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Posted: 6/20/2022 4:32:42 AM EDT
[#1]
Here's another vote for making a xeno brake for 9/16x24 barrels. A lot of my threaded 30 cal rifles from the late 90s are 9/16x24 because that's how the AWC Thundertrap came back in the day.
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Posted: 6/20/2022 9:45:44 AM EDT
[#2]
Are there still no xeno muzzle devices that can bring a 13.7 or 13.9” barrel to 16”?
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Posted: 6/20/2022 10:53:57 AM EDT
[#3]
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Posted: 6/20/2022 3:16:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would likely require a new-design XL length mount to make room for a new-design extended muzzle device to fit in most can’s blast chamber. Or a muzzle device that moves the left hand MD threads quite a bit forward of the barrel crown, effectively creating a barrel extension with little benefit (in terms of velocity, muzzle pressure, or expansion chamber) except length at the cost of weight on the muzzle. An extended mount or thread coupler would likely be the most efficient approach if a long-nose brake (ugh) or flash hider were made. Demand for that barrel length application is likely so low that I doubt the effort could be done cost effectively. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are there still no xeno muzzle devices that can bring a 13.7 or 13.9” barrel to 16”? Would likely require a new-design XL length mount to make room for a new-design extended muzzle device to fit in most can’s blast chamber. Or a muzzle device that moves the left hand MD threads quite a bit forward of the barrel crown, effectively creating a barrel extension with little benefit (in terms of velocity, muzzle pressure, or expansion chamber) except length at the cost of weight on the muzzle. An extended mount or thread coupler would likely be the most efficient approach if a long-nose brake (ugh) or flash hider were made. Demand for that barrel length application is likely so low that I doubt the effort could be done cost effectively. I’m also really curious how many guys have 13.7s and either A) don’t have pistols or B) don’t have SBRs And just want them pinned I can’t imagine it’s a large sample |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 2:41:31 AM EDT
[#5]
Anyone have any insight on Xeno blast cans coming out from any manufacturer?
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Posted: 7/2/2022 8:21:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have any insight on Xeno blast cans coming out from any manufacturer? https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/mounts-and-pistons/hansohn-blast-diverter/ Just add Xeno mount (DA455).  |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 6:49:02 PM EDT
[#7]
@Mageever
Any update on the 3/4 x 24 xeno muzzle devices you said were in production a while ago? Know where they will be available for purchase? Really want to ditch my Area 419 "non-mating-taper" system now. Thanks |
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Posted: 7/10/2022 11:58:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Mageever Any update on the 3/4 x 24 xeno muzzle devices you said were in production a while ago? Know where they will be available for purchase? Really want to ditch my Area 419 "non-mating-taper" system now. Thanks I don't think I said it was in production, but parts are in the queue for me to test. We have stated that we have a big bore Xeno coming. I can't say anything beyond that. Sorry! |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 12:10:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2022 12:56:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It should be possible to start with a 1/2-28 muzzle device and bore and rethread on a lathe to 9/16-24. Another alternative is to just buy the 5/8-24 DA muzzle device and use Precision Armament’s excellent thread adapters. I did that with a Sabre 6.5 Grendel barrel with 9/16-24 muzzle and got perfect concentricity. They single point both threads in one operation and control thread start to leave as much meat as possible between the close diameters. With a sub-caliber adapters are very low risk. With a long can on a .30 it’s possible for a tolerance stacking issue to arise but the PA adapter tolerances are very tight so of all adapters they are your best shot. Easy enough to try across a few hosts for $25. Thanks, bro. Didn't know PA made good thread adapters so cheap! |
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Posted: 7/11/2022 1:53:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2022 5:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I said it was in production, but parts are in the queue for me to test. We have stated that we have a big bore Xeno coming. I can't say anything beyond that. Sorry! Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think I said it was in production, but parts are in the queue for me to test. We have stated that we have a big bore Xeno coming. I can't say anything beyond that. Sorry! @Mageever, I was referring to this post from you back at the end of Jan. this year: Quoted: Quoted: Very happy to see the .45+ bore on the 5/8 x24. Now all I need is a 3/4 x24 for the fatties, and I'm switchin. Sorry to keep bugging you Todd, but did we ever get confirmation that you have plans to release a xeno device in that pitch (3/4 x24) in the future? Thank you! Designed, released, and in queue with the machine shop a few miles from me where I can do a first article inspection on production units when they come off the machine.  It made it sound like they were around the corner, but I don't know shit about the time it takes from machining to releasing parts for retail. I guess I thought "about ready for testing" meant "about ready for prime time". *Meant in a non pushy, not-really-in-a-big-hurry, but still want the parts tone* Sorry to keep buggin, thanks. |
