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Posted: 3/2/2016 5:50:30 AM EDT
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We're Plate Design Corp. and we've recently joined AR15.com as an Industry Partner. Feel free to check our Industry Forum, we try to actively post there daily. We're excited to announce our latest addition to our ACEM™ line of speed loaders: The AG/F 30. We wanted to wait a little bit before sharing (we haven't even had official pictures or videos taken of it yet) but we know there's some buzz floating around and a few requests for more info. The AG/F 30 is being manufactured as we type this; already have some in people's hands, should be seeing reviews soon. We're currently accepting pre-orders with a tentative ship date of March 15th, 2016. However we'll start shipping these as early as tomorrow depending on how fast we can process our current influx of AR/M4 GEN 2 models. Please feel free to comment and ask questions! Pre-production photo, production model will look virtually identical, we'll try to get some official pics up by next week. For now we've also included pictures of the ACEM AR/M4 30 GEN 2 for those not familiar with our ACEM loaders. The ACEM AG/F 30 is a 30-round magazine speed loader for Steyr AUG/F/88/F90 compatible magazines. Thanks to its patent pending design, the ACEM can load live, blank, training and irregularly shaped rounds. With its one piece polymer construction, the ACEM is both extremely durable and easy to use. Load 30 rounds at a time effortlessly with the push of a finger or with the aid of an additional mag. Best of all, the loader was designed to load virtually any magazine, regardless of capacity, all without damaging feed lips, projectiles and, most importantly, your fingers. ACEM™ AG/F 30 (now accepting orders) Magazine interface: Steyr AUG/F88/F90 platform Rounds: (capacity) 5.56 x 45mm NATO/.223 Remington (30) 300 Blackout (30) [we haven't run into a 300 AUG yet, but it doesn't hurt for the future] [indicators at 5-10-12-15-20-25-30 for common 30 & 42 round mags] Plate-Design.com |
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Neat. The price point is sane, I'm seriously thinking on this.
Someone odd question for you - is there a way to zip a conventional stripper clip into this rig? I do a lot of bulk reloading, and end up with a lot of ammo on stripper clips for storage (I don't like storing loose, and clips are way cheaper than plastic ammo boxes). It looks like this rig works better than trying to zip a stripper clip directly into a mag. Also, what are your thoughts on mounting this vertically, like on a wall, so that it can be permanently installed in an armory or gun room, and used to quickly pre-load mags prior to a range trip? |
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Also, could you please speak a little on your polymer chemistry and selection? Is this HDPE? Is this similar to a PMag polymer science? other?
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Neat. The price point is sane, I'm seriously thinking on this. Someone odd question for you - is there a way to zip a conventional stripper clip into this rig? I do a lot of bulk reloading, and end up with a lot of ammo on stripper clips for storage (I don't like storing loose, and clips are way cheaper than plastic ammo boxes). It looks like this rig works better than trying to zip a stripper clip directly into a mag. Also, what are your thoughts on mounting this vertically, like on a wall, so that it can be permanently installed in an armory or gun room, and used to quickly pre-load mags prior to a range trip? View Quote We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. |
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Also, could you please speak a little on your polymer chemistry and selection? Is this HDPE? Is this similar to a PMag polymer science? other? View Quote We can share a little. It is a polyethylene, probably better characterized between an HDPE and VHDPE in terms of chain length. It's also got some goodies in it that give it robust stability. And of course the manufacturing methods and product designs are a factor in the end product. We wanted something that wouldn't warp, crack or lose its dimension in extreme temperatures, moisture levels, impacts, UV and chemical exposure. Vague I know but unfortunately we can only share so much. |
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Sweet, I'm interested. Will the AUG version also work with AR mags or maybe 5.56 AK mags? If not it's not a deal killer. Looks like AK mags would be a no go.
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This is pretty freaking cool! I like the design; it's simple, has no little parts to break, and looks like you could use it as an impact weapon should the need ever present itself, then go back to loading mags.
