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Posted: 9/14/2010 1:22:08 PM EDT
Is there a big difference between the various M193 milspec projectiles available today? I noticed Wideners carries both Lake City and Privy Partisan
made M193 projectiles. I'm mainly concerned about terminal ballistics/performance of these bullets,or in other words,will they react similar after
hitting flesh or other target?

I understand how M193 and M855 work and why,so I'm curious if brand X is any better than brand Y. Do you have a favorite?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:23:04 PM EDT
The only 55 grain fmj that is likely to to put a smile on your face is Hornady's. Widener's and MidSouth Shooter's Supply usually have 6000 bullet bulk cartons from $420 + shipping to $450 with shipping. These are the most accurate fmj's available.

Virtually all the other makes suck. Probably the worst performing bullet available. These are braod statements, but backed up by 1000 of people who have fired 3" to 4" "groups" at 100 yards. Hornady's version will get you close to 1.5" groups from a premium barrel.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:44:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 6:31:18 PM EDT
I may be remembering wrong, but thought I read that Hornady's 55 FMJ had a thicker jacket & didn't fragment.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:14:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:27:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 7:28:54 PM EDT by MonkTx]
The Hornady's are sweet shooting, Sierra's are so-so, Winchesters are not terrible and pulled are pure unadulterated shite. I have a Colt that loves the Remingtons but they will not group well at all for my other AR15's.

I miss the days of IMI 55 FMJ's- $21/1000 and they shot very well for me.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:32:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AeroE:

I've never shot M193 type ammo that looked anything like accurate, whether handload or factory. The South African we used to buy shoots about as well as the Q3131's and handloads with LC bullets.



I found the 1980's Malaysian M193 to be remarkably accurate. Aside from that, yep.

The Hornady M193 bullets are decent. They are what I use. If I had it to do again, I would have bought the 6000 softpoints over the FMJ.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:17:13 PM EDT


I like winchester powder and primer, but there 55FMJ's suck.

Looks like peanut butter smeared on a ritz cracker

Imagine these pieces of shit spinning towards the target....

Link Posted: 9/15/2010 2:55:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2010 2:56:49 AM EDT by CharlieHo]
Originally Posted By Derek45:


I like winchester powder and primer, but there 55FMJ's suck.

Looks like peanut butter smeared on a ritz cracker

Imagine these pieces of shit spinning wobbling towards the target....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/IMGP6673.jpg


fixt

Those look terrible. No wonder no one can get a decent group out of those things.
Link Posted: 9/15/2010 3:03:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Derek45:


I like winchester powder and primer, but there 55FMJ's suck.

Looks like peanut butter smeared on a ritz cracker

Imagine these pieces of shit spinning towards the target....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/IMGP6673.jpg


You're giving shit a bad rap... I think shit would actually hold together in a spin better, and be more accurate.

That being said, pulleds and winchester 55 grainers are fine for 50 yards and in, and that's it. 50 yards is actually pushing it, really.

I use Wolf and pulled 55's for seven to 25 yards at carbine classes. Anything further out get's the better stuff.
Link Posted: 9/15/2010 4:24:51 AM EDT
Thanks to all for recommendations for bullets. I have a good shooting load using the Hornady 55gr.f.m.j. bullets as of 2 years ago.
Perhaps I'll try a small batch of these mil spec bullets and see how they perform to satisfy my curiosity. Regards.
Link Posted: 9/15/2010 5:35:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2010 6:52:39 AM EDT
I love Montana Gold 55 gr. fmj's 1-1.5 in. groups at 100 yards with 23.9grains of TAC. these are their "Seconds" I've never bought thier first's.
Link Posted: 9/15/2010 8:25:49 AM EDT
With ~24.6 grains of TAC and Hornady 55 grain FMJ's, I regularly get sub-1" groups (usually around 0.9") out of a standard Stag 1:9 upper as long as I'm doing my part.

Haven't tried the PRVI or Winchester, etc. Hornady is inexpensive (in bulk) and works great.
Link Posted: 9/15/2010 3:20:59 PM EDT
Hornady 55gr. FMJ are much nicer than most, including my winchester pic above.

I still buy winchester when I see them on a good sale.
I load them up for 25 yard multi-gun stages.
Link Posted: 9/15/2010 5:51:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AeroE:
Originally Posted By pegleggreg:
I may be remembering wrong, but thought I read that Hornady's 55 FMJ had a thicker jacket & didn't fragment.

Do you want to be shot with one?

If I'm having a really bad day, I'll keep your offer in mind.


He was specifically asking about terminal performance in flesh...................

Originally Posted By AR-15Disciple:
I'm mainly concerned about terminal ballistics/performance of these bullets,or in other words,will they react similar after hitting flesh or other target?




Link Posted: 9/16/2010 7:18:23 AM EDT
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