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Posted: 3/31/2018 6:08:54 PM EDT
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Kygunco.com has fde 17s in stock. Decent price too.
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Posted: 3/31/2018 7:52:00 PM EDT
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Kygunco.com has fde 17s in stock. Decent price too. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 8:02:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming KYgunco fullfills my purchase... I owe you a beer if you’re ever in Ohio! I can’t believe they had the 17S at that price. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 8:23:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The "LE" models? They will probably ask you to fax a dept letterhead |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 8:23:34 PM EDT
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Found a new FDE 17 online for $2950, so I went for it. Never thought I would be excited to pay that price for a rifle. 
Beats paying $4k+ on gunbroker. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 12:20:31 PM EDT
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Anyone have any actual sales data regarding scar's, both the 16 and the 17?
I don't fault anyone for spending what they do on the guns but personally FN priced me out of the market. I cannot justify spending almost three grand on a .223/5.56 platform. To me, that's absurd. The .308 guns are a little easier to stomach but their price in my mind is still astonishingly high. I really wonder how may of these rifles FN could sell if they would reduce the price. Personally, I think there is a pipeline issue so they've decided to maximize profits via limited production versus mass quantity. I could be completely wrong though. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:09:23 PM EDT
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Yeah, seems we had a batch come in but they're still up there in price.
Thinking I might forget the SCAR and go for the M14 second on the list of "to get" guns. I can only justify the SCAR if it comes down around $2500 again, and I don't see that happening soon, if ever. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:18:01 PM EDT
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Living in NY reading this... Free state problems
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm. It did have LE in the description, but there were zero disclaimers about additional requirements for purchase. Fingers crossed. So is the non “LE” version what they refer to as the 10 rd model? That’s the only other version I see on their website. 
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:23:08 PM EDT
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if i could find one online right now i'd buy it, but alas all OOS
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:33:24 PM EDT
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KYGUNCO LE guns....
Do they need just creds for private purchase or Dept Letterhead as if purchasing via dept. funds? |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 2:18:46 PM EDT
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I requested a quote (and it's a good one) and will see what they require. Normally, it's a copy of credentials.
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Posted: 4/2/2018 3:05:10 PM EDT
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I ordered one also, called today to make sure my order was good, and they said it is the law enforcement model and they had to cancel my order Gunbroker as of the last week most New FDE 17s have been bringing $3950-$4400 give or take a little |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 3:44:35 PM EDT
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Kygunco.com has fde 17s in stock. Decent price too. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 3:54:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What was the price? |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 7:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Appears that they were LE only models |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 8:00:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $2,827 New MIL/LEO Pricing: 16s = $2600 17s = $2800 |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 8:08:56 PM EDT
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I think a lot of people fail to realize FN bumped the prices of SCARs up ..... MSRP is now $3499 for the 17s and $3299 for the 16s New MIL/LEO Pricing: 16s = $2600 17s = $2800 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: $2,827 New MIL/LEO Pricing: 16s = $2600 17s = $2800 |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 8:58:07 PM EDT
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Wasn't the old mil/leo pricing around 2400 or so? Before the MSRP blasphemy. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 10:03:49 PM EDT
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Wasn't the old mil/leo pricing around 2400 or so? Before the MSRP blasphemy. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 10:18:28 PM EDT
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It was around $2500 I believe for the 17s and 2300 for the 16s .... About 2 years ago roughly it was less than that .... FN keeps raising the price Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wasn't the old mil/leo pricing around 2400 or so? Before the MSRP blasphemy. 
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Posted: 4/2/2018 10:36:39 PM EDT
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I have a chance to get a 17 at 3k otd. Really thinking hard about it. Wanted a 16 but I do love the 17. Its just that ammo price gets me.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 5:24:33 AM EDT
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I hope they will become available again soon, and the price will not exceed $3k. I would like another 17, or an MK20 if they will ever release the civilian version.