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We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Neat. The price point is sane, I'm seriously thinking on this. Someone odd question for you - is there a way to zip a conventional stripper clip into this rig? I do a lot of bulk reloading, and end up with a lot of ammo on stripper clips for storage (I don't like storing loose, and clips are way cheaper than plastic ammo boxes). It looks like this rig works better than trying to zip a stripper clip directly into a mag. Also, what are your thoughts on mounting this vertically, like on a wall, so that it can be permanently installed in an armory or gun room, and used to quickly pre-load mags prior to a range trip? We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. OK, I'll take you up on that! FYI, I plan on doing a set of tests with this. I'm going to time how quick it is to load magazines this way vs clips vs by hand. I'm also going to do some tests to see what it takes to make the AUG loader work with AR mags - because I suspect with a little effort, I can do that. |
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We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Neat. The price point is sane, I'm seriously thinking on this. Someone odd question for you - is there a way to zip a conventional stripper clip into this rig? I do a lot of bulk reloading, and end up with a lot of ammo on stripper clips for storage (I don't like storing loose, and clips are way cheaper than plastic ammo boxes). It looks like this rig works better than trying to zip a stripper clip directly into a mag. Also, what are your thoughts on mounting this vertically, like on a wall, so that it can be permanently installed in an armory or gun room, and used to quickly pre-load mags prior to a range trip? We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. I'll take you up on that, been looking for a bulk AUG mag loader forever- how do I order to include the proto mount, and how to send feedback? |
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It can be done very easily, but it wouldn't work well. Its the same reason we haven't done the AR/AK one. We have some requests for an AR/AK loader with an AR interface on one end and an AK interface on the other. If you guys want something like that with the AUG we can make it happen. We're just not fond of the idea that the rounds could spill out from one end if there isn't a mag in place, then at the point how do you push them?
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Sweet, I'm interested. Will the AUG version also work with AR mags or maybe 5.56 AK mags? If not it's not a deal killer. Looks like AK mags would be a no go. View Quote |
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Thanks! Let's just say we wouldn't want to get hit by one of our own loaders lol We already have one made for the 762 NATO, just waiting for the production tooling for that round to arrive at our facilities!
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This is pretty freaking cool! I like the design; it's simple, has no little parts to break, and looks like you could use it as an impact weapon should the need ever present itself, then go back to loading mags. Will you be doing one for 7.62x51mm SR-25/DPMS pattern mags? View Quote |
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OK, I'll take you up on that! FYI, I plan on doing a set of tests with this. I'm going to time how quick it is to load magazines this way vs clips vs by hand. I'm also going to do some tests to see what it takes to make the AUG loader work with AR mags - because I suspect with a little effort, I can do that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Neat. The price point is sane, I'm seriously thinking on this. Someone odd question for you - is there a way to zip a conventional stripper clip into this rig? I do a lot of bulk reloading, and end up with a lot of ammo on stripper clips for storage (I don't like storing loose, and clips are way cheaper than plastic ammo boxes). It looks like this rig works better than trying to zip a stripper clip directly into a mag. Also, what are your thoughts on mounting this vertically, like on a wall, so that it can be permanently installed in an armory or gun room, and used to quickly pre-load mags prior to a range trip? We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. OK, I'll take you up on that! FYI, I plan on doing a set of tests with this. I'm going to time how quick it is to load magazines this way vs clips vs by hand. I'm also going to do some tests to see what it takes to make the AUG loader work with AR mags - because I suspect with a little effort, I can do that. We welcome any tests you'd like to do! You can play around with the idea of the AR/AUG loader all you want but we'll save you some time: As the loader is designed right now, an AR mag will fit perfectly fine. WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS. But it is physically possible to load the mags if you hold down the mag hard enough to prevent it from sliding back. If you just add a pin and recesses just like our AR loader has then it would solve the problem of the mag moving back. However you're still left with a lot of empty space around the mag as the AUG mag is substantially bigger. You could either make a "filler" adapter piece (lame) or just live with a poorly fitting magazine interface. AGAIN, WE DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS. |
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Just PM us on here with your order info so we know who you are and we'll see what we can do for ya!
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I'll take you up on that, been looking for a bulk AUG mag loader forever- how do I order to include the proto mount, and how to send feedback? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Neat. The price point is sane, I'm seriously thinking on this. Someone odd question for you - is there a way to zip a conventional stripper clip into this rig? I do a lot of bulk reloading, and end up with a lot of ammo on stripper clips for storage (I don't like storing loose, and clips are way cheaper than plastic ammo boxes). It looks like this rig works better than trying to zip a stripper clip directly into a mag. Also, what are your thoughts on mounting this vertically, like on a wall, so that it can be permanently installed in an armory or gun room, and used to quickly pre-load mags prior to a range trip? We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. I'll take you up on that, been looking for a bulk AUG mag loader forever- how do I order to include the proto mount, and how to send feedback? |
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What keeps rounds from popping out of the channel as pressure is put on them from the top?
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I received mine today. This thing is a solid chunk of plastic - it would probably survive anything you could do to it short of a tracked vehicle or shooting it. Unfortunately my schedule is too tight to spend any amount of time with it until the weekend.
