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Posted: 4/21/2015 9:45:03 PM EDT
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I wonder if they will/ hope they do make this in the para version 
This would be very tempting. 
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Posted: 4/22/2015 12:55:42 AM EDT
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The PARA barrel with the flashider is 16.3, but it's closer to 14" without it. You could weld it on, or provide your own extension and weld it on, threads are goofy anyways on the PARAs. I didn't realize the flashider was so long, just looked up the FN website and they stated 16.3 for the para model so I made the assumption they were stating actual barrel length... did a little more reading else where and saw the barrel itself is only 13.7 |
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Posted: 4/22/2015 12:05:27 PM EDT
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A PARA in FDE with a pinned break and I'm in.
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Posted: 4/22/2015 12:38:49 PM EDT
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AT first I was all like
 "gonna buy one!"
BUT then at 7 grand,......SEVEN GRAND 
I was all like 
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Posted: 4/22/2015 1:11:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI sold my 1919 for the same reason. I have a semi 1919A6 that I use as an OPFOR prop weapon with blanks for training with cadets at work. It'll probably be getting sold too, to offset an M249S for the same role. 
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:53:19 AM EDT
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I've never EVER seen a good quality LMG semi auto for under 6k. I still want one. my abs10 rpk was freaking awesome my hb izzy fal also awesome ohio ord BAR is like a 4000 |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:54:19 AM EDT
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I wonder if they will/ hope they do make this in the para version http://www.fnhusa.com/files/1613/4271/7610/m249_para_large.png This would be very tempting. Yep I would have to save up for that. perfect truck gun   
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Posted: 4/24/2015 9:16:20 PM EDT
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On a side note, FN *could* have chosen to make their 249's/MK46's capable of switching to 7.62 x 51 with a handful of parts. I suspect they didn't do this so that they could sell the .gov a whole new batch of guns at the taxpayer's expense. My MGA gun can go 7.62 with the conversions parts and a few minutes of time. I suspect the S model has a similar built-in defect restricting it to 5.56. IIRC, The MK48 has that capability |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 3:23:06 PM EDT
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IIRC, The MK48 has that capability Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On a side note, FN *could* have chosen to make their 249's/MK46's capable of switching to 7.62 x 51 with a handful of parts. I suspect they didn't do this so that they could sell the .gov a whole new batch of guns at the taxpayer's expense. My MGA gun can go 7.62 with the conversions parts and a few minutes of time. I suspect the S model has a similar built-in defect restricting it to 5.56. IIRC, The MK48 has that capability That's true, FN does claim to have a 5.56 kit for the MK48, not sure why you would want to go that direction, but not a difficult conversion. My point is that the US MGA receiver, whether it's the closed or open bolt version, has the ability to go from 5.56 to 7.62. This is something you cannot do with the FN gun, presumably to force customers to buy more guns instead of kits. There really isn't a physical reason to hobble the gun so that it can only shoot 5.56, or cartridges in that size range when the MK48 is essentially the same receiver. MGA builds every receiver to accept all calibers with the appropriate conversion kits that are simple to install/swap. I wonder if FN will actually bring these to the market or if it turns out to be vaporware. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:30:07 AM EDT
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Has Fn produced vaporware before?
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Posted: 5/20/2015 4:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm still going to get one. This is my only shot at getting one. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:39:51 PM EDT
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A 300 BLK model would be even better, silent and "unlimited" ammo.
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Posted: 5/21/2015 3:35:20 PM EDT
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A 300 BLK model would be even better, silent and "unlimited" ammo. Hmmm.......like this one? Patent Pending 300 Blackout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPZL07Jv7c |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 9:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm.......like this one?
Patent Pending 300 Blackout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPZL07Jv7c 
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Posted: 5/23/2015 5:56:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a semi 1919A6 that I use as an OPFOR prop weapon with blanks for training with cadets at work. It'll probably be getting sold too, to offset an M249S for the same role. http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/Todd_Pegg/20150419_131522_zpsji1vgeuc.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: I sold my 1919 for the same reason. I have a semi 1919A6 that I use as an OPFOR prop weapon with blanks for training with cadets at work. It'll probably be getting sold too, to offset an M249S for the same role. http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad156/Todd_Pegg/20150419_131522_zpsji1vgeuc.jpg |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 8:44:10 PM EDT
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This thing is insanely cool but the cost and weight for a semi auto only rules it out. I'd rather keep saving for a full auto. Propes to FN for releasing it though.
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The last one I saw for sale (over 15 years ago) was by C&S Metall-Werkes. It was for $75,000....OVER 15 YEARS AGO! That's my buddy's shop. A fine Class 3 with good people. 
