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Posted: 7/3/2017 8:41:40 PM EDT
Yes, it would get Form 1'ed. I've pretty much talked myself into getting one, though I have 2 things slightly holding me back... 1. I have heard that mags aren't durable at all; 2. I would be adding a new caliber to my line up, to justify it, I'd eventually probably end up getting a Five Seven to add to the collection as well.
A few questions... 1. how do they hold up to high round counts? 2. what parts are prone to breakage, if any? |
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Shot one that is Full Auto. Was not that impressed. Felt kind of flimsy and just didn't like the way it felt in my hands. Quite frankly I would rather have my slung New Frontier Armory Glock Mag AR pistol with the Dead Foot Arms short modified buffer assembly. More compact, easier to conceal, and parts are everywhere.
As a gun for a dedicated, $$$$ supported, professional protection specialist it may have some value. To me personally, plenty of other things I would rather spend my money on when it comes to gun stuff. |
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Yes, it would get Form 1'ed. I've pretty much talked myself into getting one, though I have 2 things slightly holding me back... 1. I have heard that mags aren't durable at all; 2. I would be adding a new caliber to my line up, to justify it, I'd eventually probably end up getting a Five Seven to add to the collection as well. A few questions... 1. how do they hold up to high round counts? 2. what parts are prone to breakage, if any? View Quote The magazines are total SHIT (IF you purchase some of the non-factory mags) The only part I've heard of failing is the bolt assy cracking, and that's after tens of thousands of rounds. O.K., you want "talked out" of purchasing one.... Here's a few points.... Zero recoil Holds 50 rounds Ammunition prices have dropped significantly Ammunition is light in weight Effective to 100 yds + VERY compact I love the ergonomics Using SS198 ammo is 100% reliable Easy to breakdown and clean If at this point I haven't talked you out of it I can list more reasons you don't want one. |
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I have really lusted after a PS90 sbr. It seems that it is something that you either love or hate. I want one just due to 1. size-19.1 inches-there won't be anything shorter due to an sbr bullpup, 2. Recoil-for my wife and daughter 3. Capacity-50 rounds on tap. I just have had other pressing needs in the firearm world.
I think I understand the limitations of the round, but I can see the usefulness of this package. I am sure Miami JBT will be along to show off his setup. |
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I was in the same boat a month ago. I kept looking for reasons not to buy when I came across a deal at a local shop.
Now I have a Ps90. |
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I had one for a while and was going to sbr it, but I hated the grip angle. I just could not get used to it so I sold it for double what I had in it.
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Yes, it would get Form 1'ed. I've pretty much talked myself into getting one, though I have 2 things slightly holding me back... 1. I have heard that mags aren't durable at all; 2. I would be adding a new caliber to my line up, to justify it, I'd eventually probably end up getting a Five Seven to add to the collection as well. A few questions... 1. how do they hold up to high round counts? 2. what parts are prone to breakage, if any? View Quote Too heavy... Buy a 5-7 pistol and an AR15 pistol... |
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I let big titty girls shoot mine. You don't want to see big titties bouncing up and down with hot brass in the cleavage. Some even pull their top off and shake the brass out.
Did I talk you out of it? |
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TP9 is cool in a 1980s mac-10 kinda way but lacks the range, magazine capacity and compactness (same problem as the MP7, huge magazine with less rounds hanging down) of the PS90.
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I've been off and on about buying one since ~2008. Still have a bunch of factory 50rd mags. Once had a nice assortment of ammo, but that's long gone...
One day I'll get one - not today though. |
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I'll try to talk you out of a PS90 SBR too...
