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Posted: 5/19/2022 1:39:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/19/2022 2:16:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strikefirst: Out Fricking Standing .10 per bullet and an 50 cal ammo can. https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-223-225-55gr-2000-ct-projectiles-and-ammo-can-2000m1.html |
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Posted: 5/19/2022 6:13:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strikefirst: Out Fricking Standing Here's a couple of shots of Chad's reloading setup. That's a Hornady Iron press there. That really is a neat press.  Attached File Attached FileAnd a shot downrange:  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/19/2022 8:56:09 AM EDT
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Awesome!
I’ve spent a ton of time on that range. Can’t wait to see the 77gr BTHPs that were mentioned; I’ll definitely be snagging some to test against my current go-to load and see how they do. Not sure how they’ll be priced but even a solid 1MOA bullet that’s less than a match king will be hard to pass up for <600yd shooting |
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Posted: 5/19/2022 6:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Landshark9025: Thanks, @strikefirst. Given that you were the one who tagged @palmettostatearmory into the thread, I'm glad the conclusion lived up to your expectations. Here's a couple of shots of Chad's reloading setup. That's a Hornady Iron press there. That really is a neat press. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365808/IMG_0323_jpeg-2389150.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365808/IMG_0320_jpeg-2389151.JPG And a shot downrange: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365808/IMG_0316_jpeg-2389152.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Landshark9025: Originally Posted By Strikefirst: Out Fricking Standing Here's a couple of shots of Chad's reloading setup. That's a Hornady Iron press there. That really is a neat press. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365808/IMG_0323_jpeg-2389150.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365808/IMG_0320_jpeg-2389151.JPG And a shot downrange: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365808/IMG_0316_jpeg-2389152.JPG I am more pumped about your experience and what we learned about PSA as a whole. |
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Posted: 6/18/2022 5:28:45 PM EDT
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I was debating between VN and AAC 55gr projectiles.
I came across this thread, and was very confident on VN. Right as I began to stop, I saw PSA's post and the update from the OP. I will buy a $199 case of 2k AACs and ammo can and hopefully report back if I remember this thread. I hope their bases are in good shape but if not I feel confident PSA will take care of it. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 6:56:56 AM EDT
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Has anyone purchased some of these bullets to see that the ones being shipped are arriving in the same condition as the ones pulled off the PSA assembly line?
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Posted: 6/20/2022 7:11:46 AM EDT
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I have some "in process" and have cases primed and ready. But shipping is a bit slow these days so I don't have a tracking number.
I thought it only fair I get some "random packaged ones" and update. |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 1:40:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Landshark9025: I have some "in process" and have cases primed and ready. But shipping is a bit slow these days so I don't have a tracking number. I thought it only fair I get some "random packaged ones" and update. 
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Posted: 6/20/2022 8:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3: Excellent idea, and only fair way to test. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3: Originally Posted By Landshark9025: I have some "in process" and have cases primed and ready. But shipping is a bit slow these days so I don't have a tracking number. I thought it only fair I get some "random packaged ones" and update. Excellent idea! I happened ton look today and read a review and some said that basically the early batches sucked but they are now a great pill. |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 8:17:08 PM EDT
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Nice pictures
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Posted: 6/22/2022 6:40:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Landshark9025]
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The new ones arrived yesterday. So last night I ripped open one of the pouches, grabbed a fistful and lined 25 of them up on the stove like I did the first batch:
 Attached File Attached FileAs you can see, these are as straight as straight can be. In the second photo it looks like there's a "wave" in the middle, but that is due to shadowing. I looked at them hard when they were on the stove. So then I weighed the same 25 of them on my 5-0-5 scale:  Attached FileThat's quite consistent. I measured them with a ($20, Hornady) digital caliper. Across the 25:
What do all these numbers mean? I dunno, you guys tell me. But I'm praying it doesn't rain on Saturday. All things being equal, I'll be loading ammo tonight. |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 1:24:19 PM EDT
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Okay, I ordered 500. I had a gift card to PSA, so 500 of these plus an ammo can cost me a touch under $10 shipped. I'll give 500 of these a try over some H335.
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Posted: 7/3/2022 5:31:18 PM EDT
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OK, gents. Put a pin in it. It's safe to say we're solid in the 1.25-1.5" group range with these. Some "hand thrown, but not individually weighed" produced consistent groups in the hot Florida sun. I think H-335 is supposed to be pretty temp stable, but I am not.
