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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:44:50 PM EDT
Hi Gang,
So I have a decent update for you on the progress of the 922r Stock for those of you who will want to SBR your MP-40s. Things are happening! First off, we have the list now of the items that will be changed in the 922r kit. Our primary goal was that you would not need to do any sort of major internal overhaul on your gun to get 922r with the stock. Because the pistol did not come with a stock, adding a US made stock does not count towards the numbers so in total, there will be 3 parts PLUS the stock in the kit when we have it complete. US Made Stock - We are making the under folding mechanism and the arms of the stock here at our facility in SC and having the butt plate stamped at a stamping place not too far from here. The die for the butt plate is currently being made and should be ready to stamp in about 6-7 weeks. US Made Magazine Follower - We are making this follower here at our facility out of a solid durable polymer. Its being machined out of a solid block so it's pretty heavy duty. US Made Mag Floor Plate - Also being made by the local stamper, the die for that will be ready in about 4-5 weeks. US Made Muzzle Device - We have made a thread adapter that converts the end of the gun from metric to normal 1/2x28, this will be available for individual purchase by the end of this week on our website and will also be included with the SBR kit. Realistically right now because the dies are being made for the stamped parts, I don't see us having these before Jan 1 because I have to have all the finished production level pieces to make the packaging, then we have to dot our i's and cross our t's on all the right disclaimers about NFA etc and have legal sign off. We're getting there though and we're on pace to have it on the market before Shot Show. |
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awesome news, i do like mine, but it would be better with a stock
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Yeah, we used the first prototype pieces of the set to make ours, it's pretty bad ass. The guys just had it at the IV8888 shoot in GA last week so video of it should be popping up soon.
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I'm hoping the stock will be fairly rugged, unlike the .22 MP40's stock?
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I'm hoping the stock will be fairly rugged, unlike the .22 MP40's stock? View Quote |
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Same, still online for January availability. We're already running the parts we're making in house on our machines. The rest is waiting on the availability from the stamper.
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Chris,
The stock you guys posted from Shot Show shows the finish to be green parkerized. Is this how it will look like on the production stocks, or will it have the same finish as the gun? |
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Is there going to be a US muzzle nut for those that want to try and keep the original look?
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CHECK THE LINK
And at the moment, we do not have a US Muzzle Nut. We might in the future but we had already made A TON of the adapters so that's what is coming with it for now. |
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CHECK THE LINK And at the moment, we do not have a US Muzzle Nut. We might in the future but we had already made A TON of the adapters so that's what is coming with it for now. View Quote |
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They come and go pretty fast when we make them between our standard dealer orders and what we allocate to the web. We've made and sold a little over 200 so far. We're trying to make 30-40 a week right now across all the pieces, so getting one when they're in stock on the web is a matter of timing and being ready to buy it when it hits right now.
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They come and go pretty fast when we make them between our standard dealer orders and what we allocate to the web. We've made and sold a little over 200 so far. We're trying to make 30-40 a week right now across all the pieces, so getting one when they're in stock on the web is a matter of timing and being ready to buy it when it hits right now. View Quote Don't have one, just curious. |
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Will an original stock fit? View Quote |
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Hmmm, a folding arm brace that looked kinda correct would be awesome....