Lightweight EXTREMELY compact (mine tucks into my backpack w/ an A2 birdcage on the end) Accurate, at least mine is (~1" @ 50 yd not difficult from prone w/ cut down FN barrel) Plenty of power for its design intentions as a PDW, little risk of over-penetration Basically no recoil 50 round magazine that doesn't protrude out the bottom of the gun Flat trajectory over its effective range of ~200m (w/ SS198) Quiet suppressed (aside from supersonic crack and action noise, but I wear plugs if I know I will be shooting) Has built-in double (triple if you count the center) redundant BUIS that are effective for close range shooting and still perfectly usable further out with practice Slings nicely, very comfortable to wear for long periods of time Comfortable and easy to shoot accurately from any position, it points like an extension of your body EASY/FAST to field strip and maintain Only cons I know of... Doesn't hit like a 5.56, but it wasn't designed to Large height above bore axis, this can be compensated for by practicing and using a sight w/ EOTECH-esque reticle which gives CQB aiming reference Slower mag change than AR, gets better with practice and usually the 50 round mag capacity does the trick anyways Bullpup trigger, many hate it but mine is smooth and breaks crisply Yet another type of ammunition to stock, true but at least it isn't as expensive as it once was Obviously, I love mine. I consider it the perfect gun for carrying around the properties day and night. It is excellent for shooting under night vision because it points so easily w/ an IR laser and is relatively quiet to observers so you aren't waking the neighbors. Mine wears the standard rail with a Holosun HS503GU circle dot/LaRue QD mount, Surefire X300V-B on the left receiver rail, IR laser on the right receiver rail, Griffin Optimus silencer, and an Urban ERT sling. If I am going hunting with it, I replace the red dot w/ a thermal sight. I practice with mine from 7 to 200 yd, but at 200 yd you have lost a lot of your power. It is, by far, my favorite gun. But yeah, you shouldn't buy one... because they're terrible |
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Also, PS90s seem to be pretty durable according to Henderson Defense. Keep in mind, these are VERY high round count guns that are used every single day.
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You guys convinced me, I'm getting one. I'll probably put an Aimpoint PRO or a Mini ACOG on it with TROS mount.
I wish FN still offered the OD green model, oh well. What are you guys running for slings and mag pouches? |
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You don't want any of these. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/18568/IMG-1387-245627.JPG View Quote |
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-The PS90 is awesome, but it only makes sense if you have a FsN and a ton of 5.7x28. Otherwise, there are smaller and/or more powerful SBR's that would be better, and a regular bullpup is only 6" longer. -You should only buy a FsN and PS90 if you are willing to invest heavily in the caliber - ie willing to keep 2-5k rounds in reserve, as well as drop $500-$1000 on the premium, botique SD ammo from Elite, R&R, Vangaurd, etc. --> In short, the 5.7x28 is for the dedicated, well funded enthusiast. Pretty much everything about it requires a labor of love. View Quote |
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It's a really interesting little rifle that begs to be SBRd. I love mine from the standpoint of its AUG lineage, novel design attributes, and due to the fact that it's really fun to shoot.
Some early FA models had issues with the bolts and receivers cracking under heavy suppressed FA fire. This was reported by one of the guys at Gemtech. I don't think this will be an issue with a semiauto and iirc correctly it was stated that this was due to the weight of the can canilevering on the muzzle while the barrel moves fore/aft ever so slightly during firing. |
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I've been off and on about buying one since ~2008. Still have a bunch of factory 50rd mags. Once had a nice assortment of ammo, but that's long gone... One day I'll get one - not today though. View Quote |
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With all the talk about shorty PS-90s, I thought that I'd be odd man out (like that's never happened before) and mention that I have kept mine full length. With the full length barrel, it's still very handy and also gets about everything that's possible (velocity-wise) from the itty bitty cartridge case.
And, with a Burris Fastfire III or Vortex Razor Reflex red dot, it's very fast and usable even without replacing the rail with a lower one. Forrest |
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It's REALLY a shame we can't get transferable P90's
Here is a short clip where I dumped a full 50 round magazine on Independence Day.... Full Auto P90 Mag Dump |
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It's REALLY a shame we can't get transferable P90's Here is a short clip where I dumped a full 50 round magazine on Independence Day.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2lGyjfCaBM View Quote |
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If I could get a full-auto one with all the AP rounds I wanted it would be an awesome PDW to hide under the jacket and go along nicely with the Five Seven pistol for a backup for VIP protection roles. However the semi-auto versions with civilian ammo doesn't quite excite me very much. It's still kind of a neat weapon for collection, but ammo is odd and harder to find and more expensive and weaker than 5.56mm. Women seem to enjoy shooting it though, especially left handed women. Has very little recoil, ambi controls, compact and lightweight. I know a few guys wives who made this their weapon of choice. I personally prefer the more powerful 5.56mm rifles with cheaper and easier to find ammo.