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Posted: 7/12/2022 3:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Sorry to keep buggin, thanks. You're cool. I'm the same way with all this right now. I've been doing a lot of big bore shooting lately so I'm really excited to get this into the market. The designs are released, but yeah, it can take a long time if the shop is busy with production parts and then I need to validate the design and make sure it meets the ends of what we set out to do. Sometimes it's speedy. Sometimes we need to change a minor detail and rev the prints and get back in line at the shop. This is what has happened on this one. There's always the delicate decision of spooling up another shop to make your stuff, but that takes a very long time because if we're going to work with a new partner it's a very a close relationship and we're not just farming it out. Once we show the design is good and production can make it to spec, then we'll release it to market.
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Posted: 7/12/2022 9:19:12 PM EDT
[#14]
Appreciate you taking the time to write the update. You the man.
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Posted: 7/16/2022 12:54:52 PM EDT
[#15]
Quick question…I know I knew this at one point when I was looking at and ordering all of the xeno parts, but my nomad 30 just came in and I’m about to set everything up. I’m about to install xeno flashhiders/brakes. Two on 5.56s and two on 300 BLKs.
Do I need to use a crush washer? I was thinking “no” but it looked like there was one installed in the dead air xeno video. Also, tighten to around, 20-25 ft/lbs, correct? |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 1:06:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick question…I know I knew this at one point when I was looking at and ordering all of the xeno parts, but my nomad 30 just came in and I’m about to set everything up. I’m about to install xeno flashhiders/brakes. Two on 5.56s and two on 300 BLKs. Do I need to use a crush washer? I was thinking “no” but it looked like there was one installed in the dead air xeno video. Also, tighten to around, 20-25 ft/lbs, correct? I don’t and wouldn’t use the crush washer. I used a shim kit for the flash hider to get the correct timing. You are correct, 20-25 ft/lb. |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 1:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick question…I know I knew this at one point when I was looking at and ordering all of the xeno parts, but my nomad 30 just came in and I’m about to set everything up. I’m about to install xeno flashhiders/brakes. Two on 5.56s and two on 300 BLKs. Do I need to use a crush washer? I was thinking “no” but it looked like there was one installed in the dead air xeno video. Also, tighten to around, 20-25 ft/lbs, correct? I second not using crush washers with FH or brakes with suppressors. Like Tula said, you can use a shim kit if you want it to time/line up for asthetics, but with the xeno FH's and brakes, no timing is necessary so just thread it on and torque to 20 ft/lbs is fine. If it was DA would include shims with the xeno muzzle devices. |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 4:04:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Thanks guys. That’s what my gut said so thanks for the confirmation.
Just got them put on and about to go try it out. |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 4:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks guys. That’s what my gut said so thanks for the confirmation. Just got them put on and about to go try it out. Lucky. I've already got all my Xeno parts and E-brake sitting here collecting dust while my Nomad L is still incarcerated. |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 5:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lucky. I've already got all my Xeno parts and E-brake sitting here collecting dust while my Nomad L is still incarcerated. I did the efile thing mid-February and it was approved this week. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 9:17:01 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks guys. That’s what my gut said so thanks for the confirmation. Just got them put on and about to go try it out. 
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Posted: 9/10/2022 1:48:16 PM EDT
[#22]
FPM gun works is making new xeno compatible devices. I DM'd the account and they stated they may also make a xeno version of their sparkler (3 prong, open end FH).
