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Posted: 5/1/2019 12:35:17 PM EDT
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@Aramark
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Posted: 5/1/2019 12:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume that the Kraken isn't .300BO super friendly? |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:19:39 PM EDT
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Primarily Aluminum, so I wouldn't try it. I bought it for pistols only. I've got a Sandman-K, Sandman-L and Nomad for .300. I could see getting an Omega 9k/BH Mini Boss or Dead Air Wolf/Wolfman for .300, but I wouldn't want to use an aluminum can for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I assume that the Kraken isn't .300BO super friendly? I could see getting an Omega 9k/BH Mini Boss or Dead Air Wolf/Wolfman for .300, but I wouldn't want to use an aluminum can for it. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:48:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense and thanks to you and @paco_ramirez for clarifying. I am considering going over to nearly completely .300BO and I think I may need another pistol can rated for .300BO supers on a 3 lug. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wolfman/Wolf 9 SD would be my two choices for a supersonic Blackout silencer that's also 9mm capable. I also saw that Capitol Armory had Wolf 9 SDs in stock. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:56:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:58:13 PM EDT
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Mind detailing why you would take it over an Omega 9k? |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:05:14 PM EDT
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When is this "keymicro" going to be revealed?
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:11:30 PM EDT
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Because I know how the Wolf series is put together and it's much stronger than an Omega 9K. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mind detailing why you would take it over an Omega 9k?  . Good in that I’ve been eyeing the Wolf/Wolfman, bad in that I thought my recently approved Omega 9K is pretty good.
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because I know how the Wolf series is put together and it's much stronger than an Omega 9K. I could see worrying more if you wanted to up the ante and move to 6.8 or other rifle rounds. The Wolf and Wolfman are also nice if you want a modular option. I think I want a Wolf just for the extra short option. I want to put a super short can on a 7.5" 6.8 build. If anyone has recommendations, I'm open to them 
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s good and bad . Good in that I’ve been eyeing the Wolf/Wolfman, bad in that I thought my recently approved Omega 9K is pretty good. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:21:35 PM EDT
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Just because the Wolf series is stronger doesn't mean the 9K is weak, it just means the Wolf series is stronger. I wouldn't worry about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That’s good and bad . Good in that I’ve been eyeing the Wolf/Wolfman, bad in that I thought my recently approved Omega 9K is pretty good. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:28:15 PM EDT
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Given how few have full auto's and the lack of failure reports, the Omega 9k seems to hold up just fine. I could see worrying more if you wanted to up the ante and move to 6.8 or other rifle rounds. The Wolf and Wolfman are also nice if you want a modular option. I think I want a Wolf just for the extra short option. I want to put a super short can on a 7.5" 6.8 build. If anyone has recommendations, I'm open to them |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHmm, I would have thought the numbers would have been better than those. Discounting the use of the wipe, the numbers shown aren’t better for a 9mm carbine than what Rugged shows for the smaller diameter and slightly lighter Obsidian 9. Rugged claims 128.5/120.9 for a carbine and DA 129.0/122.1 for an MP5. The wipe only drops it 3db on 9mm in the short configuration, but it drops it a whopping 10db on .300 BO.
Kind of on the fence, since I’d be using it on 9mm PCCs. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vox K? 