A couple quick observations: Pros Heavy, solid, seems nearly indestructible. Polymer is slick. It came with a prototype pusher (see below for cons). The pusher is nicely shaped and seems easy enough to push with your hand. There are two drill holes in it - maybe for a handle? Don't know. It also came with a prototype mounting piece which fits snugly into the handle cutout and is drilled for two supplied panhead screws. The round count marks are a great idea, but can not confirm if that is where the actual rounds line up (no use yet). Cons It is not something that I would carry in my backpack or bag unless you drive - park - and sit at a bench. It's "heavy". The screws were nice to have for the mounting piece, but I would prefer a countersunk wood screw in place of the small diameter panhead screws. While the loading channel is smooth and free of burs, the sides where the loader contacts have some burs/chatter that make it slide not so freely. Will probably take a razor to it. No actual use yet, will update in a few days. |
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Neat. The price point is sane, I'm seriously thinking on this. Someone odd question for you - is there a way to zip a conventional stripper clip into this rig? I do a lot of bulk reloading, and end up with a lot of ammo on stripper clips for storage (I don't like storing loose, and clips are way cheaper than plastic ammo boxes). It looks like this rig works better than trying to zip a stripper clip directly into a mag. Also, what are your thoughts on mounting this vertically, like on a wall, so that it can be permanently installed in an armory or gun room, and used to quickly pre-load mags prior to a range trip? We'll have to check on that and let you know. I'm assuming you're referring to the AUG loader? It's going to be dependent on the loader's magazine interface. We specifically made these loaders for guys in the military who are stuck loading thousands of rounds a day. Some of the guys we've worked with all said the same thing about their clips, the clips themselves were bad or the spoons were always out of wack. So they'd remove the rounds from the clips and load the mags by hands. The mounting idea is more than a thought to us. One of the things we've tried to do is incorporate standards and uniformity within the design of all of our products. One of the big ones is the shape and location of the handle. We have a mounting piece that is designed to interface will all of our loaders so you can store the loaders on the wall or secure them to a work table or range bench. It is one of the many things we have already developed, just far back in the queue in terms of putting on our site. If you'd like, we can include one or two pre-production ones to play around with if you order one of our loaders. I'll take you up on that, been looking for a bulk AUG mag loader forever- how do I order to include the proto mount, and how to send feedback? Done, look forward to receiving it and loading some mags! |
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I was able to spend some time with the AUG mag loader today. All I can say is that I'm impressed. I wish I had something similar to this a long time ago...
I have a ton of mags and randomly pulled a 30rd and 42rd mag to use for timed loadings. They both randomly happen to have green baseplates/followers. The 30rd mag was made in 1987, with the 42rd mag made in 1989. With the mag loader on a bench top (moving freely, not secured with the mounting piece) I started with the 30rd mag first. My first ever attempt loading a magazine with the ACEM mag loader gave me a time of 1:28 (using the stopwatch on my phone). Every subsequent mag loaded had a significantly shorter time, including the 42rd mags. I was only going to load five times, but after seeing the other times I was getting, I decided to call the first attempt an outlier and throw it out. Times for 30rd AUG mag: 1. 1 minute 28 seconds 2. 50 seconds 3. 38 seconds 4. 45 seconds 5. 42 seconds 6. 52 seconds Average of loads 2-6: 45 seconds Next I moved onto the 42rd mag. The first attempt was made by loading 12rds first, then 30rds. All other loads were done by loading 30rds first, then finishing up with 12rds. I had a problem on the 6th attempt. More on that below. Times for 42rd AUG mag: 1. 1 minute 7 seconds 2. 54 seconds 3. 50 seconds 4. 58 seconds 5. 55 seconds Average of loads 1-5: 57 seconds I have a "9+1" AUG magazine and decided to try that out. Only ran 3 loads because unloading wasn't fun without being being able to remove the sealed baseplate (as I was doing with the 30 and 42rd mags - just because it's easier than stripping rds one by one). Times for 9rd AUG mag: 1. 16 seconds 2. 14 seconds 3. 14 seconds Average: 15 seconds I ran into two problems: Every once in a while a rd would get "stuck" parallel to the loading overhang in the channel. It only takes a second to clear it out, but it was annoying. The real problem that arose was on the last attempt with the 42rd magazine. After loading 30rds and upon trying to push in 12 more, only 11 went in. I stopped the timer thinking I put 13rds in the loader accidentally, but on removing the mag, the top two rds were jammed up together next to each other. One more rd fit after fixing the jam. I've never had that happen manually loading mags before. Don't know why it happened, but also don't really care as long as it doesn't keep occurring... I was going to time loading mags with my other conventional pusher type loaders, by hand, and with the Aussie 15rd mag chargers - but honestly I won't ever use those again, nor load mags by hand again. This loader is so quick and easy, not to mention my thumbs aren't sore. It loads so easily that nothing comes close in terms of time spent loading mags and effort expended. BEST $59 EVER SPENT. |
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I was able to spend some time with the AUG mag loader today. All I can say is that I'm impressed. I wish I had something similar to this a long time ago... <snip> BEST $59 EVER SPENT. View Quote Can't think of a better endorsement than this. Now to dig up some cash and place an order. |
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