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Agreed, just need ATI or someone to package it with the rest of the folding mechanism and I'd be in like Flynn! If nothing else I may have to ask a friend who does NOT own an MP-40P to work something up for me - to avoid the whole constructive possession mess
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Quoted: Agreed, just need ATI or someone to package it with the rest of the folding mechanism and I'd be in like Flynn! If nothing else I may have to ask a friend who does NOT own an MP-40P to work something up for me - to avoid the whole constructive possession mess View Quote From what I understand with all the jib jab that they have stated with arm braces is that when it is installed it must perform the function for which it was initially made and approved by the ATF. |
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Quoted: I have one that is SBR and I have a tailhook from another firearm, if you were to weld to try and make it work you would defeat the purpose of the brace which could land you in hot water with the ATF. From what I understand with all the jib jab that they have stated with arm braces is that when it is installed it must perform the function for which it was initially made and approved by the ATF. View Quote |
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I was actually thinking of replacing the butt "plate" with something the tailhook could attach to - so either completely discarding the buttplate itself or cutting it away to become just a pivoting mount for a tailhook. Totally agree that the tailhook needs to remain functional to avoid sick bird syndrome! Obviously I don't have one to handle/look at so perhaps the whole idea is infeasible View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I have one that is SBR and I have a tailhook from another firearm, if you were to weld to try and make it work you would defeat the purpose of the brace which could land you in hot water with the ATF. From what I understand with all the jib jab that they have stated with arm braces is that when it is installed it must perform the function for which it was initially made and approved by the ATF. |
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I think the best way would a guy with some time on his hands could make a buffer tube adapter for the MP40, I really don't think it would look that bad and they could make
it to fold to the side. |
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I think the best way would a guy with some time on his hands could make a buffer tube adapter for the MP40, I really don't think it would look that bad and they could make it to fold to the side. View Quote |
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Ugh, I'd withhold judgement until seeing it, but a side-folding MP40 seems like it would make baby Jesus cry... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think the best way would a guy with some time on his hands could make a buffer tube adapter for the MP40, I really don't think it would look that bad and they could make it to fold to the side. All yo would need is the tip for the tailhook to attach to. |
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Just throwing ideas out there, personally the shockwave blade on the VZ61 makes me cry but I don't judge other people, to each his own, if someone wants to avoid
the tax stamp money, paperwork and wait I'm sure someone will always try to find a way. |
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Just throwing ideas out there, personally the shockwave blade on the VZ61 makes me cry but I don't judge other people, to each his own, if someone wants to avoid the tax stamp money, paperwork and wait I'm sure someone will always try to find a way. View Quote |
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I've been corresponding with the folks at TechSmithMFG and they're apparently already working on an adapter to the tailhook brace! I may have more information as soon as next week, so if you're interested in a brace option, stay tuned!
@ATICSR_Christopher any eta on the next batch of kits? I'm presuming the TechSmith adapter will replace the actual buttplate so if you have the rest of the stock parts available, I'd be interested in buying that without the compliance parts. (Actually if the brace adapter is successful, anyone using that really should be buying something that's NOT a stock - so others may also want a SKU for the folding mechanism and parts minus the buttplate). |
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I've been corresponding with the folks at TechSmithMFG and they're apparently already working on an adapter to the tailhook brace! I may have more information as soon as next week, so if you're interested in a brace option, stay tuned! @ATICSR_Christopher any eta on the next batch of kits? I'm presuming the TechSmith adapter will replace the actual buttplate so if you have the rest of the stock parts available, I'd be interested in buying that without the compliance parts. (Actually if the brace adapter is successful, anyone using that really should be buying something that's NOT a stock - so others may also want a SKU for the folding mechanism and parts minus the buttplate). View Quote I'd be glad someone doesn't have to try and use an AR pistol buffer tube and ugly up such a cool clone -I was wondering if that was going to happen. |
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Next batch just went into the system, in stock on the web till they sell out again.
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I found one here. http://www.atlanticwallblanks.com/ATI-GSG-MP-40-BLANK-FIRE-ADAPTER-_p_437.html View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is there going to be a US muzzle nut for those that want to try and keep the original look? http://www.atlanticwallblanks.com/ATI-GSG-MP-40-BLANK-FIRE-ADAPTER-_p_437.html http://www.atlanticwallblanks.com/GSG-MP40-MUZZLE-NUT_p_490.html |
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This will be interesting. I had been wondering if they would be modding a tailhook for this and or underfolder style AKs I'd be glad someone doesn't have to try and use an AR pistol buffer tube and ugly up such a cool clone -I was wondering if that was going to happen. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've been corresponding with the folks at TechSmithMFG and they're apparently already working on an adapter to the tailhook brace! I may have more information as soon as next week, so if you're interested in a brace option, stay tuned! @ATICSR_Christopher any eta on the next batch of kits? I'm presuming the TechSmith adapter will replace the actual buttplate so if you have the rest of the stock parts available, I'd be interested in buying that without the compliance parts. (Actually if the brace adapter is successful, anyone using that really should be buying something that's NOT a stock - so others may also want a SKU for the folding mechanism and parts minus the buttplate). I'd be glad someone doesn't have to try and use an AR pistol buffer tube and ugly up such a cool clone -I was wondering if that was going to happen. |
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Any update on availability ? View Quote https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/819644021421 ETA: They do seem to come into stock and sell out fairly quickly, so keep a sharp eye out... |
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Is the stock for the 9mm pistol different from the one for the .22 ? I heard the 9mm version is sturdier.