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Reading is fundamental 2stamp. If you notice I said "PISTOL". And the pistol I have is 16" OAL. NFA upper/lower, Dead Foot Arms MCS, and 4.5" barrel. Sure, your 9mm AR is more compact then a 10.4" long barrel 19.9" overall 50 ROUND capacity PS90 The only thing I find more humorous is when people say the MP7 is more compact because in some minds a 7.1" long barrel 25.1" stocked overall length and 40 ROUND MAG with a less impressive cartridge is more compact http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q613/Johnharden810/0710D53D-9A12-452D-874E-4B6F9036DD3C_zps9swtuvrp.jpg~original At least get a MPX if you want a 9mm PDW style weapon because AR conversions are so http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q613/Johnharden810/AB40AD6F-AA54-4C98-AA80-78C72D8CA17D.png_zpspocwe134.jpeg~original View Quote |
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If not full auto it is a solution looking for a problem. I sold mine and haven't missed it.
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Reading is fundamental 2stamp. If you notice I said "PISTOL". And the pistol I have is 16" OAL. NFA upper/lower, Dead Foot Arms MCS, and 4.5" barrel. Sure, your 9mm AR is more compact then a 10.4" long barrel 19.9" overall 50 ROUND capacity PS90 The only thing I find more humorous is when people say the MP7 is more compact because in some minds a 7.1" long barrel 25.1" stocked overall length and 40 ROUND MAG with a less impressive cartridge is more compact http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q613/Johnharden810/0710D53D-9A12-452D-874E-4B6F9036DD3C_zps9swtuvrp.jpg~original At least get a MPX if you want a 9mm PDW style weapon because AR conversions are so http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q613/Johnharden810/AB40AD6F-AA54-4C98-AA80-78C72D8CA17D.png_zpspocwe134.jpeg~original |
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If I could get a full-auto one with all the AP rounds I wanted it would be an awesome PDW to hide under the jacket and go along nicely with the Five Seven pistol for a backup for VIP protection roles. However the semi-auto versions with civilian ammo doesn't quite excite me very much. It's still kind of a neat weapon for collection, but ammo is odd and harder to find and more expensive and weaker than 5.56mm. Women seem to enjoy shooting it though, especially left handed women. Has very little recoil, ambi controls, compact and lightweight. I know a few guys wives who made this their weapon of choice. I personally prefer the more powerful 5.56mm rifles with cheaper and easier to find ammo. View Quote I'd want a full auto for more then a job a I don't have. You are silly |
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I disagree with all of the above. I've had a SBR PS90 for almost a decade, but have no FiveseveN, nor any interest. Only 6" longer? That's 30%! If you see no advantage over a regular bullpup, then there's no advantage in a bullpup over an AR15. I don't understand the stock up mentality on the caliber, but the last thing I'd buy is expensive boutique ammo for it that costs many times what 5.56 costs, but performs no where near as well. If you think you need that ammo, it's time to switch to an X95 SBR. View Quote A pistol that shoots tiny rifle bullets with minimal recoil and is accurate out to 150 yards > a tiny rifle that shoots tiny rifle bullets and is accurate out to 200 yards. The difference between 20" to 26" is far different then the difference between a 26" bullpup and a 36" conventional rifle. At 26," the bullpup is already short enough to clear a standard doorway without dipping the muzzle - notably, an Mp5 with the stock extended is 27". There really is not much manuevarability gains by going down to 20" unless you're a Tunnel Rat, a Tank Crew member, or working a PSD with the P90 under your suit jacket. Really the only advantage of 20" vs 26" is for carrying the P90 in a backpack, or for running it suppressed in as your HD rifle. As for the ammo, the 5.7x28 is unique in that there is no source for aftermarket brass, as all of it is produced by FN. There is only two sources for ammo - FN or Fiocchi, who uses FN brass to produce their ammo. Most of the available reloading brass is suspect in terms of 100% reliability due to scratches in the brass's laquer coating, which is essential to reliable extraction. Realoads of 1x fired brass are possible, but require a light coating of lubricant to run 100% reliably. So if you are sinking $2000+ into the SBR, and likely $1200+ into the FsN, it would be the height of foolishness not to have a serious reserve of 5.7x28 ammo should there be a disruption in supply. Being the most controversial caliber on the market, as well as the most vulnerable to supply interruption as the brass is imported, this is a serious concern. Hence my earlier assertion that the 5.7x28 system is awesome, but that you have to be seriously commited to it. If he just wants a really short, state of the art PDW for the collection and occasional shooting, he would be much better off with the B&T TP9. The P90, HK MP7, and B&T MP9 are the current state of the art for PDW's on the market. And the MP9 is the shortest, lightest, and cheapest to feed of the bunch. |
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Your bizarre logic doesn't apply to everyone. That said, carry on!
