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Posted: 10/23/2016 2:34:32 PM EDT

I tried asking this in reloading but didn't get any replies.

I'm wanting to stock up on powder so I can make rounds for my Havoc/Kaos launcher. Last year I bought a bottle of Pyrodex FFG but in my reading it seems FFFG Black Powder is the way to go.

Is this correct? Does brand matter?

Somewhat related....where do yall buy fuse and tubing at?

Thanks

-Emt1581

Posted: 10/24/2016 2:24:06 PM EDT

[#1]

I get stuff from American Specialty Ammo and from Reloadable Shells.

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/

http://reloadableshells.com/

I've used fffg equivalent Pyrodex in my 26.5mm launcher that I've made into a registered DD. It's worked well for home made smoke bombs etc.

I just bought that because it was what was available locally and I didn't want to deal with the hazmat fees and to date it's worked well enough.

Posted: 10/24/2016 5:13:37 PM EDT

[#2]

Depends on what type of shell you are loading.

I use pistol powder in my shells. Some shells take black power, others take smokeless powder.

Posted: 10/24/2016 5:59:10 PM EDT

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Depends on what type of shell you are loading.

I use pistol powder in my shells. Some shells take black power, others take smokeless powder.

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In 37mm...what shells can use smokeless??

EDIT: Nevermind, I remember those. I think the disks turn me off because it's another component to worry about instead of just the shell and primer.

I use the anodized aluminum shells, I think they're from American Specialty.

Thanks

-Emt1581

Posted: 10/25/2016 4:49:20 PM EDT

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Yes, I found the two piece shells with the smokeless powder blank and the copper bursting disk too much trouble as well.

Posted: 10/26/2016 2:46:28 PM EDT

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Yes, I found the two piece shells with the smokeless powder blank and the copper bursting disk too much trouble as well.

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Yes, I agree. I use the reloadableshells ones, and while great, the copper disks do cause concern.

An idea, and please tell me if Im wrong, but do you think the copper piece from gas checks would work? Can you get just the gas check piece if you cast your own lead bullets?

Posted: 10/26/2016 5:27:22 PM EDT

[#6]

Yes you can buy gaschecks, I dont know if they would work or not because its a small cup instead of a flat disk.but it would be much cheaper to buy copper sheet and a punch.

Posted: 10/26/2016 10:15:00 PM EDT

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Picked up the FFFG at my dealers tonight. He got me 2lbs. Not sure how many rounds that'll give me. But he said the distributor only gave him the two. Then he said something about there being limits of how much can be transported because of how sensitive black powder is compared to smokeless. Anything to that or was it just BS?

-Emt1581

Posted: 10/27/2016 7:19:35 AM EDT

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The ffff black powder is intended for use with Flint lock as a ignition powder in the pan.
fff black powder is intended for pistol powder

if is intended for rifle use.

For lift charge I use pyrodex P and it works well.

The thing with black powder: it is measured by volume not weight
So 50 grs of ffff is not the same as 50 grs of ffff. With the finer grind you can easy over pressure the shell.

The ffff powder will be great for burst charge.

I buy my fuse and stuff from cannon fuse.com I make my own projectile from cardboard tubes old film cans and 5hour energy drink. And lot of hot melt glue.

Posted: 10/27/2016 9:50:22 AM EDT

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Picked up the FFFG at my dealers tonight. He got me 2lbs. Not sure how many rounds that'll give me. But he said the distributor only gave him the two. Then he said something about there being limits of how much can be transported because of how sensitive black powder is compared to smokeless. Anything to that or was it just BS?

-Emt1581

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Unless you have more restrictive local laws, it is 50lbs. Which is kind of ironic since 25-50 lb of smokeless power in a private vehicle requires a portable magazine.

Posted: 10/27/2016 10:51:15 AM EDT

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The ffff black powder is intended for use with Flint lock as a ignition powder in the pan.
fff black powder is intended for pistol powder

if is intended for rifle use.

For lift charge I use pyrodex P and it works well.

The thing with black powder: it is measured by volume not weight
So 50 grs of ffff is not the same as 50 grs of ffff. With the finer grind you can easy over pressure the shell.

The ffff powder will be great for burst charge.

I buy my fuse and stuff from cannon fuse.com I make my own projectile from cardboard tubes old film cans and 5hour energy drink. And lot of hot melt glue.

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Is fffg useless for 37mm? If not how do I use it?

What specific cannon fuse is best?

I also have ffg pyrodex but I was told thats last resort for 37mm...no?

Thanks!

-Emt1581

Posted: 10/27/2016 11:00:30 AM EDT

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Is fffg useless for 37mm? If not how do I use it?

What specific cannon fuse is best?

I also have ffg pyrodex but I was told thats last resort for 37mm...no?

Thanks!

-Emt1581

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The ffff black powder is intended for use with Flint lock as a ignition powder in the pan.
fff black powder is intended for pistol powder

if is intended for rifle use.

For lift charge I use pyrodex P and it works well.

The thing with black powder: it is measured by volume not weight
So 50 grs of ffff is not the same as 50 grs of ffff. With the finer grind you can easy over pressure the shell.

The ffff powder will be great for burst charge.

