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Posted: 8/19/2010 5:27:26 AM EDT
SCARs for SOCOM

Despite the bullshit you have read before SOCOM is ordering these bad boys.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 5:58:27 AM EDT
When it comes to .mil contracting...Don't believe everything you read.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 7:36:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2010 7:46:02 AM EDT by Jawzzy]
The Mk16 did get the axe tho.


Gabe Bailey, the marketing director for military weapons at FNH-USA:

"You are correct and I am not hiding any facts. And, as the main customer has stated, they do not plan to buy the MK 16...in my humble opinion, this has nothing to do with performance but rather smartly-weighed budget decisions."



After six years of dragging FN trough this mess this should be FN's answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbQWO22pprk

Link Posted: 8/19/2010 8:01:33 AM EDT
Um last i heard they were all being recalled, WTF? [confused]
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 9:01:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jawzzy:
The Mk16 did get the axe tho.


Gabe Bailey, the marketing director for military weapons at FNH-USA:

"You are correct and I am not hiding any facts. And, as the main customer has stated, they do not plan to buy the MK 16...in my humble opinion, this has nothing to do with performance but rather smartly-weighed budget decisions."



After six years of dragging FN trough this mess this should be FN's answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbQWO22pprk



They are just buying the Mk17 so they can use 7.6 or 5.56 out of the same weapon.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 9:30:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2010 10:22:59 AM EDT by Gamma762]
Originally Posted By RePp:
They are just buying the Mk17 so they can use 7.6 or 5.56 out of the same weapon.

The MK 17 (7.62mm) is also the base of the SCAR common receiver currently under final test and evaluation by USSOCOM.

I think you're right. The serialized common upper receiver design concept is a brilliant adaptation to bureaucratic property control, accounting and budgeting procedures, which allows SOCOM units to have a lot of flexibility while keeping a minimum of "weapons" on inventory. New calibers, new barrel configurations, new lowers to use different magazines can all be done with no purchase of new "weapons" or altering the design of the original standardized configuration.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 9:58:33 AM EDT
I heard regular troops might start to field the SCAR also.

I cannot confirm nor denied if is true, just word of mouth.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 10:28:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By RePp:
They are just buying the Mk17 so they can use 7.6 or 5.56 out of the same weapon.

The MK 17 (7.62mm) is also the base of the SCAR common receiver currently under final test and evaluation by USSOCOM.

I think you're right. The serialized common upper receiver design concept is a brilliant adaptation to bureaucratic property control, accounting and budgeting procedures, which allows SOCOM units to have a lot of flexibility while keeping a minimum of "weapons" on inventory. New calibers, new barrel configurations, new lowers to use different magazines can all be done with no purchase of new "weapons" or altering the design of the original standardized configuration.


That Mk17 common receiver could be the cheapest ,easiest way to introduce some new intermediate cartridge not held back by the AR15 mag.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 12:29:50 PM EDT
B...b...but I heard that they were ditching it and moving towards the ACR! The internet never lies!!!!

Stoked for it, I think the SCAR is a pretty slick package.
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 6:45:16 AM EDT
What, what, what?????
Man this keeps going back and forth!
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 9:33:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JONNYROCKO:
What, what, what?????
Man this keeps going back and forth!


No it doesnt try reading. I stated above that they are only making the Mk17...the gun that can use 5.56 or 7.62. Why make Mk16 when the Mk17 can do the same thing in 2 diffrent calibers.
Link Posted: 8/21/2010 4:41:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/21/2010 4:41:48 PM EDT by HKocher]
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By RePp:
They are just buying the Mk17 so they can use 7.6 or 5.56 out of the same weapon.

The MK 17 (7.62mm) is also the base of the SCAR common receiver currently under final test and evaluation by USSOCOM.

I think you're right. The serialized common upper receiver design concept is a brilliant adaptation to bureaucratic property control, accounting and budgeting procedures, which allows SOCOM units to have a lot of flexibility while keeping a minimum of "weapons" on inventory. New calibers, new barrel configurations, new lowers to use different magazines can all be done with no purchase of new "weapons" or altering the design of the original standardized configuration.


That's what I'd really like to buy, a SCAR receiver that was capable of caliber changes with a some parts swapping.

So I'm confused, is the current production version Mk17 capable of being reconfigured for multiple calibers, or is that something they are working on for future release?

Or more relevant to my interests: is the civilian version of the SCAR-17 going to be able to run 7.62 and 5.56? I'm real close to ordering a SCAR-16, but if that's the case, I'll hold for the 17.
Link Posted: 8/21/2010 5:24:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jeepdriver98:
When it comes to .mil contracting...Don't believe everything ANYTHING you read.

There I fixed it.



I was just reading in another thread that they gave up on the SCAR and cut them all up. lol
Link Posted: 8/21/2010 5:40:07 PM EDT
How many times have they approved the SCAR for FRP? LOL
Link Posted: 8/23/2010 12:37:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HKocher:
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By RePp:
They are just buying the Mk17 so they can use 7.6 or 5.56 out of the same weapon.

The MK 17 (7.62mm) is also the base of the SCAR common receiver currently under final test and evaluation by USSOCOM.

I think you're right. The serialized common upper receiver design concept is a brilliant adaptation to bureaucratic property control, accounting and budgeting procedures, which allows SOCOM units to have a lot of flexibility while keeping a minimum of "weapons" on inventory. New calibers, new barrel configurations, new lowers to use different magazines can all be done with no purchase of new "weapons" or altering the design of the original standardized configuration.


That's what I'd really like to buy, a SCAR receiver that was capable of caliber changes with a some parts swapping.

So I'm confused, is the current production version Mk17 capable of being reconfigured for multiple calibers, or is that something they are working on for future release?

Or more relevant to my interests: is the civilian version of the SCAR-17 going to be able to run 7.62 and 5.56? I'm real close to ordering a SCAR-16, but if that's the case, I'll hold for the 17.


The last informed word I read on the subject was that the "common receiver" is a Mk17 upper with the specific compatible, retrofit parts (bolt, barrel, lower) that enable it to run 5.56 cal.
Link Posted: 8/23/2010 4:41:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By JONNYROCKO:
What, what, what?????
Man this keeps going back and forth!


No it doesnt try reading. I stated above that they are only making the Mk17...the gun that can use 5.56 or 7.62. Why make Mk16 when the Mk17 can do the same thing in 2 diffrent calibers.


Multi-cal capability makes perfect sense, so why wasn't that the plan from the get-go? Oh, the .gov was involved? Then I understand.
Link Posted: 9/1/2010 10:00:20 AM EDT
Here is FNH's Gabe Bailey addressing the SCAR/SOCOM matter:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=60510&page=2

His statement is posted on 18 AUG 2010, 1609 hrs.

Hope this helps.
Link Posted: 9/5/2010 7:49:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Weaponeer:
Here is FNH's Gabe Bailey addressing the SCAR/SOCOM matter:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=60510&page=2

His statement is posted on 18 AUG 2010, 1609 hrs.

Hope this helps.


Mother of God, did you guys see the picture of that Scar 17 at the bottom of that article. DO FUCKING WANT..

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:08:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 5:10:41 PM EDT by gunsho11b]
Originally Posted By kabob983:
B...b...but I heard that they were ditching it and moving towards the ACR! The internet never lies!!!!

Stoked for it, I think the SCAR is a pretty slick package.


Yep.........

and you cant interchange 5.56 to 7.62 or vice versa with an ACR!

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