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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you still saying you wouldn't do it? All my purchase knowledge is coming from this forum lol  |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:32:29 PM EDT
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as long as you have the paperwork. 99.999999% can be fixed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you still saying you wouldn't do it? All my purchase knowledge is coming from this forum lol Alright that's what I wanted to hear |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:55:22 PM EDT
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So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? Gunbroker is a good price guide. Generally, gunbroker auctions represent a medium retail price. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:55:28 PM EDT
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Just curious.. This auctions just says Mac11 Cobray, how am I supposed to know if its SWD or someone else as the maker? Does it matter or is there some that were manufactured better than others?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/578747447 Thanks for the help guys |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 5:26:44 PM EDT
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Just curious.. This auctions just says Mac11 Cobray, how am I supposed to know if its SWD or someone else as the maker? Does it matter or is there some that were manufactured better than others? http://www.gunbroker.com/item/578747447 Thanks for the help guys Looks like a good gun If it's an M11 Nine, then SWD made it. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 5:54:48 PM EDT
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Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. Fuck frank G with as many pointy sticks and burning tourches as you can. Don't waste your money with that shit bag. He doesn't own 98% of the guns he lists, and has more then once straight up fucked buyers. He is worse then a used car dealer. At least a used car dealer knows that a car has four rubber wheels and an engine. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 5:58:15 PM EDT
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Ok but at that point it just comes down to if who he is selling for is selling crap. Maybe bad practice, but if you get the chance to see it and test fire it you are good I assume (3 day guarantee) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. He is a broker, he does not have the gun. Prob is not even in the same state as it, he does have the rare market forced deal.. There are Auctions like Juliet and Rock Island Ok but at that point it just comes down to if who he is selling for is selling crap. Maybe bad practice, but if you get the chance to see it and test fire it you are good I assume (3 day guarantee) Hardly. Had a gun transfer though a shop I help out at, gun was all wrong. Form didn't match the makers marks. Frank's "3 day guarantee"? He offered the buyer 10% refund. Lol. Go Frank! Keep telling yourself that 3 days is worth something. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 6:00:05 PM EDT
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as long as you have the paperwork. 99.999999% can be fixed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you still saying you wouldn't do it? All my purchase knowledge is coming from this forum lol And how about when the gun doesn't match the form? Frank offered 10%. But the gun was fake. Ok, I'll send you 10% back. Lol. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 6:13:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And how about when the gun doesn't match the form? Frank offered 10%. But the gun was fake. Ok, I'll send you 10% back. Lol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you still saying you wouldn't do it? All my purchase knowledge is coming from this forum lol And how about when the gun doesn't match the form? Frank offered 10%. But the gun was fake. Ok, I'll send you 10% back. Lol. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 6:37:31 PM EDT
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Point taken ill mark him off the list
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Posted: 8/23/2016 6:53:28 PM EDT
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I have seen what I consider to be some very clever and tricky wording in Frank's ads and I do not trust the ads.
Some of his Thompson ads are real doozies. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 7:28:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Point taken ill mark him off the list Frank, frank.... He be carful. I got my Valmet from him and did ok. Like Cyb says some of the wording is VERY miss leading to say the least. but deals are out there. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 8:04:58 PM EDT
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No just be a smart buyer, Frank, frank.... He be carful. I got my Valmet from him and did ok. Like Cyb says some of the wording is VERY miss leading to say the least. but deals are out there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Point taken ill mark him off the list Frank, frank.... He be carful. I got my Valmet from him and did ok. Like Cyb says some of the wording is VERY miss leading to say the least. but deals are out there. Yeah watch out for frank. I don't think he has out right ever scammed someone but I've seen ads like "full auto colt m16" and when you read the fine print and look at the pictures it's actually a RLL in a colt semi auto lower. While the ad is sort of true it's also a price difference of like $10k |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 8:48:43 PM EDT
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I have seen what I consider to be some very clever and tricky wording in Frank's ads and I do not trust the ads. Some of his Thompson ads are real doozies. lol |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 9:13:08 AM EDT
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No just be a smart buyer, Frank, frank.... He be carful. I got my Valmet from him and did ok. Like Cyb says some of the wording is VERY miss leading to say the least. but deals are out there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Point taken ill mark him off the list Frank, frank.... He be carful. I got my Valmet from him and did ok. Like Cyb says some of the wording is VERY miss leading to say the least. but deals are out there. I'll chime in again to repeat the "be a smart buyer" statement. There are many, many makes, models, and variants of machine guns. No dealer is an expert on all of them. You need to be an informed, if not expert, buyer. With the limited number of transferable machine guns available, they are 'collectibles'. There is an adage in collectible markets: The mistakes you make on your first purchase is the initiation fee into the club. Being a smart buyer will minimize, hopefully zero out, that initiation fee for you. Best of luck with your quest. MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:39:13 AM EDT
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Whew, lots of Frank hate here. It's not giving me the warm fuzzies about buying an M11 from him back in March. I bought knowing he did not have it in hand, but it was a good price and there weren't many available on the market so I jumped. Form4 to him has been approved and they should have it within a week or so. The 3 day guarantee seemed comforting to me, but I guess that's just about worthless. Hopefully the rest of the transaction will be smooth.