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Posted: 4/3/2018 9:36:53 AM EDT
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I have a chance to get a 17 at 3k otd. Really thinking hard about it. Wanted a 16 but I do love the 17. Its just that ammo price gets me. |
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Posted: 4/3/2018 10:29:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I purchased, at MIL/LEO pricing, 2 years ago at $2,750 new/shipped. $3k is a decent price given current market constraints. That said, if you can't afford to feed a .308 MBR with decent ammo you may not want to dip your toes into that world. If you're a casual shooter and looking for a fine weapon, and probably decent investment, the 17S is a good weapon to own. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:51:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you consider decent ammo? You talking jumping all the way up to FGMM? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:56:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I purchased, at MIL/LEO pricing, 2 years ago at $2,750 new/shipped. $3k is a decent price given current market constraints. That said, if you can't afford to feed a .308 MBR with decent ammo you may not want to dip your toes into that world. If you're a casual shooter and looking for a fine weapon, and probably decent investment, the 17S is a good weapon to own. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My local shop had a brand new black SCAR 17 for $2650 that I bought several weeks ago. So, there are still deals out there. Just harder and harder to find. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:42:54 PM EDT
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The issue I see is that once all of these rifles that were sold at the old MSRP from FN are gobbled up we will see higher prices across the board Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: My local shop had a brand new black SCAR 17 for $2650 that I bought several weeks ago. So, there are still deals out there. Just harder and harder to find. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 5:53:12 PM EDT
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Yes, as a baseline, although others have proven factory loads of different bullet weight/manufacture have performed well. Each rifle is unique even in these times and your own testing will reveal what the rifle likes to consume. If you intend to feed the weapon surplus German NATO or Wolf .308 your accuracy results will be directly tied to the ammunition used. The factory triggers on these rifles are substandard in comparison to what others offer in this price range. Plan on spending $200-$300 for a match trigger or deal with the 7-10lb lawyer trigger FN provides. Unfortunate situation for a rifle in this price range but its reality. Again, if informal shooting is all the weapon will be pressed into service for, or banging a 12" gong at range, just about any ammo will do. Any serious accuracy requirements and or hunting at range will require the proper trigger/ammo combo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What do you consider decent ammo? You talking jumping all the way up to FGMM? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:55:47 PM EDT
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The SCAR 17 is in a very special place right now. Unfortunately not that take your pick of black or fde for 2450-2500 special place it was not to long ago. As mentioned above MSRP bump with no feature or operation upgrades, rise in material cost, small batch manufacturing, import processing, and product life cycle make the 17 scarce and shrinks it’s market share. The SCAR 16 though besides all of the above, we all know is a 5.56 gun. Demand for the 16's in my experience was not quite on par with the 17. In my opinion the new incoming shipment, assuming new pricing, will exceed that of the 16's value. Of course there will be somewhat of a demand but I believe it will be even lower than previous price points. On the plus side there are windows were opportunity occurs. The luxury/vanity purchase aspect of the SCAR, 17 for example, plus the cost of shooting 308 yields SCAR’s that sit then eventually get sold at a discount. Right now though due to being on the latter end of between shipments and an MSRP hike, you have the usual sales of used low round count SCAR’s but at inflated prices typically with upgrades which were touched on above. There are also sales trying to take advantage of the unique scarcity/MSRP increase on those who do not wish to wait (opportunity cost). If I wanted a SCAR at this point I would wait for the next shipment. The relative prices will drop, the new supply and demand model will adjust, there will be more used rifles in the EE, Gunbroker, etc which will stir competition and those will drop accordingly. I have mainly watched 17 pricing as I have noted a couple times already in the thread but given the 16 topic on hand I am eyeing a used and new 16 to see what they go for in the current market. Auction watching is a good tool but there are variables to consider, which can skew the near real demand and of course the more sample points the better the conclusion. I think a used stock 16 in near new condition and low round count would sale in a week at $2250, same day at $2000. As for new stock 16's regardless of color I just do not see the market paying $3000 a pop, more or less even $2800, sans luxury/vanity purchases. eta: spell check  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:41:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Following up on this the below was a 14-day auction that started at $199.99 and sold for $2325. There is a NIB 16 I am watching with three days left at $2225 currently and would be surprised if it goes for over $2550 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380554/used16scar-505047.JPG 