Now we're talking. (Ignore the sharpie note at the top. I recycle targets because I'm cheap. This one has a 4" overlay PLUS the black dots.). Little bit of vertical stringing maybe? Either way, about on par with what we got in NC.  Attached FileWonder what the bottom four would have been without the choke?  Attached FileBonus points if you can figure out which shot was #5 and what was said after it.  Attached FileSo, what have we learned through this saga?
Thanks for everyone's feedback. If you have any other bright ideas, let me know. Now, to keep hitting the "refresh" button waiting for the 77g OTMs to come out so we can start this all over. @palmettostatearmory : That jug of TAC and those Remington 7 1/2s I've been saving aren't going to burn themselves! I may even buy some virgin Starline or other brass for those just to make it more fun(especially as 1x LC brass seems to be unobtainium these days). And yeah, the guy that recycles targets three or four times is talking about buying virgin 223 brass. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 6:27:42 PM EDT
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I agree, FMJ bullets that shoot pretty well.
They aren't match bullets and we shouldn't expect them to shoot like match bullets. They will do well for my needs. I would love to see if @molon would test various FMJ bullets and see what an expert gets with them. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 11:43:22 PM EDT
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Not bad shooting at all OP.
You just really have to bear down and concentrate on each shot. I have had the last shot gremlin visit me also.  Bottom right group is a good example. The others weren't so bad. Doinf work ups on this target. |
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Posted: 7/10/2022 10:35:00 AM EDT
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Here’s a sample of the 500 I recently received:
 Attached FileThese bullets arrived extremely well packed/padded. They look good to me. I just loaded some to test over H335. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 7:49:04 AM EDT
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Somewhat off topic, but I love that I cost someone else money for a change. :)
@aeroengineer - can't wait to see what you find. I'm still trying to get over how much I agonized over trying to find Varget or 8208 for the last several years when for 55g H-335 seems a better option. Certainly as good. @dryflash3 - thx for the comment, unfortunately, I think that "bearing down and concentrating" is what throws me. I think too much. There is a line between "concentrating" and "overthinking" I guess. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 9:54:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Landshark9025: Somewhat off topic, but I love that I cost someone else money for a change. :) @aeroengineer - can't wait to see what you find. I'm still trying to get over how much I agonized over trying to find Varget or 8208 for the last several years when for 55g H-335 seems a better option. Certainly as good. @dryflash3 - thx for the comment, unfortunately, I think that "bearing down and concentrating" is what throws me. I think too much. There is a line between "concentrating" and "overthinking" I guess. @Landshark9025 I’ve already loaded up a few initial test loads with these bullets.  Attached FileThese are H335 and mixed brass. My plan for these projectiles is to fill my substantial stash of mixed range pickup brass. A lot of shooters at my range shoot .223/5.56 and have no desire for their brass. I sort out a couple of headstamps I use for specific loads (or some I scrap), and then use the rest to load ammo for carbine drills. Since these loads are typically fired from RDS enabled carbines at targets from 20 to 50 yards, my accuracy goal is a pretty pedestrian 2ish MOA. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 12:06:00 PM EDT
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Excellent post - thank you OP. And much envy at the PSA offer. I have had pleasure of speaking to them over the phone a few times. The opportunity to meet them in person and see the operations, is something I would grab in a heartbeat!
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Posted: 7/11/2022 3:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Landshark9025: Somewhat off topic, but I love that I cost someone else money for a change. :) @aeroengineer - can't wait to see what you find. I'm still trying to get over how much I agonized over trying to find Varget or 8208 for the last several years when for 55g H-335 seems a better option. Certainly as good. @dryflash3 - thx for the comment, unfortunately, I think that "bearing down and concentrating" is what throws me. I think too much. There is a line between "concentrating" and "overthinking" I guess. Relax and don't get impatient. It takes practice and a clear mind to shoot good groups. Don't say "can't", instead practice and before you know it you will do the zen thing automatically. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 3:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3: Let me try to say it another way, when you start a group you are concentrating and in a zen place. You job is to extend that zen pace throughout the group. Relax and don't get impatient. It takes practice and a clear mind to shoot good groups. Don't say "can't", instead practice and before you know it you will do the zen thing automatically. When I go Zen I expect my 2 year old to hit me in the nuts with a toy. That's good advice...I think that's a clear description that I needed to read. |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 3:58:33 PM EDT
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To add to what dryflash3 said:
For me, if I have done all the prep I should have, and made sure I have everything I need packed up before I roll to the range, then half of the stress of "testing" goes away. Stress blocks focusing on anything, so whatever you can do to decrease the stress you feel about testing loads is worth your time. There are a lot of techniques for focusing amid loud, active environments. I've used several of them in helping surgical patients relax and let their pain meds work, and helping patients with anxiety and stress issues "talk themselves down" so they can actually be present and do the physical and occupational therapy they need to be able to go home. It's a LOT easier with someone who just "overthinks" things, but it's not something that can go in a forum post - it's got to be a lot more individualized, and practice needs to be guided until the person gets the hang of it. Look up "relaxation techniques" and find a few that do not sound like you need soy milk and a yoga mat to do them (  ), and give them a try. You could be surprised at how effective they are.