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:24:39 PM EDT
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When I bought my Valmet m76 from him 3yrs ago, it was listed as a FA Valmet. Well it does shoot FA, but it is a married sear gun. The sear is the Reg part not the receiver.
I was not 100% thrilled when I discovered this but what am I going to do?
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:39:41 PM EDT
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If I were going to buy a normal pistol/rifle these days and it looked like this I would immediately pass... As for as the Macs go I assume this is about as good of shape as I will get, or "normal" for used right? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:10:08 PM EDT
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Whew, lots of Frank hate here. It's not giving me the warm fuzzies about buying an M11 from him back in March. I bought knowing he did not have it in hand, but it was a good price and there weren't many available on the market so I jumped. Form4 to him has been approved and they should have it within a week or so. The 3 day guarantee seemed comforting to me, but I guess that's just about worthless. Hopefully the rest of the transaction will be smooth. I mean he gets a lot of shit to sell, but people need to know they are dealing with a shit stain and not blindly send him money. The 3 day guarantee is worthless, and more people need to know this. On a mac11 worst case is its a registered trigger and not a gun. Mac's weren't known for being knocked off back in the day because of their low cost. Would you fake a $125 MAC or a $2000 HK? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:12:18 PM EDT
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When I bought my Valmet m76 from him 3yrs ago, it was listed as a FA Valmet. Well it does shoot FA, but it is a married sear gun. The sear is the Reg part not the receiver. I was not 100% thrilled when I discovered this but what am I going to do? Let others know what a shitty dealer he is? I mean don't get me wrong, likely you'll never have a problem with your married sear. It's not that the gun was "bad" but the shit stain that sold it to you didn't know his left hand from his right nut sack and sold you on it. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:14:01 PM EDT
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http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/PS-45-13003548-L.jpg If I were going to buy a normal pistol/rifle these days and it looked like this I would immediately pass... As for as the Macs go I assume this is about as good of shape as I will get, or "normal" for used right? Looks like a Mac. Have more photos? What's the paperwork say? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:39:32 PM EDT
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I paid $3200 for my M11/9 last August. Hell of a deal. You just have to be patient and call around. Always have the funds available and be ready to pounce. I'm still hoping to find a $5000 M16 from some old guy who's had it for 30 years
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:46:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a Mac. Have more photos? What's the paperwork say? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/PS-45-13003548-L.jpg If I were going to buy a normal pistol/rifle these days and it looked like this I would immediately pass... As for as the Macs go I assume this is about as good of shape as I will get, or "normal" for used right? Looks like a Mac. Have more photos? What's the paperwork say? Very Very clean looking Mac 10/45 |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 4:01:45 PM EDT
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I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before. 
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar check to some random person you've never met before for a gun you've never seen in person. And after the purchase you have to wait close to year to find out if the guy you bought it from was legit or if he was scamming you and never actually owned the MG or submitted a Form 4 to the ATF. MG collectors can often buy this way as they have enough experience to spot a scammer and know all the tricks to make sure the deal is legit. As a first time buyer or small time collector you may want to avoid this risk and buy from a reputable dealer instead. Sure you will pay more but think of it as insurance. You're basically paying 10-20% more though a dealer but you have the comfort of knowing you will get the MG you purchased with no funny business. I got my M16 from a dealer and even knowing what I know now if I was buying another MG I would still pay extra for the peace of mind. Also, this is a more up to date list. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://mtmmfg.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before.