I buy my fuse and stuff from cannon fuse.com I make my own projectile from cardboard tubes old film cans and 5hour energy drink. And lot of hot melt glue.

Is fffg useless for 37mm? If not how do I use it?

What specific cannon fuse is best?

I also have ffg pyrodex but I was told thats last resort for 37mm...no?

Thanks!

-Emt1581

Pyrodex P is the pyrodex equivalent for FFFg you have the right stuff.

Any standard visco fuze is good for igniting payloads.

Posted: 10/27/2016 1:08:54 PM EDT

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Pyrodex P is the pyrodex equivalent for FFFg you have the right stuff.

Any standard visco fuze is good for igniting payloads.

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The ffff black powder is intended for use with Flint lock as a ignition powder in the pan.
fff black powder is intended for pistol powder

if is intended for rifle use.

For lift charge I use pyrodex P and it works well.

The thing with black powder: it is measured by volume not weight
So 50 grs of ffff is not the same as 50 grs of ffff. With the finer grind you can easy over pressure the shell.

The ffff powder will be great for burst charge.

I buy my fuse and stuff from cannon fuse.com I make my own projectile from cardboard tubes old film cans and 5hour energy drink. And lot of hot melt glue.

Is fffg useless for 37mm? If not how do I use it?

What specific cannon fuse is best?

I also have ffg pyrodex but I was told thats last resort for 37mm...no?

Thanks!

-Emt1581

Pyrodex P is the pyrodex equivalent for FFFg you have the right stuff.

Any standard visco fuze is good for igniting payloads.

My black powder says fffg. My pyrodex says ffg.

Just want to make sure both are ok.

Thanks

-Emt1581

Posted: 10/27/2016 9:50:24 PM EDT

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Pyrodex P is the pyrodex equivalent for FFFg you have the right stuff.

Any standard visco fuze is good for igniting payloads.

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Also, if there's visco fuze for smoke, signal, or burst/report payloads, it helps to slice the end of the fuze off at an angle to expose more of the powder core, and to paint the fuze with nitrocellulose lacquer (nail polish) and dip that in some of the lift charge powder so it ignites for sure.

Often the lift charge blows so fast, and cools so quickly, especially in wide bores like a launcher that you don't get reliable ignition of bare fuze alone.

Posted: 10/28/2016 7:27:40 AM EDT

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Also, if there's visco fuze for smoke, signal, or burst/report payloads, it helps to slice the end of the fuze off at an angle to expose more of the powder core, and to paint the fuze with nitrocellulose lacquer (nail polish) and dip that in some of the lift charge powder so it ignites for sure.

Often the lift charge blows so fast, and cools so quickly, especially in wide bores like a launcher that you don't get reliable ignition of bare fuze alone.

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Pyrodex P is the pyrodex equivalent for FFFg you have the right stuff.

Any standard visco fuze is good for igniting payloads.

Also, if there's visco fuze for smoke, signal, or burst/report payloads, it helps to slice the end of the fuze off at an angle to expose more of the powder core, and to paint the fuze with nitrocellulose lacquer (nail polish) and dip that in some of the lift charge powder so it ignites for sure.

Often the lift charge blows so fast, and cools so quickly, especially in wide bores like a launcher that you don't get reliable ignition of bare fuze alone.

Yeah as AJ stated you definetly need to prime the fuze. Real NC lacquer can be ordered from places like skylighter, or a reasonable substitute is dissolving ping-pong balls in acetone if you don't want to buy a full quart. Fine FFFFg works great for priming the fuze. Also when you cut the fuze use a sharp razor blade to avoid crushing the fuze core. It will help with reliability.

Posted: 11/13/2016 4:04:54 PM EDT

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Does color of the fuse matter? At www.cannonfuse.com they have $7-$8 "ugly fuse" in red and pink and you get 50-65 feet of it. Not sure what they get for shipping. I just want to make sure I get the right stuff.

If it helps, this will mainly be just for igniting whatever payload I stick in the tubes rather than cutting small pieces up to make firework rounds. However, that being said, I'll probably experiment with those as well.

Thanks

-Emt1581

Posted: 11/13/2016 4:28:42 PM EDT

[#16]

You need to watch how fast it burns

I use the red/white/blue from cannon fuse . com

Posted: 11/13/2016 8:45:01 PM EDT

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Does color of the fuse matter? At www.cannonfuse.com they have $7-$8 "ugly fuse" in red and pink and you get 50-65 feet of it. Not sure what they get for shipping. I just want to make sure I get the right stuff.

If it helps, this will mainly be just for igniting whatever payload I stick in the tubes rather than cutting small pieces up to make firework rounds. However, that being said, I'll probably experiment with those as well.

Thanks

-Emt1581

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The Pink is labeled as falling leaf. This is meant to be cut up and used as a payload. The pieces actually burn like a little mini road flare with a pink flame.

The red is standard visco and good for igniting payloads. Make sure you test burn a piece of each lot to determine burn rates.

Posted: 12/6/2016 12:29:38 AM EDT

[#18]

tagging as i just got a 37mm

Posted: 4/4/2017 1:46:26 PM EDT

[#19]

BLACK to send it . Misc pyro powder for breakers etc...

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