I hope this means rearden has stuff in the works, or is atleast thinking about making xeno stuff.  Edit: I quickly read through this last page, and didn't see any mention. But it appears forward controls also makes a xeno FH: https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/6315xe-12-x-28.html |
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Posted: 9/11/2022 12:34:03 AM EDT
[#23]
Nice update! Going to grab some FCD Xenos!
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Posted: 9/11/2022 3:54:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FPM gun works is making new xeno compatible devices. I DM'd the account and they stated they may also make a xeno version of their sparkler (3 prong, open end FH). I hope this means rearden has stuff in the works, or is atleast thinking about making xeno stuff. https://i.ibb.co/JqMb58G/Screenshot-20220908-112854-Instagram.jpg Edit: I quickly read through this last page, and didn't see any mention. But it appears forward controls also makes a xeno FH: https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/6315xe-12-x-28.html Quote HistoryQuoted: FPM gun works is making new xeno compatible devices. I DM'd the account and they stated they may also make a xeno version of their sparkler (3 prong, open end FH). I hope this means rearden has stuff in the works, or is atleast thinking about making xeno stuff. https://i.ibb.co/JqMb58G/Screenshot-20220908-112854-Instagram.jpg Edit: I quickly read through this last page, and didn't see any mention. But it appears forward controls also makes a xeno FH: https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/6315xe-12-x-28.html Dead Air hasn't had any communications with FPM gun works, so I can safely say there is no guarantee that these are truly Xeno compatible. I strongly recommend avoiding them. The issue is that they're not working with exact specs and there's also zero assurance of quality. It also means that if something bad happens with your suppressor, it'll be your own fault. I doubt it will be theirs either, because companies that are making knockoffs don't stand behind the problems their products cause. Quoted: Nice update! Going to grab some FCD Xenos! Forward Controls Design products are absolutely good to go! |
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Posted: 9/12/2022 4:36:35 PM EDT
[#25]
Sweet Ive been waiting for the FC Stoner design Xeno.
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Posted: 9/12/2022 5:14:10 PM EDT
[#26]
M18x1.5 needed
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Posted: 9/12/2022 11:33:29 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead Air hasn't had any communications with FPM gun works, so I can safely say there is no guarantee that these are truly Xeno compatible. I strongly recommend avoiding them. The issue is that they're not working with exact specs and there's also zero assurance of quality. It also means that if something bad happens with your suppressor, it'll be your own fault. I doubt it will be theirs either, because companies that are making knockoffs don't stand behind the problems their products cause. Interesting |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:47:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Dead Xeno Wee Brakes, in stock now. .38 caliber bore so good to go on your 9mm and smaller calibers plus no shims required.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 9:17:30 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryThe temptation is real every time I scroll by this to pick one up… |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:45:00 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead Xeno Wee Brakes, in stock now. .38 caliber bore so good to go on your 9mm and smaller calibers plus no shims required. https://hansohnbrothers.com/sk/uploads/Wee_Brake.png Wonder if this would fit a helios qd w/ xeno mount? |
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Posted: 9/16/2022 12:27:16 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead Xeno Wee Brakes, in stock now. .38 caliber bore so good to go on your 9mm and smaller calibers plus no shims required. https://hansohnbrothers.com/sk/uploads/Wee_Brake.png I’m going order those to put on my wife’s guns just because of the name. |
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Posted: 9/16/2022 1:33:57 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if this would fit a helios qd w/ xeno mount? Methinks it will. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:41:03 AM EDT
[#33]
I may have missed this but are there torque specs for xeno installation? Or is it just add rockset and tighten real good. I didn't see anything on the deadair website
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Posted: 9/28/2022 12:07:10 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I may have missed this but are there torque specs for xeno installation? Or is it just add rockset and tighten real good. I didn't see anything on the deadair website According to Dead Air it's 25 ft lbs.  The Xeno Threaded Taper Mount | All you need to know |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 12:24:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I may have missed this but are there torque specs for xeno installation? Or is it just add rockset and tighten real good. I didn't see anything on the deadair website According to Dead Air it's 25 ft lbs.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoYnaqkTmYMThanks man! |
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Posted: 11/6/2022 8:07:09 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FPM gun works is making new xeno compatible devices. I DM'd the account and they stated they may also make a xeno version of their sparkler (3 prong, open end FH). I hope this means rearden has stuff in the works, or is atleast thinking about making xeno stuff. https://i.ibb.co/JqMb58G/Screenshot-20220908-112854-Instagram.jpg Edit: I quickly read through this last page, and didn't see any mention. But it appears forward controls also makes a xeno FH: https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/6315xe-12-x-28.html Rearden has told me several times they have no interest in xeno. |
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Posted: 11/6/2022 1:55:10 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rearden has told me several times they have no interest in xeno. That's surprising. Why are they Xenophobic? |
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Posted: 11/6/2022 4:09:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's surprising. Why are they Xenophobic? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rearden has told me several times they have no interest in xeno. That's surprising. Why are they Xenophobic? ??? Did they change their minds? 