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Posted: 6/25/2015 9:00:59 AM EDT
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Waiting patiently for the release. Already liquidating items I dont shoot to make it nuetral budget wise. Bought SAW boxes and nutsacks (selling those too on EE) so Im all stocked and ready to go!
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:13:00 AM EDT
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I'm not 100% on how the trigger works but something like an SD3G, slideifre, or a gatling crank would make those things fun fun fun.
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Posted: 7/8/2015 12:37:05 PM EDT
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Literally ZERO new info since April....
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Posted: 7/8/2015 7:15:01 PM EDT
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I'm trying to wait patiently........ It's not working.
I ended up ordering a para barrel and stock off of gunbroker in preperation for the fun. 
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Posted: 7/9/2015 7:30:22 PM EDT
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Literally ZERO new info since April.... I was wondering the same thing. No new info. By now I was hoping samples would be out to gun mags or more info. |
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Posted: 8/11/2015 12:52:30 PM EDT
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Anybody hear any news yet?
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Posted: 8/12/2015 4:24:39 PM EDT
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Anybody hear any news yet? On FN's FB page I read a comment posted by a dealer that they received an email stating the collector series would be shipping by the end of Aug/early Sept. That is the only thing I've seen since the flurry of news earlier this year, and of course who knows how credible that is. |
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Posted: 8/17/2015 1:09:21 AM EDT
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On FN's FB page I read a comment posted by a dealer that they received an email stating the collector series would be shipping by the end of Aug/early Sept. That is the only thing I've seen since the flurry of news earlier this year, and of course who knows how credible that is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anybody hear any news yet? On FN's FB page I read a comment posted by a dealer that they received an email stating the collector series would be shipping by the end of Aug/early Sept. That is the only thing I've seen since the flurry of news earlier this year, and of course who knows how credible that is. Now that's the kind of news I was hoping for! I just hope it's true! Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/17/2015 4:46:52 PM EDT
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I had a Semi-auto MG-42. I loved it, but hauling the gun, ammo can's spare barrels and other assorted crap to the range made it way to much hassle. I wish that I did not sell it, but glad I did. If that makes any sense at all.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 5:58:29 PM EDT
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Now that's the kind of news I was hoping for! I just hope it's true! Thanks! Well it looks like the Aug/Sept. timeline is for the FN15 collector series. However, FN USA posted on 8/14 to expect the M249S by Christmas. So at least it sounds like it's still on track for this year. Can't wait for the price to be officially released. I'm on board either way, but I hope to be pleasantly surprised. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 3:35:30 PM EDT
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Stopped into one of the local shops. MSRP is about 5K and supposedly shipping in December.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 5:03:12 PM EDT
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Stopped into one of the local shops. MSRP is about 5K and supposedly shipping in December. In theory you should be able to pick it up a touch under 5K But being semi-auto its really just a fun range toy with not a whole lot of practical use. Unless someone makes a impressive bumpfire stock or someone to mount a M16 RR to it i think ill pass. Got a SCAR 17S in my sights for the next purchase
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:04:12 PM EDT
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Still NOTHING released, no new news, no pictures.....
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Posted: 9/10/2015 7:49:33 AM EDT
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In theory you should be able to pick it up a touch under 5K Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stopped into one of the local shops. MSRP is about 5K and supposedly shipping in December. In theory you should be able to pick it up a touch under 5K That would be a nice surprise, if it really comes in at that price point. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 5:07:05 PM EDT
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I had thought they said it would be $7500? If it really turns out to be price @$5k that would be awesome. I definitely want one as a collector since its pretty rare to get offered a factory built beltfed. These will only go up in value as the years go by just like the semi-auto M60's which were $2500 back in the day and are now $12k and up.
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Posted: 9/13/2015 7:58:07 PM EDT
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5k would definitely be a pleasant surprise. Here's hoping
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Posted: 9/20/2015 5:49:37 PM EDT
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Slickguns shows it at $4k. We can only hope.
http://www.slickguns.com/product/civilian-legal-m249-coming-soon-4000 |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 8:58:53 PM EDT
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Slickguns shows it at $4k. We can only hope.
http://www.slickguns.com/product/civilian-legal-m249-coming-soon-4000 Now that would be a lot better and street price would be even lower. Have been considering getting one to go on my hummer. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 3:00:26 PM EDT
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Modern belt fed semi's are more than a rangetoy. They are actually very good investment guns. Look at what a semi auto PKM or semi-auto M60 goes for.