It's certainly a possibility. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:51:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmm, I would have thought the numbers would have been better than those. Discounting the use of the wipe, the numbers shown aren’t better for a 9mm carbine than what Rugged shows for the smaller diameter and slightly lighter Obsidian 9. Rugged claims 128.5/120.9 for a carbine and DA 129.0/122.1 for an MP5. The wipe only drops it 3db on 9mm in the short configuration, but it drops it a whopping 10db on .300 BO. Kind of on the fence, since I’d be using it on 9mm PCCs. ETA proof: 
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Posted: 5/1/2019 5:00:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rugged's advertised numbers with the Obsidian 9 are all achieved with Freedom Munitions Hush 165gr 9mm ammo according to them on their own Instagram page. They're lower numbers because it's under powered ammo, even for subs. It's not directly comparable to Dead Airs numbers. This is a prime example of why companies need to at a minimum tell people directly what ammo they're advertising numbers with, like Dead Air is doing. If they don't post the ammo type to accompany the dB numbers, like what Rugged did, it'll confuse people into thinking that something is quieter when in reality it's louder. ETA proof: https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/58579439_10216250968281621_2010183812813684736_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=2a82a203a17db85a247be5e736a45bf5&oe=5D6165FF It's what you buy if you're going all out for the lowest numbers possible. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 5:02:40 PM EDT
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165gr is what you used when getting your low numbers with the Kraken, right? It's what you buy if you're going all out for the lowest numbers possible. But back on track with Dead Air, I don't want to detract from the Wolfman topic at all. I was just adding info to eliminate confusion. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 6:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rugged's advertised numbers with the Obsidian 9 are all achieved with Freedom Munitions Hush 165gr 9mm ammo according to them on their own Instagram page. They're lower numbers because it's under powered ammo, even for subs. It's not directly comparable to Dead Airs numbers. This is a prime example of why companies need to at a minimum tell people directly what ammo they're advertising numbers with, like Dead Air is doing. If they don't post the ammo type to accompany the dB numbers, like what Rugged did, it'll confuse people into thinking that something is quieter or close to similar performance when in reality it's not. ETA proof: https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/58579439_10216250968281621_2010183812813684736_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=2a82a203a17db85a247be5e736a45bf5&oe=5D6165FF |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 6:43:30 PM EDT
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Todd uses UMC and Aguila 147s. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 7:19:28 PM EDT
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How much 5.56 punishment can it take? I know semi-auto has been mentioned, but does that mean mag dumps OK, or limited rate of fire with cool downs?
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Posted: 5/2/2019 7:03:11 PM EDT
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I saw in an IG comment section that the Wolfman wipe endcap will fit the Sandman series. I assume that means it will fit the Nomad as well?
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Posted: 5/2/2019 7:04:02 PM EDT
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I saw in an IG comment section that the Wolfman wipe endcap will fit the Sandman series. I assume that means it will fit the Nomad as well? |
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Posted: 5/2/2019 7:18:38 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a wolf in for service? I sent mine in back in February, due to a baffle strike. Can was bad out of the box. Apparently im getting a wolfman back instead. It's just taking forever. |
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Posted: 5/2/2019 7:52:19 PM EDT
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It looks like the serial number is over the blast chamber so welding on the new configuration baffle stack is well within accepted norms for a repair.
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Posted: 5/2/2019 8:08:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2019 8:19:49 PM EDT
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I saw in an IG comment section that the Wolfman wipe endcap will fit the Sandman series. I assume that means it will fit the Nomad as well? |
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Posted: 5/2/2019 8:33:20 PM EDT
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Correct! 
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Posted: 5/3/2019 3:27:22 AM EDT
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If the wolfman can be used in semi 16" 6.8spc I'm definitely buying one soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can still get the Kraken direct from CGS for $400 if you call them. I asked Dead Air about using the Wolf 9 on a 7.5" 6.8 SBR in semi auto and they said it would be fine.
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Posted: 5/3/2019 3:29:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So this is quieter than the Sandman-L with 300blk? |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 3:30:51 AM EDT
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Is it? According to the specs on the DA website, both are 1.618” diameter. The Wolfman is slightly shorter (7.5” vs 7.58”) and slightly lighter (14.4 oz vs 14.7 oz) in full length. The main difference seems to be in the short configuration in that the Wolfman split is at about 2/3 length whereas the Wolf is at about half length. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now I’m a little confused - is the Wolfman more or less robust than the Wolf? Beefier |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 3:31:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI suddenly want a 7.5" barrel for the first time ever.