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As for the ammo, the 5.7x28 is unique in that there is no source for aftermarket brass, as all of it is produced by FN. Elite Ammunition is producing brass There is only two sources for ammo - FN or Fiocchi, There are several independent ammo manufacturers who uses FN brass to produce their ammo. Most of the available reloading brass is suspect in terms of 100% reliability due to scratches in the brass's laquer coating, which is essential to reliable extraction. Realoads of 1x fired brass are possible, but require a light coating of lubricant to run 100% reliably. 5.7x28 IS successfully reloaded and you do not lube the cartridge If he just wants a really short, state of the art PDW for the collection and occasional shooting, he would be much better off with the B&T TP9. The P90, HK MP7, and B&T MP9 are the current state of the art for PDW's on the market. And the MP9 is the shortest, lightest, and cheapest to feed of the bunch. View Quote |
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I have had mine for years and love it. I also have the FiveSeven handgun, and the AR57 pistol upper for an AR-15 that shoots the 5.7X28 and uses the same 50 round magazines. The AR57 magazines are the same quality as the factory magazines, and are USA made and not like the crappy import Chinese ones that people often confuse. I picked my mags up from CDNN when they had the 50 rounders for $9.99 each. Never once a jam, crack, etc.
In all honesty, you really don't have to Form 1 the PS90 unless you really want to. The rifle breaks in half with a push of one button and can be stored in a backpack. It is nice to have the velocity from the 16" barrel and it does a lot for the ballistics. Even though the 5.7X28 is not as powerful as the 5.56 (as designed), it is affordable, fun to shoot, and has very little felt recoil. It is a great gun for wives and girlfriends to try as it won't beat them up and is a lot of fun. Buying spare parts for PS90s is futile as you will pay almost as much for a new gun as for 4-5 spare parts (bolt, trigger pack, etc.) |
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Love your PS90. This pic helped push me over the edge, the OAL of these things SBR'ed is a big selling point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You don't want any of these. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/18568/IMG-1387-245627.JPG |
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I spent a number of years qualified on the P90 and was able to use it for work as an optional weapon when an M4 wasn't viable. Its a fun gun to shoot and ive never fired a full auto gun that was more controllable, but i'd never own one personally. The ammo is expensive and balistically there are better options out there. If you do get a PS90, step 1 is the SBR it. For me, and its strictly my opinion, guys who like the P90 (or the MP5 for that matter) are more in love with the concept or cool factor of it. After you shoot it for a while you'll end up getting something else.
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It's REALLY a shame we can't get transferable P90's Here is a short clip where I dumped a full 50 round magazine on Independence Day.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2lGyjfCaBM |
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I spent a number of years qualified on the P90 and was able to use it for work as an optional weapon when an M4 wasn't viable. Its a fun gun to shoot and ive never fired a full auto gun that was more controllable, but i'd never own one personally. The ammo is expensive and balistically there are better options out there. If you do get a PS90, step 1 is the SBR it. For me, and its strictly my opinion, guys who like the P90 (or the MP5 for that matter) are more in love with the concept or cool factor of it. After you shoot it for a while you'll end up getting something else. View Quote |
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I spent a number of years qualified on the P90 and was able to use it for work as an optional weapon when an M4 wasn't viable. Its a fun gun to shoot and ive never fired a full auto gun that was more controllable, but i'd never own one personally. The ammo is expensive and balistically there are better options out there. If you do get a PS90, step 1 is the SBR it. For me, and its strictly my opinion, guys who like the P90 (or the MP5 for that matter) are more in love with the concept or cool factor of it. After you shoot it for a while you'll end up getting something else. View Quote $14.99 for 50 rounds shipped free (10 box purchase) is expensive? |
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A few thoughts.... View Quote With reloading brass, it really depends where it is sourced from. My buddy ended up with 3k pieces from a shooting range that had sufficiently scratched the lacquer coating that 1/10 would fail to eject without keeping the brass lightly coated in case lube. |
