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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:31:19 AM EDT
Saw Frank running special on E.A M16 for $16.5K.
On his description, he stated that Armitage International, Ltd was the Maker. There is little to no info about these out there... Is this cast receiver M16? Also, anyone know any history about Sendra lower that has Jonathan Arthur Ciener Mfg marking on the lower? 
http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/687052987 |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:45:26 AM EDT
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The EA J-15s are indeed cast receivers. Other than being ugly, they're very strong, and I've heard the casting was done by Ruger for EA, so they're as tippy-top quality as you can get in a cast receiver.
Nothing wrong with the Sendra receivers, either, other than the occasional complaint that the anodizing looks purple in bright sunlight (which is true). The big factor in a Sendra conversion was who did it, and Ciener usually did a good job on his conversions. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 3:36:15 PM EDT
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I'll add that the J15 has definitely been refinished.
The original finish is a light gray. Not that this is a problem, just an FYI. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 3:46:59 PM EDT
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I owned a few J-15's (EA's semi auto lowers) during the ban. They were fine receivers as other have stated. I've been M-16 shopping myself, so IMHO, for a couple grand more you could get a forged lower conversion and not worry about it.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 3:51:16 PM EDT
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Yes, I ended up getting Sendra converted by JAC for the same price.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 4:19:50 PM EDT
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What Circuits said.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 4:38:33 PM EDT
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Yes, I ended up getting Sendra converted by JAC for the same price. Any forged AR15 conversion lower in the $16-17k range is an great deal, especially since it was a 50/50 payment. Looks like someone also snagged the cast E.A. lower as well as the GB auction for it has now ended. IMO once it arrives at your local dealer check it for fitment of mil-spec parts (not the parts it comes with) and document any issues and send it off to USAnodizing or M60Joe. They can make any repairs and modifications to the lower to make it mil-spec, and then have it refinished with a fresh coat of anodizing. Mine looked brand new when I got it back. Also, just out of curiosity why did you pick up a RR, dont you already own a RDIAS? Not happy with the RDIAS or just wanted more MGs? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 5:12:46 PM EDT
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Thanks for the kind words.
I hope I made a better choice by choosing Sendra lower converted by JAC over E.A lower for the same price. Yes, I'm planning to send it to M60Joe eventually... it looks pretty good in pic. Yeah, I already have DIAS & RLL but always wanted to add at least one RR in my collection. $16.5K for Sendra forged lower w/ LWRC piston upper was pretty good price IMHO. 50/50 deal and buying from a dealer also made my decision a little bit easier. 
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Congrats! Any forged AR15 conversion lower in the $16-17k range is an great deal, especially since it was a 50/50 payment. Looks like someone also snagged the cast E.A. lower as well as the GB auction for it has now ended. IMO once it arrives at your local dealer check it for fitment of mil-spec parts (not the parts it comes with) and document any issues and send it off to USAnodizing or M60Joe. They can make any repairs and modifications to the lower to make it mil-spec, and then have it refinished with a fresh coat of anodizing. Mine looked brand new when I got it back. Also, just out of curiosity why did you pick up a RR, dont you already own a RDIAS? Not happy with the RDIAS or just wanted more MGs? |
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Posted: 9/15/2017 6:26:13 PM EDT
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Guys, what do you all think is the going rate for a converted EA RR? Do you think $16,500 is todays fair market value for a person to person (non-dealer) transaction?
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Posted: 9/16/2017 6:34:57 AM EDT
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Sounds fair to me.
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Posted: 9/16/2017 5:36:55 PM EDT
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Sounds fair to me. |
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Posted: 10/8/2017 4:21:05 PM EDT
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Is there even a difference in forgings? I've heard metallurgical differences making a Colt superior... but any evidence or truth to that?
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Posted: 10/9/2017 2:11:46 PM EDT
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Is there even a difference in forgings? I've heard metallurgical differences making a Colt superior... but any evidence or truth to that? The makers of clone AR15s (a) did not intend for their products to be made full-auto, and (b) they were attempting to make a clone that they could sell for less than a factory Colt. Thus they had lower QC requirements, and could buy them for less $$$. While today there are brands of AR15s that are superior to Colt, before May 19, 1986, Colt made the highest quality AR15s (and M16s). All of the clones sold for less $$$ because they cost less $$$ to build. (The one exception might be the stainless steel Group Industries receivers, and that is only because of the material from which they were made. Virgin GI receivers were notoriously out-of-spec.) Non-Colt AR receivers have been known to have the occasional void in the forging, which is a problem if they need to be repaired. That issue certainly is rare -- I've only seen one myself in 30 years -- but I've never, ever heard of an issue with a Colt forging. YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 11:36:17 PM EDT
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Guys, what do you all think is the going rate for a converted EA RR? Do you think $16,500 is todays fair market value for a person to person (non-dealer) transaction? |
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