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Posted: 5/3/2019 3:34:05 AM EDT
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Because I know how the Wolf series is put together and it's much stronger than an Omega 9K. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mind detailing why you would take it over an Omega 9k? |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 3:50:19 AM EDT
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@Mageever So just to be clear from our email, the Wolfman is rated full auto for 9x39? On that note, is the Ghost M and the Wolf 9SD? Quote HistoryQuoted:
@Mageever So just to be clear from our email, the Wolfman is rated full auto for 9x39? On that note, is the Ghost M and the Wolf 9SD? Quoted:
How much 5.56 punishment can it take? I know semi-auto has been mentioned, but does that mean mag dumps OK, or limited rate of fire with cool downs? To answer your question more directly about how much punishment it can take, I've burned the cerakote off them running mag dumps. I tried to simulate someone that picked up their buddy's full auto and shot a can not knowing it was a light duty rifle can. Realize who you're talking to. Dead Air is a hard-use company, so our "light duty rifle" rating is probably more like other company's "normal" rating (with just means they're willing to fix it). Quoted:
I saw in an IG comment section that the Wolfman wipe endcap will fit the Sandman series. I assume that means it will fit the Nomad as well? |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 4:52:37 AM EDT
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I am cursed with being a lefty and I have a Sig MPX which I love. But it is very gassy with another companies can. Would the Wolfman be a good idea? Would it reduce the blowback on the MPX?
BTW, I have a Sandman K on my AR15 and I get zero blowback and I love that can! |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 7:25:48 AM EDT
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Yep. All those have the same taper socket. We'll be offering a wipe cap upgrade program. We just can't sell it as an accessory. I think I already described all that. Thanks again Todd. If you explained more about this micro key mount brake elsewhere I've missed that as well. |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 9:33:02 AM EDT
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Yep. All those have the same taper socket. We'll be offering a wipe cap upgrade program. We just can't sell it as an accessory. I think I already described all that. |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 9:59:44 AM EDT
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Absolutely! I did a lot of the development with 9X39. The old Wolf sat around 127-130dB in the full config and people generally commented it was the best can they'd heard for the round. It now sits around 125-127dB with the Wolfman. Lol. I fell like a parent here. Noooo... semi-auto doesn't mean full auto. If you want full auto 5.56, we make several cans for that. Will this take it? Yes. But, we also know that it's a slippery slope and people go nuts quickly and erosion happens more quickly. We don't want to tell people to go nuts and have them be disappointed if they see some baffle erosion. Hence the 5.56 rating with a brake to provide that "sacrificial baffle" help. To answer your question more directly about how much punishment it can take, I've burned the cerakote off them running mag dumps. I tried to simulate someone that picked up their buddy's full auto and shot a can not knowing it was a light duty rifle can. Realize who you're talking to. Dead Air is a hard-use company, so our "light duty rifle" rating is probably more like other company's "normal" rating (with just means they're willing to fix it). Yep. All those have the same taper socket. We'll be offering a wipe cap upgrade program. We just can't sell it as an accessory. I think I already described all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@Mageever So just to be clear from our email, the Wolfman is rated full auto for 9x39? On that note, is the Ghost M and the Wolf 9SD? Quoted:
How much 5.56 punishment can it take? I know semi-auto has been mentioned, but does that mean mag dumps OK, or limited rate of fire with cool downs? To answer your question more directly about how much punishment it can take, I've burned the cerakote off them running mag dumps. I tried to simulate someone that picked up their buddy's full auto and shot a can not knowing it was a light duty rifle can. Realize who you're talking to. Dead Air is a hard-use company, so our "light duty rifle" rating is probably more like other company's "normal" rating (with just means they're willing to fix it). Quoted:
I saw in an IG comment section that the Wolfman wipe endcap will fit the Sandman series. I assume that means it will fit the Nomad as well? 
