchangeable between the x95 and SAR so it’s not like parts will be unavailable. If they pumped and dumped it then discontinued it and support a year or two latter I’d agree with you but i don’t agree with your conclusion. |
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Posted: 1/20/2018 12:26:45 AM EDT
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I prefer the SAR and still haven't bought one.
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