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. Well if that is the case, all the MGs I have sold were fraudulent deals. I will never provide a copy of my DL over the internet to anybody. That is downright stupid. And I do not get a paper, so I will not be buying one either, accept my pix or buy elsewhere. It is a seller market and as seller I do not need the hassle when there are far more serious buyers. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 7:34:20 PM EDT
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I'll chime in again to repeat the "be a smart buyer" statement. There are many, many makes, models, and variants of machine guns Yeah, make sure you understand what you're purchasing. MG's are now like any high-end collectible, with the newest ~30 yrs old, and many much older than that. Make sure you understand that, insofar as "trasferrables" go, - all UZI's are not created equal - all HK's are not created equal - all M16's are not created equal etc. As far as dealers go, I can add: - I've Purchased two guns from Frank, and there was a "wrinkle," so to speak, each time. But the price I got was pretty good for that market, and I did receive the items... eventually. As a number of people have stated, make sure that you understand what a 'brokered' transaction is, if you use him. - Spiwak is a good guy, with pretty good prices, for the MG market. I had a (minor) issue with a purchase from him, and he made it right, just with an email. I've bought at least 3 different guns from him, in the last couple of years or so, and with no regrets. - Never purchased from Reuben, but I can say his prices are high retail for most items. Still, might not be a bad way to start, especially for something on the low end of the spectrum (e.g., like a Reising or STEN). - Just about everyone agrees that your best "deal" will be from a private seller (e.g., arranged through Sturm, SubGuns, etc.). But as you no doubt realize, the best 'deal' will entail the most risk, and therefore legwork, on your part. "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is... " |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 7:51:17 PM EDT
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Thanks. Ya I've learned once on a "too good to be true" years back, not gun related and only 2000 but it was a stinger and I was pissssssed. sucky lesson to learn cause now I usually overpay on everything in general just so I know its from someone reputable and probably miss out on some pretty sweet deals
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Posted: 8/25/2016 12:47:16 AM EDT
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It took about 10 years after the 86 hughes amendment before collectors really started going bugshit over MGs. I think it was youtube that did it. It's a 24/7 commercial for MG ownership. If you make a real nice MG video, you might get 10 million hits on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think people are in the "how high can they actually go" boat. At this point I am willing to just get one I think. Have they actually went down ever? https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLbG-K11hJGz5zd7qUhypkJDRLpn_Dv7HDhacMtxy15IgQzXZM people have been saying MGs are too costly since before the 1934. I am sure after 83 years prices will settle down. It took about 10 years after the 86 hughes amendment before collectors really started going bugshit over MGs. I think it was youtube that did it. It's a 24/7 commercial for MG ownership. If you make a real nice MG video, you might get 10 million hits on it. Youtube didn't exist in 1996. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:02:15 AM EDT
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Prices didn't go climbing rapidly until the wide use of the internet. Before then, you had word of mouth and shotgun news classifieds.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:31:16 AM EDT
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I think people are in the "how high can they actually go" boat. At this point I am willing to just get one I think. Have they actually went down ever? https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLbG-K11hJGz5zd7qUhypkJDRLpn_Dv7HDhacMtxy15IgQzXZM people have been saying MGs are too costly since before the 1934. I am sure after 83 years prices will settle down. It took about 10 years after the 86 hughes amendment before collectors really started going bugshit over MGs. I think it was youtube that did it. It's a 24/7 commercial for MG ownership. If you make a real nice MG video, you might get 10 million hits on it. Youtube didn't exist in 1996. I think there are many factors as to why MG prices are increasing so rapidly: 1) Popularity of internet videos over the last 15 years showing civilians owning/shooting MGs has played a big role 2) Sunset of the AWB in 2004 created massive interest in the AR15 and more "Tactical" firearms, eventually leading people to MG ownership 3) More recently the use of trusts has allowed collectors in anti-gun areas to be able to avoid the Sherriff sign off and opened up NFA ownership to tens of thousands of people. 