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Posted: 5/3/2019 1:56:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2019 1:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So those of us with sandmans will be able to send in our suppressors for the upgrade??? |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 1:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. I fell like a parent here. Noooo... semi-auto doesn't mean full auto. If you want full auto 5.56, we make several cans for that. Will this take it? Yes. But, we also know that it's a slippery slope and people go nuts quickly and erosion happens more quickly. We don't want to tell people to go nuts and have them be disappointed if they see some baffle erosion. Hence the 5.56 rating with a brake to provide that "sacrificial baffle" help. To answer your question more directly about how much punishment it can take, I've burned the cerakote off them running mag dumps. I tried to simulate someone that picked up their buddy's full auto and shot a can not knowing it was a light duty rifle can. Realize who you're talking to. Dead Air is a hard-use company, so our "light duty rifle" rating is probably more like other company's "normal" rating (with just means they're willing to fix it). Thanks. Edit: Webpage mentions key micro brake for supersonic rifles. Does that mean the Wolfman will have some type of Keymo mount? |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 7:12:18 PM EDT
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Make the upgrade program at SOT dealer happen please! I’ve got Sandman - L, S, and K that’ll get ‘upgraded’. Will also buy a wolfman.
Would like more info on micro keymount. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:55:11 AM EDT
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Absolutely! I did a lot of the development with 9X39. The old Wolf sat around 127-130dB in the full config and people generally commented it was the best can they'd heard for the round. It now sits around 125-127dB with the Wolfman. Lol. I fell like a parent here. Noooo... semi-auto doesn't mean full auto. If you want full auto 5.56, we make several cans for that. Will this take it? Yes. But, we also know that it's a slippery slope and people go nuts quickly and erosion happens more quickly. We don't want to tell people to go nuts and have them be disappointed if they see some baffle erosion. Hence the 5.56 rating with a brake to provide that "sacrificial baffle" help. To answer your question more directly about how much punishment it can take, I've burned the cerakote off them running mag dumps. I tried to simulate someone that picked up their buddy's full auto and shot a can not knowing it was a light duty rifle can. Realize who you're talking to. Dead Air is a hard-use company, so our "light duty rifle" rating is probably more like other company's "normal" rating (with just means they're willing to fix it). Yep. All those have the same taper socket. We'll be offering a wipe cap upgrade program. We just can't sell it as an accessory. I think I already described all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@Mageever So just to be clear from our email, the Wolfman is rated full auto for 9x39? On that note, is the Ghost M and the Wolf 9SD? Quoted:
How much 5.56 punishment can it take? I know semi-auto has been mentioned, but does that mean mag dumps OK, or limited rate of fire with cool downs? To answer your question more directly about how much punishment it can take, I've burned the cerakote off them running mag dumps. I tried to simulate someone that picked up their buddy's full auto and shot a can not knowing it was a light duty rifle can. Realize who you're talking to. Dead Air is a hard-use company, so our "light duty rifle" rating is probably more like other company's "normal" rating (with just means they're willing to fix it). Quoted:
I saw in an IG comment section that the Wolfman wipe endcap will fit the Sandman series. I assume that means it will fit the Nomad as well?  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:01:23 AM EDT
[#44]
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Yep. All those have the same taper socket. We'll be offering a wipe cap upgrade program. We just can't sell it as an accessory. I think I already described all that. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:05:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So can I send my pyro in for the upgrade program instead of my suppressor.......? |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:13:26 AM EDT
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No, that's not going to work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So can I send my pyro in for the upgrade program instead of my suppressor.......? |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 11:03:13 AM EDT
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Why not? Same endcap? Should be able to send them in the mail since it's not "a suppressor part" |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 11:03:15 AM EDT
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Why not? Same endcap? Should be able to send them in the mail since it’s not “a suppressor part” |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 11:48:12 AM EDT
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Edit: Webpage mentions key micro brake for supersonic rifles. Does that mean the Wolfman will have some type of Keymo mount? I assume it takes Ghost stuff, like the Wolf did, but I don't feel like changing anything out repeatedly. Wish I could just buy one silencer per rifle... |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 11:48:52 AM EDT
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Why not? Same endcap? Should be able to send them in the mail since it's not "a suppressor part" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: So can I send my pyro in for the upgrade program instead of my suppressor.......? This is a place where I'd rather not push my luck and end up with the ATF coming in with a hammer. |
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