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Posted: 10/16/2017 9:06:05 PM EDT
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Not too bad a velocity difference with 4064. I wonder what the pressure curve looked like though.
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Posted: 10/16/2017 9:18:34 PM EDT
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Not too bad a velocity difference. I wonder what the pressure curve looked like though. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 9:24:10 PM EDT
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"I was able to find some old powder marked 4064 and 4895 stored inside a glass mayo jar."
Based upon everything I've ever learned about reloading, you found some lawn fertilizer and decided to load it. I think you should pitch it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 9:42:48 PM EDT
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Do you think it’s bad? I wanted to use the 4895 for my garand. "at your own risk" of course. If you're sure it's 4895 (knowing IMR or H is better) and looks good and smells good, maybe chrono 5 shots with a start load. If it's close to published data for .30-06, proceed. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 10:44:06 PM EDT
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If I was certain it was labeled correctly like when my son opens the powder cabinet and pulls out the Hodgdon container that I re-labeled WC-844 so we wouldn't be handling an 8 pound jug all the time, I wouldn't be afraid of using it.
But if not certain. That's your call. Motor |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:34:33 AM EDT
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"I was able to find some old powder marked 4064 and 4895 stored inside a glass mayo jar." Based upon everything I've ever learned about reloading, you found some lawn fertilizer and decided to load it. I think you should pitch it. Powder looks the same, not a mix. Brass was not stretched nor primers flat. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:40:38 AM EDT
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I also have a metal can of BLC.
Not BLC 2, but BLC.
I think that’s WWII surplus powder. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 1:08:30 AM EDT
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I was able to find some old powder marked 4064 and 4895 stored inside a glass mayo jar. Glass mayo jars with metal lids? 
Primers stored is a glass jar ignited by a static discharge is a classic example of poor reloading practice and a home-made bomb. 
Static ignition of powder is less likely, but not unknown. The metal list provides a path from the body to the jar, but the glass is an insulator, so the static charge "dances" across the surface of the jar until it reaches the decaying powder. Please transfer the powder into a metal or plastic container as soon as possible. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 1:09:19 AM EDT
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I also have a metal can of BLC. Not BLC 2, but BLC.
I think that’s WWII surplus powder. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 4:10:51 AM EDT
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Glass mayo jars with metal lids?
Primers stored is a glass jar ignited by a static discharge is a classic example of poor reloading practice and a home-made bomb.
Static ignition of powder is less likely, but not unknown. The metal list provides a path from the body to the jar, but the glass is an insulator, so the static charge "dances" across the surface of the jar until it reaches the decaying powder. Please transfer the powder into a metal or plastic container as soon as possible. I don't store stuff in glass bottles because sometimes my hands don't work too well.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:10:01 PM EDT
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I would love to see a pic of that BLC can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also have a metal can of BLC. Not BLC 2, but BLC.
I think that’s WWII surplus powder. 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:13:26 PM EDT
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I'm not disagreeing but how is a plastic bottle with a metal lid any different than a glass bottle with a metal lid. Both glass and plastic are insulators and plastic is often a static generator. I don't store stuff in glass bottles because sometimes my hands don't work too well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glass mayo jars with metal lids?
Primers stored is a glass jar ignited by a static discharge is a classic example of poor reloading practice and a home-made bomb.
Static ignition of powder is less likely, but not unknown. The metal list provides a path from the body to the jar, but the glass is an insulator, so the static charge "dances" across the surface of the jar until it reaches the decaying powder. Please transfer the powder into a metal or plastic container as soon as possible. I don't store stuff in glass bottles because sometimes my hands don't work too well. For extra caution, I’ll attach my anti static wrist wire I use for PC’s and discharge any static on my body and jar before I open. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 11:56:56 PM EDT
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I would love to see a pic of that BLC can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also have a metal can of BLC. Not BLC 2, but BLC.
I think that’s WWII surplus powder. Than Lot #2 in smaller print below. I’m guessing that’s BLC-2? |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:07:54 AM EDT
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Probably.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:16:28 AM EDT
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You're braver than I am. I would have tossed it.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:19:38 AM EDT
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No issue if you are absolutely certain of the powder's ID. As long as it's not showing evidence of decomposition it should be good to go.
I'd bet that the small velocity difference was just a lot to lot variance and not ageing over time. I have some powder that needs to be disposed of, come to think of it.... |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:29:56 AM EDT
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You're braver than I am. I would have tossed it. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:26:07 PM EDT
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BTW... there is a reason powder comes in non-transparent containers.
Just like most Beer bottles are brown. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:14:24 PM EDT
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I'm confused, you found one (1) mayo jar that is labeled 4895 AND 4064? If so, that's a blended powder. My public advise in such a manner, would be just to toss it. It's only a lb, which only means a hundred or so rounds worth of 30-06 rounds. That's worth about $20 or so in powder. $20. Who cares?
Considering you'll need to test with care, then come home, and test some more; that's a lot of screwing around for not much powder. If it were an 8# jug, it might be worth the bother, but 1#? If it were me, that's fertilizer or fire-start for the grill. If you're Hell bent to try it, look up the minimum recommended charge for each powder - use the smaller of the two, and I guess there you go. Not that I suggest it; whoever's powder that was was pretty damned sloppy in labeling, and very questionable in how they chose to store it (a glass jar? bad idea). Who knows what else they half-assed in handling/labeling it. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 11:51:40 PM EDT
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I'm confused, you found one (1) mayo jar that is labeled 4895 AND 4064? If so, that's a blended powder. My public advise in such a manner, would be just to toss it. It's only a lb, which only means a hundred or so rounds worth of 30-06 rounds. That's worth about $20 or so in powder. $20. Who cares? Considering you'll need to test with care, then come home, and test some more; that's a lot of screwing around for not much powder. If it were an 8# jug, it might be worth the bother, but 1#? If it were me, that's fertilizer or fire-start for the grill. If you're Hell bent to try it, look up the minimum recommended charge for each powder - use the smaller of the two, and I guess there you go. Not that I suggest it; whoever's powder that was was pretty damned sloppy in labeling, and very questionable in how they chose to store it (a glass jar? bad idea). Who knows what else they half-assed in handling/labeling it. |
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