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Posted: 7/11/2022 7:18:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: @Landshark9025 I've already loaded up a few initial test loads with these bullets. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314595/FC4CE230-99AF-4272-8FBE-8D035649F0DD_jpe-2448766.JPG These are H335 and mixed brass. My plan for these projectiles is to fill my substantial stash of mixed range pickup brass. A lot of shooters at my range shoot .223/5.56 and have no desire for their brass. I sort out a couple of headstamps I use for specific loads (or some I scrap), and then use the rest to load ammo for carbine drills. Since these loads are typically fired from RDS enabled carbines at targets from 20 to 50 yards, my accuracy goal is a pretty pedestrian 2ish MOA. Do my eyes deceive me or by "mixed brass" do those also have a pretty wide variance in case length? It could just be the photo, but it looks like a couple have the cannelure almost exposed and others have it almost covered. Not that it matters for what you specified as your use case, just curious. I do the same thing with range brass. Ammo for drills goes in steel mags, ammo I care about either goes in an ammo can or PMAGs. Nice photos, btw. |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 3:28:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroEngineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Landshark9025: Those look purty. Do my eyes deceive me or by "mixed brass" do those also have a pretty wide variance in case length? It could just be the photo, but it looks like a couple have the cannelure almost exposed and others have it almost covered. Not that it matters for what you specified as your use case, just curious. I do the same thing with range  brass. Ammo for drills goes in steel mags, ammo I care about either goes in an ammo can or PMAGs.Nice photos, btw. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Landshark9025: Originally Posted By AeroEngineer: @Landshark9025 I've already loaded up a few initial test loads with these bullets. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314595/FC4CE230-99AF-4272-8FBE-8D035649F0DD_jpe-2448766.JPG These are H335 and mixed brass. My plan for these projectiles is to fill my substantial stash of mixed range pickup brass. A lot of shooters at my range shoot .223/5.56 and have no desire for their brass. I sort out a couple of headstamps I use for specific loads (or some I scrap), and then use the rest to load ammo for carbine drills. Since these loads are typically fired from RDS enabled carbines at targets from 20 to 50 yards, my accuracy goal is a pretty pedestrian 2ish MOA. Do my eyes deceive me or by "mixed brass" do those also have a pretty wide variance in case length? It could just be the photo, but it looks like a couple have the cannelure almost exposed and others have it almost covered. Not that it matters for what you specified as your use case, just curious. I do the same thing with range brass. Ammo for drills goes in steel mags, ammo I care about either goes in an ammo can or PMAGs.Nice photos, btw. The brass does have a pretty significant variance in length. I trimmed them all to 1.75. Any brass that resizes shorter than trim length just stay as-is. I shot these loads today and definitely more accurate than Wolf Gold, which is my benchmark for range ammo. A series of 6 round groups showed Wolf Gold at its usual 2.5 MOA and my handloads with 55 gr AAC bullets at 1.8 MOA. I’m sure I could do better if I sorted brass but these are good enough and let me use up my bucket of once fired random headstamps. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 8:05:48 PM EDT
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Thanks for the update, @aeroengineer.
Good to see they worked for you too. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 5:29:36 PM EDT
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I need to visit the reloading pages more often . This was very informative
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Posted: 8/2/2022 11:51:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz: I need to visit the reloading pages more often . This was very informative 
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Posted: 8/3/2022 11:54:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: carcrazysammy]
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Not sure how I missed this thread. Cheap 55 grain projectiles that shoot well? Count me in!
Just ordered 500. Sammy |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 8:37:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carcrazysammy: Not sure how I missed this thread. Cheap 55 grain projectiles that shoot well? Count me in! Just ordered 500. Sammy |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 3:47:59 AM EDT
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With cases trimmed to 1.750" and COAL of 2.250", where does the cannelure end up?
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Posted: 2/5/2023 1:37:53 PM EDT
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I’m really impressed with PSA. Outstanding work. You definitely have my business.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 2:30:23 PM EDT
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How in the world did I miss this thread? Definitely going to look into PSA when ordering projectiles.
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:32:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: With cases trimmed to 1.750" and COAL of 2.250", where does the cannelure end up? |
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