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I hate to say it, but I am *NOT* impressed with the quality of the ATI stock set
Mine came assembled with a zip-tie holding the locking lug together, so I didn't have the opportunity to assemble the stock detents and springs, well I did, but I didn't think to dis-assemble them... *BIG* mistake! First I fought the roll pin - which seemed seriously oversized, to the point I finally had to use vise-grips to compress it and get it started. Mine was larger than the largest roll-pin starter I had (should have been another sign right there) at least before compressing it. It actually drove in reasonably "normally" with a roll-pin punch once the stock was assembled, but that start was a nightmare. The biggest disappointment was the folding butt-plate. The damn thing flat wouldn't fold once assembled, and I quickly discovered the detents were almost immovable. It took extensive banging of the pivot arms onto a block of wood, tapping them with various mallets, etc, to get the detents walked out enough where I could remove them. Finish was abominable - first off they're simply brass cylinders, no tapered/rounded end and no smaller-diameter spring end like the manual shows. Secondly they were scored and badly marred by being crammed into the channels in the pivot arms. I ended up having to use a drill bit to clean out the channels, then polished those with a Q-tip on a drill motor, finally slapping the detents into the drill motor chuck and polishing them until they were actually smooth. I left the cylindrical shape intact, but I should probably have reshaped the noses to be rounded like a typical detent, as the butt plate still takes more of a slap to fold than I prefer. This kit also came with a thread protector rather than a thread adapter - but it's NOT notched like the original, it's smooth on both ends. I chose to use the one shown above from Atlantic Wall Blanks - as it's got notches like the OEM part to lock in place. Hints for anyone doing this in the future: 1) Polish the detents until they glow! (Consider reshaping them to get smoother butt plate folding.) 2) Use a drill bit (by hand at least at first) to clean out the detent/spring channels in the stock pivot arms. 3) Be sure to start the roll-pin almost to the point of protruding into the locking lug opening *BEFORE* you try and assemble the arms, check the size of the pin vs the hole and check if you need to compress the pin. 4) Consider using the Atlantic Wall Blanks muzzle nut to lock in place against the spring-loaded detent pin in the front sight base. 5) Check the bolts holding the butt plate to the pivot arms - mine were T10 Torx *NOT* whatever SAE size was listed on the packaging. Sigh. Hopefully this will save someone else from having a quick 30-minute project turn into a multi-hour curse-fest! |
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Quoted: @ANTICUS I thought I'd posted this link somewhere earlier, but maybe it was in a different thread: https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/819644021421 ETA: They do seem to come into stock and sell out fairly quickly, so keep a sharp eye out... View Quote |
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I hate to say it, but I am *NOT* impressed with the quality of the ATI stock set Mine came assembled with a zip-tie holding the locking lug together, so I didn't have the opportunity to assemble the stock detents and springs, well I did, but I didn't think to dis-assemble them... *BIG* mistake! First I fought the roll pin - which seemed seriously oversized, to the point I finally had to use vise-grips to compress it and get it started. Mine was larger than the largest roll-pin starter I had (should have been another sign right there) at least before compressing it. It actually drove in reasonably "normally" with a roll-pin punch once the stock was assembled, but that start was a nightmare. The biggest disappointment was the folding butt-plate. The damn thing flat wouldn't fold once assembled, and I quickly discovered the detents were almost immovable. It took extensive banging of the pivot arms onto a block of wood, tapping them with various mallets, etc, to get the detents walked out enough where I could remove them. Finish was abominable - first off they're simply brass cylinders, no tapered/rounded end and no smaller-diameter spring end like the manual shows. Secondly they were scored and badly marred by being crammed into the channels in the pivot arms. I ended up having to use a drill bit to clean out the channels, then polished those with a Q-tip on a drill motor, finally slapping the detents into the drill motor chuck and polishing them until they were actually smooth. I left the cylindrical shape intact, but I should probably have reshaped the noses to be rounded like a typical detent, as the butt plate still takes more of a slap to fold than I prefer. This kit also came with a thread protector rather than a thread adapter - but it's NOT notched like the original, it's smooth on both ends. I chose to use the one shown above from Atlantic Wall Blanks - as it's got notches like the OEM part to lock in place. Hints for anyone doing this in the future: 1) Polish the detents until they glow! (Consider reshaping them to get smoother butt plate folding.) 2) Use a drill bit (by hand at least at first) to clean out the detent/spring channels in the stock pivot arms. 3) Be sure to start the roll-pin almost to the point of protruding into the locking lug opening *BEFORE* you try and assemble the arms, check the size of the pin vs the hole and check if you need to compress the pin. 4) Consider using the Atlantic Wall Blanks muzzle nut to lock in place against the spring-loaded detent pin in the front sight base. 5) Check the bolts holding the butt plate to the pivot arms - mine were T10 Torx *NOT* whatever SAE size was listed on the packaging. Sigh. Hopefully this will save someone else from having a quick 30-minute project turn into a multi-hour curse-fest! View Quote |
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That looks great. It makes me want to get one and go the SBR route as I have the .22 version with the fake suppressor but yours looks a whole lot better.