But really the FDE do seem to bring quite a bit more |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 10:37:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Following up on this the below was a 14-day auction that started at $199.99 and sold for $2325. There is a NIB 16 I am watching with three days left at $2225 currently and would be surprised if it goes for over $2550 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380554/used16scar-505047.JPG |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 11:41:12 AM EDT
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It's pretty amazing to me that the sales price difference between the 16 and the 17 is so huge. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 12:58:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SCAR 17 is really the game changer due to its lightweight + recoil management. The 16 is nice, but really isn't as big of a game changer than the 17. The 17 is the one to have if only one. I prefer it over the MK18 and KAC CQB |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 4:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 16 shines as an SBR .... Really is awesome with the 10" barrel I prefer it over the MK18 and KAC CQB |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 16 shines as an SBR .... Really is awesome with the 10" barrel I prefer it over the MK18 and KAC CQB |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:07:16 PM EDT
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What do you prefer over the KAC? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The 16 shines as an SBR .... Really is awesome with the 10" barrel I prefer it over the MK18 and KAC CQB |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you prefer over the KAC? You can fine tune the gas system with gas jets to optimize use with a suppressor .... The system runs cleaner and has less gas over the KAC The SR15 is my favorite 16" carbine |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 1:20:05 AM EDT
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Well it looks like another batch has arrived in the states. Gunbroker went from having 2-3 for sale back up to 15-20. Of course the average asking price is now $3800-$4500.
Another interesting tid bit. Since FN has officially changed their American division name from "FNH USA" to "FN AMERICA" it appears they have changed the markings on the receiver just behind the two barrel screws. It no longer says FNH USA, but FN Columbia SC. And the font size on the FN is about 3 levels bigger then FNH USA was. 
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:42:02 AM EDT
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There's a new FDE 16 at my LGS for $2500 if anyone is interested! I'd have a hard time paying that even though it's not bad with current pricing/climate, I luckily snagged my FDE 16 new for $1900 a few years back.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:47:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 16 shines as an SBR .... Really is awesome with the 10" barrel I prefer it over the MK18 and KAC CQB |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 11:03:07 AM EDT
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if i could find one online right now i'd buy it, but alas all OOS Couple in the EE 
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Posted: 4/6/2018 11:28:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both and I can't agree with this. Obviously everyone's preferences are different, but my go to in the SBR options is my Mod 1 CQB with the QDC CQB can. It's lighter, has smaller/more compact ergos, and there's no noticeable difference in gas to the face. I love the Scar as well, but its forward weight and high rail just aren't as conducive to ease of manipulation as the SR-15, it does run cleaner, but that's a given with the piston. That said, I'd never give up either one. Plus its nice knowing that the SCAR is the most problem free platform henderson defense has in their inventory |
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Posted: 4/7/2018 9:22:35 AM EDT
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I have both and I can't agree with this. Obviously everyone's preferences are different, but my go to in the SBR options is my Mod 1 CQB with the QDC CQB can. It's lighter, has smaller/more compact ergos, and there's no noticeable difference in gas to the face. I love the Scar as well, but its forward weight and high rail just aren't as conducive to ease of manipulation as the SR-15, it does run cleaner, but that's a given with the piston. That said, I'd never give up either one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The 16 shines as an SBR .... Really is awesome with the 10" barrel I prefer it over the MK18 and KAC CQB I can see where one would prefer the SCAR 16 sbr as gas tuning with ease and the piston system are more user friendly. Still my 14.5” SR15 is a dream to shoot but putting another can on it has been on hold due to my above experience taking away the smooth function. But I agree keep/get both. |