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Posted: 11/7/2022 1:38:07 AM EDT
[#39]
So ETA on 3/4x24 (SR25 compatible hopefully?) and M18x1?
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Posted: 11/7/2022 2:07:32 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's surprising. Why are they Xenophobic? He told me that when he tested it, it just didnt work for him as a good mount. Which I find suspect I gotta be honest. He says he signed up to be on the list of licensed manufacturers, but changed his mind. So, I have a new discovery DA129 and DA130. A few websites are listing these item numbers as a 3 prong. DA129 is 1/2-28 and DA130 is 5/8-24. Way back 2 years ago before Xeno was actually released, dealer websites started listing the skus, just like this new DA129 and 130 before the products were officially announced by Dead Air I wonder if these will be the device long enough for a 13.9 P&W |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 2:29:30 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ??? Did they change their minds? I think so because it was in July that he said he wasnt doing xeno, and this post is from 50 weeks ago where he said its in the works. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 11:08:36 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He told me that when he tested it, it just didnt work for him as a good mount. Which I find suspect I gotta be honest. He says he signed up to be on the list of licensed manufacturers, but changed his mind. So, I have a new discovery DA129 and DA130. A few websites are listing these item numbers as a 3 prong. DA129 is 1/2-28 and DA130 is 5/8-24. Way back 2 years ago before Xeno was actually released, dealer websites started listing the skus, just like this new DA129 and 130 before the products were officially announced by Dead Air I wonder if these will be the device long enough for a 13.9 P&W |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 12:59:07 PM EDT
[#43]
It is not listed on Hansohn Brother yet, and they consistently list Da products before they are actually for sale so I'm not too excited...yet
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:27:47 PM EDT
[#44]
Hey @Mageever Todd, any thoughts on a Xeno adapter for the Saker series? I know yall go a lot going on right now.
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:45:38 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey @Mageever Todd, any thoughts on a Xeno adapter for the Saker series? I know yall go a lot going on right now. +1 I thought I heard this was in the works at some point in the past. My Saker is basically a DT can now, it would be nice to be able to use it on some of my Xeno'd guns since I don't see myself going back. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:03:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 I thought I heard this was in the works at some point in the past. My Saker is basically a DT can now, it would be nice to be able to use it on some of my Xeno'd guns since I don't see myself going back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey @Mageever Todd, any thoughts on a Xeno adapter for the Saker series? I know yall go a lot going on right now. +1 I thought I heard this was in the works at some point in the past. My Saker is basically a DT can now, it would be nice to be able to use it on some of my Xeno'd guns since I don't see myself going back. Yeah. I'd like to do the same. Hopefully Todd will hear our plea! |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:20:58 PM EDT
[#47]
Any chance there's a 5/8x32 in the works for big bore primal users?
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:46:18 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any chance there's a 5/8x32 in the works for big bore primal users? Let us get standard big bore stuff like muzzle index 3/4x24 and M18x1 first! |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 12:16:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Someone really need to come out with a 2 chamber .308 brake and some big bore mounts for the primal…
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Posted: 1/6/2023 8:45:51 PM EDT
[#50]
@Mageever
Why no 14x1LH Xeno? You no love AK?  Also, have any of the 3rd party Xeno muzzle devices hit the streets yet? Other than that one LMT brake, I haven't seen anything. It kind of sucks to have only 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 threading.  I had to get some Griffin Plan A to fill in the gaps. |
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