4) Baby boomers are now reaching retirement age and with a empty nest and a big 401k / Pension they can afford to drop tens of thousands of dollars on a toy, just like they would a Harley, fishing boat or a muscle car. 5) People with BIG money have seen the returns MGs have produced over the last few decades and are buying up MGs left and right as an investment, like they would with classic cars or fine art. 6) Growing population and a growing percent of firearms owners nation wide has created a surge in demand for not only MGs but all guns. 7) The supply of transferables is fixed at 175,977, but is slowly decreasing. MG ownership is quickly becoming a rich mans hobby as the average Joe is being priced out of the market. The best time to buy was 30 years ago. But for those of us who werent alive then or just didnt get into MGs until recently the best time to buy is now! |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 11:03:51 AM EDT
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http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/PS-45-13003548-L.jpg If I were going to buy a normal pistol/rifle these days and it looked like this I would immediately pass... As for as the Macs go I assume this is about as good of shape as I will get, or "normal" for used right? the condition of MGs is the same as any other gun - they range from mint unfired in the original box to completely beat to shit and everything in between. set your price accordingly. the best gun to buy for a shooter would be a "minty" VG/EXC used gun that has seen some rounds downrange but otherwise was babied. you're going to see a lot of very mint looking MGs, a lot of collectors did not fire them much if you are a Thompson man, you'll find a lot of Thompsons that are basically mint rebuilds, just like Garands were rebuilt. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 11:18:13 AM EDT
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Well if that is the case, all the MGs I have sold were fraudulent deals. I will never provide a copy of my DL over the internet to anybody. That is downright stupid. And I do not get a paper, so I will not be buying one either, accept my pix or buy elsewhere. It is a seller market and as seller I do not need the hassle when there are far more serious buyers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar / http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before.
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. Well if that is the case, all the MGs I have sold were fraudulent deals. I will never provide a copy of my DL over the internet to anybody. That is downright stupid. And I do not get a paper, so I will not be buying one either, accept my pix or buy elsewhere. It is a seller market and as seller I do not need the hassle when there are far more serious buyers. You guys make a good point about the DL. Once something goes on electronic media, it's as good as viral. But on the other hand, this stubborn attitude against making a cell phone video seems weird. You're trying to sell something that's worth anywhere from $6000 to $60000 and you refuse to point your cell phone at a gun for 60 seconds? Why not? That makes absolutely no sense to me. It's such an easy thing to do that if a private seller refused to do it I would have to assume the deal was a fraud or the guy was hiding something and cancel the purchase. What valid reason could the guy give for not doing it? His button-pushing finger is broken? He's Amish and they don't have cell phones? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 4:58:33 PM EDT
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Here's an example: A few years ago, a guy was selling a transferable SP1 RR conversion for a couple of hundred $$$ under market value -- in today's market, that would be like $18,500 or so.
The pix in his ad were tiny, fuzzy and out-of-focus; in those pix, it didn't look bad, but he did say it needed refinishing. Here is what it turned out to be -- ridden very hard, and put away wet:
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Posted: 8/25/2016 5:59:05 PM EDT
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You guys make a good point about the DL. Once something goes on electronic media, it's as good as viral. But on the other hand, this stubborn attitude against making a cell phone video seems weird. You're trying to sell something that's worth anywhere from $6000 to $60000 and you refuse to point your cell phone at a gun for 60 seconds? Why not? That makes absolutely no sense to me. It's such an easy thing to do that if a private seller refused to do it I would have to assume the deal was a fraud or the guy was hiding something and cancel the purchase. What valid reason could the guy give for not doing it? His button-pushing finger is broken? He's Amish and they don't have cell phones? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar / http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before.