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Posted: 4/7/2018 10:35:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using a KAC can on a KAC rifle is critical to have outstanding performance due to their proprietary gas systems. I have understood the surefires are on par as well if used but other cans can cause issues due to over pressure. I myself experienced this using a Recce 5, the increase cyclic rate was causing feeding issues. Band-aids included using only Gen3 pmags, H3 buffer and Gemtech adjustable bolt carrier. I can see where one would prefer the SCAR 16 sbr as gas tuning with ease and the piston system are more user friendly. Still my 14.5” SR15 is a dream to shoot but putting another can on it has been on hold due to my above experience taking away the smooth function. But I agree keep/get both. |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 12:29:44 AM EDT
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Following up on this the below was a 14-day auction that started at $199.99 and sold for $2325. There is a NIB 16 I am watching with three days left at $2225 currently and would be surprised if it goes for over $2550 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380554/used16scar-505047.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The SCAR 17 is in a very special place right now. Unfortunately not that take your pick of black or fde for 2450-2500 special place it was not to long ago. As mentioned above MSRP bump with no feature or operation upgrades, rise in material cost, small batch manufacturing, import processing, and product life cycle make the 17 scarce and shrinks it’s market share. The SCAR 16 though besides all of the above, we all know is a 5.56 gun. Demand for the 16's in my experience was not quite on par with the 17. In my opinion the new incoming shipment, assuming new pricing, will exceed that of the 16's value. Of course there will be somewhat of a demand but I believe it will be even lower than previous price points. On the plus side there are windows were opportunity occurs. The luxury/vanity purchase aspect of the SCAR, 17 for example, plus the cost of shooting 308 yields SCAR’s that sit then eventually get sold at a discount. Right now though due to being on the latter end of between shipments and an MSRP hike, you have the usual sales of used low round count SCAR’s but at inflated prices typically with upgrades which were touched on above. There are also sales trying to take advantage of the unique scarcity/MSRP increase on those who do not wish to wait (opportunity cost). If I wanted a SCAR at this point I would wait for the next shipment. The relative prices will drop, the new supply and demand model will adjust, there will be more used rifles in the EE, Gunbroker, etc which will stir competition and those will drop accordingly. I have mainly watched 17 pricing as I have noted a couple times already in the thread but given the 16 topic on hand I am eyeing a used and new 16 to see what they go for in the current market. Auction watching is a good tool but there are variables to consider, which can skew the near real demand and of course the more sample points the better the conclusion. I think a used stock 16 in near new condition and low round count would sale in a week at $2250, same day at $2000. As for new stock 16's regardless of color I just do not see the market paying $3000 a pop, more or less even $2800, sans luxury/vanity purchases. eta: spell check https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380554/used16scar-505047.JPG NIB Black SCAR 16 $2555.00  Attached FileSCAR 17 NIB FDE $3999.00  ...Someone did a "Buy It Now" while it was at $3250.00 with a few hours left. It was a fresh new user so who knows if it was a mistake or something else.
 Attached FileSCAR 17 NIB FDE $3450.00 | Likely a more accurate SCAR 17 current market fetch  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/9/2018 4:29:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Final update on this line of post.... NIB Black SCAR 16 $2555.00 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380554/456ure-509438.JPG SCAR 17 NIB FDE $3999.00 ...Someone did a "Buy It Now" while it was at $3250.00 with a few hours left. It was a fresh new user so who knows if it was a mistake or something else.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380554/564745-509440.JPG SCAR 17 NIB FDE $3450.00 | Likely a more accurate SCAR 17 current market fetch https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/380554/34r5typture-509442.JPG |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 7:31:43 AM EDT
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There are currently 2 FDE SCAR 16s in the EE for a decent price.
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Posted: 4/11/2018 7:47:33 AM EDT
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There are currently 2 FDE SCAR 16s in the EE for a decent price. The other one has no barrel for $2150 
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