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Ammo is expensive? $14.99 for 50 rounds shipped free (10 box purchase) is expensive? View Quote The P90 is a fun gun to shoot and if it floats your boat then go for it. Having spent a lot of time on the platform, once you get past the wow factor it really is underwhelming. Everyone is different and I can see how others would like to have / shoot the P90/PS90, I spend an inordinate amount of time on the M4 platform yet really enjoy the AUG. Proprietary magazines, completely different manual of arms, yet its tons of fun to shoot and I have no problems spending a day at the range trying to master it or using it for HD or as a travel gun. |
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Looking at SGA ammo its running between .34 and .58 per round. For what the round is, its expensive (to me) and i'd much rather catch 556 at/below that price. Plus is that training ammo or serious use ammo? The P90 is a fun gun to shoot and if it floats your boat then go for it. Having spent a lot of time on the platform, once you get past the wow factor it really is underwhelming. Everyone is different and I can see how others would like to have / shoot the P90/PS90, I spend an inordinate amount of time on the M4 platform yet really enjoy the AUG. Proprietary magazines, completely different manual of arms, yet its tons of fun to shoot and I have no problems spending a day at the range trying to master it or using it for HD or as a travel gun. View Quote |
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I want to hate the PS90, but I can't. The PS90 is more of a practical gun to me, very compact/concealable PDW that other family members (kids/wife) can use more effectively than other guns which are bigger/louder/have more recoil.
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It seems to me a PS90 is less practical than small 5.56mm AR builds. Do you mean concealed without being on one's person? It does generate less recoil compared to a 5.56 although anyone who can't handle 5.56 probably cannot utilize long guns defensively.
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Can't talk you out of one. Had one and regrettably let it go. Been looking for another. It's a fantastic little package.
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I want to hate the PS90, but I can't. The PS90 is more of a practical gun to me, very compact/concealable PDW that other family members (kids/wife) can use more effectively than other guns which are bigger/louder/have more recoil. View Quote |
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I spent a number of years qualified on the P90 and was able to use it for work as an optional weapon when an M4 wasn't viable. Its a fun gun to shoot and ive never fired a full auto gun that was more controllable, but i'd never own one personally. The ammo is expensive and balistically there are better options out there. If you do get a PS90, step 1 is the SBR it. For me, and its strictly my opinion, guys who like the P90 (or the MP5 for that matter) are more in love with the concept or cool factor of it. After you shoot it for a while you'll end up getting something else. View Quote What would you recommend as a "better option"? I do have one; I haven't decided whether or not to keep it. I fear, as you say, I'm "more in love with the concept" than I should be. Application would be concealable car/travel gun. I can't think of anything quite as compact you don' have to unfold first. Thanks.....Pachucko |
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It wouldnt be my first gun to tell someone to buy, but if like me you like different types then it fits the bill. Its one everyone from men to kids have fun shooting. And thats really what its about.
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Thank you for your insight. What would you recommend as a "better option"? I do have one; I haven't decided whether or not to keep it. I fear, as you say, I'm "more in love with the concept" than I should be. Application would be concealable car/travel gun. I can't think of anything quite as compact you don' have to unfold first. Thanks.....Pachucko View Quote |
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Thank you for your insight. What would you recommend as a "better option"? I do have one; I haven't decided whether or not to keep it. I fear, as you say, I'm "more in love with the concept" than I should be. Application would be concealable car/travel gun. I can't think of anything quite as compact you don' have to unfold first. Thanks.....Pachucko View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I spent a number of years qualified on the P90 and was able to use it for work as an optional weapon when an M4 wasn't viable. Its a fun gun to shoot and ive never fired a full auto gun that was more controllable, but i'd never own one personally. The ammo is expensive and balistically there are better options out there. If you do get a PS90, step 1 is the SBR it. For me, and its strictly my opinion, guys who like the P90 (or the MP5 for that matter) are more in love with the concept or cool factor of it. After you shoot it for a while you'll end up getting something else. What would you recommend as a "better option"? I do have one; I haven't decided whether or not to keep it. I fear, as you say, I'm "more in love with the concept" than I should be. Application would be concealable car/travel gun. I can't think of anything quite as compact you don' have to unfold first. Thanks.....Pachucko |
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