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. Well if that is the case, all the MGs I have sold were fraudulent deals. I will never provide a copy of my DL over the internet to anybody. That is downright stupid. And I do not get a paper, so I will not be buying one either, accept my pix or buy elsewhere. It is a seller market and as seller I do not need the hassle when there are far more serious buyers. You guys make a good point about the DL. Once something goes on electronic media, it's as good as viral. But on the other hand, this stubborn attitude against making a cell phone video seems weird. You're trying to sell something that's worth anywhere from $6000 to $60000 and you refuse to point your cell phone at a gun for 60 seconds? Why not? That makes absolutely no sense to me. It's such an easy thing to do that if a private seller refused to do it I would have to assume the deal was a fraud or the guy was hiding something and cancel the purchase. What valid reason could the guy give for not doing it? His button-pushing finger is broken? He's Amish and they don't have cell phones? The simplest answer is it is sellers market and the seller does not have to do this in order to sell the item. The other reason in my experience is picture collectors are not gun collectors. Another reason is if you were serious you would get on a plane and inspect it first hand. IME real buyers ask relevant questions, tire kickers want more pictures. YMMV. It does not hurt my feelings if you think the deal is a fraud, I can sell to the next guy in line. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 7:41:59 PM EDT
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So anyway, go buy an MG before they cost more.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 10:22:31 PM EDT
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I recently purchased a MG from John at NFASALES.COM The entire transaction was great.
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Posted: 3/9/2017 3:46:21 PM EDT
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Looks like David and Ruben are the most recommended dealers.
Anyone care to share how firm they are on their prices? |
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Posted: 3/9/2017 11:07:58 PM EDT
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Looks like David and Ruben are the most recommended dealers. Anyone care to share how firm they are on their prices? Call them and make an offer. Worst that could happen is they'll say "no". Once you zero in on what gun you want, the typical selling price range isn't that hard to figure out. |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 8:56:00 AM EDT
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Looks like David and Ruben are the most recommended dealers. Anyone care to share how firm they are on their prices? FIRM, it's still a seller's market and I've made offers to both dealers and recently bought from David. |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 10:11:14 AM EDT
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Looks like David and Ruben are the most recommended dealers. Anyone care to share how firm they are on their prices? Never talked with David but Ruben is very firm, he wouldn't budge on any of his prices, he also has probably the highest prices out there but he has a good reputation and people are willing to pay extra for that. FWIW Frank is pretty well known and seems to deal with some pretty high volumes of MG sales. I once heard he had a reputation of misrepresenting firearms, like selling a "Colt M16" and only showing low quality photos and when the buyer gets the MG its actually a "Colt AR15" kind of thing. Not sure if that's true or not but that's the rumors I heard. Somehow I got signed up for his weekly newsletter, its every Thursday morning at 6-8am and its full of some pretty awesome deals. He seems to now post high res photos and good descriptions. But as the previous poster said, it is a sellers market and probably always will be. In what other market can a seller ask you to pay tens of thousands of dollars UP FRONT and then deliver the item a year later  Granted the year delay is the ATFs fault not theirs but still, you would think the would take payment on delivery. When I bought my M16 the dealer posted it and a AK47 at noon, the AK47 sold in under an hour and by time I saw it and called at 4pm he had already had a dozen calls about it.
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Posted: 7/30/2017 2:17:21 PM EDT
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Seems like Frank has decent prices and more frequent offerings compared to David and Ruben.
Can someone check my understanding on non C&R transfers? Form 4s are about 1 year right now and Form 3s are around 3 months right now. When he says he has a gun coming in on a Form 3... that's from another dealer to him, then a Form 3 to my in state dealer, and then a Form 4 to me. ~1.5 years When it's coming in on a Form 4... that's from a private seller to him, then a form 3 to my in state dealer, then a Form 4 to me. ~2 years |
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Posted: 7/30/2017 2:40:41 PM EDT
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From what I've heard a form 4 from an individual to a dealer doesn't take as long as a form 4 from dealer to individual. I think I just heard of a individual to dealer form 4 submitted in may 2017 being approved during July.
Form 3's are currently taking 3-4 weeks for approval. Your time frames are also probably very high on the dealer to individual form 4's. If you submit now, most likely it'll be much less than a year wait. The huge pile of pre 41f is supposedly cleared by now, and there were WAY less submissions post 41f. People are estimating a submission today to take about 6 months. But that is just an estimate. Either way it'll be less than a year. If you find something you want, don't let the wait dissuade you. Either way that time will come and go. In the end you'll either have an MG or you won't . |
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