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Quoted: That looks great. It makes me want to get one and go the SBR route as I have the .22 version with the fake suppressor but yours looks a whole lot better. View Quote Quoted:
I hate to say it, but I am *NOT* impressed with the quality of the ATI stock set Mine came assembled with a zip-tie holding the locking lug together, so I didn't have the opportunity to assemble the stock detents and springs, well I did, but I didn't think to dis-assemble them... *BIG* mistake! First I fought the roll pin - which seemed seriously oversized, to the point I finally had to use vise-grips to compress it and get it started. Mine was larger than the largest roll-pin starter I had (should have been another sign right there) at least before compressing it. It actually drove in reasonably "normally" with a roll-pin punch once the stock was assembled, but that start was a nightmare. The biggest disappointment was the folding butt-plate. The damn thing flat wouldn't fold once assembled, and I quickly discovered the detents were almost immovable. It took extensive banging of the pivot arms onto a block of wood, tapping them with various mallets, etc, to get the detents walked out enough where I could remove them. Finish was abominable - first off they're simply brass cylinders, no tapered/rounded end and no smaller-diameter spring end like the manual shows. Secondly they were scored and badly marred by being crammed into the channels in the pivot arms. I ended up having to use a drill bit to clean out the channels, then polished those with a Q-tip on a drill motor, finally slapping the detents into the drill motor chuck and polishing them until they were actually smooth. I left the cylindrical shape intact, but I should probably have reshaped the noses to be rounded like a typical detent, as the butt plate still takes more of a slap to fold than I prefer. This kit also came with a thread protector rather than a thread adapter - but it's NOT notched like the original, it's smooth on both ends. I chose to use the one shown above from Atlantic Wall Blanks - as it's got notches like the OEM part to lock in place. Hints for anyone doing this in the future: 1) Polish the detents until they glow! (Consider reshaping them to get smoother butt plate folding.) 2) Use a drill bit (by hand at least at first) to clean out the detent/spring channels in the stock pivot arms. 3) Be sure to start the roll-pin almost to the point of protruding into the locking lug opening *BEFORE* you try and assemble the arms, check the size of the pin vs the hole and check if you need to compress the pin. 4) Consider using the Atlantic Wall Blanks muzzle nut to lock in place against the spring-loaded detent pin in the front sight base. 5) Check the bolts holding the butt plate to the pivot arms - mine were T10 Torx *NOT* whatever SAE size was listed on the packaging. Sigh. Hopefully this will save someone else from having a quick 30-minute project turn into a multi-hour curse-fest! View Quote So add #2a "check folding and unfolding with a punch or something holding everything together before you drive the roll-pin in. May want to consider polishing the button and its contact surfaces." I'll probably just grumble about mine and maybe sit down one night and fold/unfold it a few hundred times to work it into smooth functioning, but again color me unhappy to have to do this. |
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Well, I got my stock installed on the gun, but what a PIA. The pin was hard to fit and when I pressed it home I found the push button was frozen in the unlocked position. So I'll remove the pin and try again. Butt stock at least gave no problems and folds/unfolds as it should. I also used the Atlantic Wall muzzle nut with the detent.
I wish this install was as easy as the video makes it look. |
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Didn't have to pull the pin after all. The button freed up by repeated folding /unfolding of the stock (whew !) Now to do something about the mag release spring.
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Replaced the mag release spring with 6 coils from a .45 Auto recoil spring. Works well, mag no longer wobbly.
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FWIW, after all the heartburn, the darn gat shoots ! 115 gr Winchester FMJ RN ammo works best, but pretty sure any mil spec RN ball will run. Still having some annoyances with the stock, but it works.
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Any idea when another batch of these stocks will be made and in-stock? |
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