They sold for about the same or a little more. A couple years after they stop making these, I think they will skyrocket in value. I gotta say for 4K: |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 7:37:53 PM EDT
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Slickguns shows it at $4k. We can only hope.
http://www.slickguns.com/product/civilian-legal-m249-coming-soon-4000 Again, that was posted in April.....NO NEW NEWS?!?! |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:04:14 PM EDT
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seriously 4k i am all over it
the one thing about belt feds is the ammo not the price of the rifle. i was looking at the uk-59's but the ammo price kills it plus it is cheap to reload and shoot for |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 8:03:39 PM EDT
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I hope it's a success and they come out with an M240s next.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 8:04:56 PM EDT
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any word on when they will be released?
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Posted: 9/23/2015 3:16:24 PM EDT
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any word on when they will be released? I heard DEC with a $7500 MSRP. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 11:37:48 PM EDT
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They've been running a commercial here for their new retail outlet. In the commercial they have one in the showroom.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 11:47:23 PM EDT
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$4000 and I think I'd bite. $7500 and no way lol.
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Posted: 9/28/2015 6:34:00 AM EDT
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seriously 4k i am all over it the one thing about belt feds is the ammo not the price of the rifle. i was looking at the uk-59's but the ammo price kills it plus it is cheap to reload and shoot for UK 59 ammo is 7.62x54r which is still relatively cheap!!!!!! |
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Posted: 9/28/2015 11:47:34 AM EDT
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Modern belt fed semi's are more than a rangetoy. They are actually very good investment guns. Look at what a semi auto PKM or semi-auto M60 goes for. They sold for about the same or a little more. A couple years after they stop making these, I think they will skyrocket in value. For those other ones, if you have the cash, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but I'm not sure whether or not this will hold true for the M249S. The M249S is not going to be a re-engineered parts kit, or a small run by a small company -- the M249 is a currently in wide production weapon, and FN is a large company with a robust civilian sales apparatus. Unlike the other examples cited, FN merely has to occasionally crank out a couple of semi-automatic specific components once in a while when the demand replenishes, and then pull the remainder of the parts off of active production, since, like Colt with AR15s, they own full rights to the design of the Minimi/M249. The expensive and difficult part was most likely the R&D to develop a closed bolt, semi-automatic-only system that would maintain the exact same form-factor as the automatic version, so they're probably "sunk" costs already, and I would foresee them wanting to recoup this by keeping the M249S in relatively steady production/supply. Just to throw my couple of cents in pricing wise - because of the above factors, I would think that would try to keep the MSRP "relatively" modest, so they can sell higher volume versus having a higher profit margin per-unit. ~Augee |
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Posted: 9/29/2015 2:12:30 PM EDT
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As far as I know the M249 is no longer in service.
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Posted: 9/29/2015 2:32:33 PM EDT
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As far as I know the M249 is no longer in service.  The M249 is still in service with all branches.
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Posted: 10/2/2015 4:26:23 PM EDT
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The M249 is still in service with all branches.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as I know the M249 is no longer in service. The M249 is still in service with all branches. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 12:55:14 PM EDT
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The M249 is still in service with all branches.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as I know the M249 is no longer in service. The M249 is still in service with all branches.Very true, the m27 iar is only supplementing the m249 as a squad automatic weapon in usmc service. I don't think the marine corps would ever completely replace the m249 with a magazine fed weapon. In Afghanistan, I think the m27 makes a lot of sense, but having a large volume of suppressive fire is very important at times in more urban environments. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 1:11:30 PM EDT
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Very true, the m27 iar is only supplementing the m249 as a squad automatic weapon in usmc service. I don't think the marine corps would ever completely replace the m249 with a magazine fed weapon. In Afghanistan, I think the m27 makes a lot of sense, but having a large volume of suppressive fire is very important at times in more urban environments. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as I know the M249 is no longer in service. The M249 is still in service with all branches.Very true, the m27 iar is only supplementing the m249 as a squad automatic weapon in usmc service. I don't think the marine corps would ever completely replace the m249 with a magazine fed weapon. In Afghanistan, I think the m27 makes a lot of sense, but having a large volume of suppressive fire is very important at times in more urban environments. When they were pushing the M27 before the trials were conducted, it was presented as precisely the opposite. IE: Using the M27 as a precision support by fire weapon in urban areas with the ability to be used for house to house combat and CQB without the downfall of breaching and entry with a SAW. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:56:28 PM EDT
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They sent me an email today asking a lot of pricing questions, like "what would be a good deal" and "at what price would you question it's quality" and "how much do you think a full auto military version costs". Then they gave me a couple coupons for discounts at their store.
I generally averaged around $2000 for what I'd pay. it's awful cool, but would be a pain. I think I'd rather have a SA Bar and I'm not running to the bank to buy one of those. I'm glad it's available for you wealthy folks to buy, though. If I made over 100K a year I might consider buying it for around 3K. 
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