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Posted: 10/15/2018 5:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the numbers. I'd be very tempted to run the Nomad with a Plan B setup from Q. Anyone know if the Plan B has any advantages over the Diversified Machine cherry bomb mount? The DM mount is way cheaper and a hair lighter. |
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Posted: 10/15/2018 5:56:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the numbers. I'd be very tempted to run the Nomad with a Plan B setup from Q. 
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Posted: 10/15/2018 5:59:49 PM EDT
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Plan B is 1.9 oz. 5/8x24 Cherry Bomb is 1.6 oz. I wish DA had a way to turn my Sandman S into the Nomad. 
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Posted: 10/16/2018 1:01:48 AM EDT
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this Nomad sure sounds interesting, I was thinking a Q-Trash Panda, now this thing comes out.
My mounting systems for rifles are Key-Mo and Q. I need a some real world sound comparisons. I have been happy with my DA Wolf. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 11:20:52 AM EDT
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Crazy light. I wish DA had a way to turn my Sandman S into the Nomad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Plan B is 1.9 oz. 5/8x24 Cherry Bomb is 1.6 oz. I wish DA had a way to turn my Sandman S into the Nomad.  Our direct thread mount is only 1.4 oz. Just throwing that out there for the weight weenies.I really dig the cherry bomb mount. I'm guessing I'll have one on at least one rifle. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 11:35:50 AM EDT
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I made a graphic to help answer the length questions. Note that adding the KeyMo only adds 1.175". The Key-Mount system sits back over the mount more than other systems out there. Thanks for detailing the weights, Chris.
 NOMAD-30 AND SANDMAN-S LENGTHS PAST MUZZLE 3
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Posted: 10/16/2018 12:18:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize that setup actually adds weight, right? Our direct thread mount is only 1.4 oz. Just throwing that out there for the weight weenies.I really dig the cherry bomb mount. I'm guessing I'll have one on at least one rifle. 
I see Sandman S is listed at 17.7 obviously that includes built in Keymo mount but I'm guessing that does not include a muzzle device? Courtesy of Hansohn I see muzzle devices range from 3.6-4.3 oz which puts the Sandman package at north of 21 oz. Please correct me if wrong. By using Q's Plan B I get the Nomad total package to be 17.5 oz. That's pretty impressive for an "unlimited, no restrictions" type of suppressor that can also take advantage of a larger OD and increased volume. I apologize for being as critical as I was out of the gate. I think I'm just a little hurt that the Nomad wasn't there for me a few years ago.
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Posted: 10/16/2018 12:24:22 PM EDT
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I made a graphic to help answer the length questions. Note that adding the KeyMo only adds 1.175". The Key-Mount system sits back over the mount more than other systems out there. Thanks for detailing the weights, Chris. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1903/44640841244_1f110d2e10_h.jpgNOMAD-30 AND SANDMAN-S LENGTHS PAST MUZZLE 3 |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 1:41:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I definitely deserve that.
I see Sandman S is listed at 17.7 obviously that includes built in Keymo mount but I'm guessing that does not include a muzzle device? Courtesy of Hansohn I see muzzle devices range from 3.6-4.3 oz which puts the Sandman package at north of 21 oz. Please correct me if wrong. By using Q's Plan B I get the Nomad total package to be 17.5 oz. That's pretty impressive for an "unlimited, no restrictions" type of suppressor that can also take advantage of a larger OD and increased volume. I apologize for being as critical as I was out of the gate. I think I'm just a little hurt that the Nomad wasn't there for me a few years ago. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 1:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't the weight with the Plan B be 16.3? 14.2-1.4+1.6+1.9= 16.3. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 2:07:36 PM EDT
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I apologize for being as critical as I was out of the gate. I think I'm just a little hurt that the Nomad wasn't there for me a few years ago. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 2:22:58 PM EDT
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I made a graphic to help answer the length questions. Note that adding the KeyMo only adds 1.175". The Key-Mount system sits back over the mount more than other systems out there. Thanks for detailing the weights, Chris. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1903/44640841244_1f110d2e10_h.jpgNOMAD-30 AND SANDMAN-S LENGTHS PAST MUZZLE 3 I would have to think that the Nomad is much quieter or better sounding than the Sandman due to the larger diameter? |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 11:31:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you, for the nice diagram. I would have to think that the Nomad is much quieter or better sounding than the Sandman due to the larger diameter? @Outrider. Lol. You're totally cool man. And yep, you're right. You get into the 20 oz. range with mounts. It's the price you pay for a fully functional flash hider or brake--if you need that. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:00:54 AM EDT
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Yeah, volume helps, but also the baffle stack is a more efficient design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would have to think that the Nomad is much quieter or better sounding than the Sandman due to the larger diameter? |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:03:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Mageever earlier in this thread I thought you said that the Sandman S was 1-2 dB quieter than the Nomad. So are you saying that the Nomad "sounds" better (in your opinion) than the S or is it quieter? I'm not trying to not pick but you know we are all hanging on your every word here. Haha. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:10:12 AM EDT
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I thought he said the Nomad was a few dB quieter than the Sandman S 
Yeah, so in my haste to see if I needed my 6th DA can I must have jumbled up his words. Sorry about that. Thanks for pointing this out and now that I have read what he said again I see that it is in fact quieter than the S, Trash Panda, and in theory quieter than the VOX by way of deductive reasoning (I would guess not on 300 subs with a wipe though). |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:17:34 AM EDT
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Yeah, so in my haste to see if I needed my 6th DA can I must have jumbled up his words. Sorry about that. Thanks for pointing this out and now that I have read what he said again I see that it is in fact quieter than the S, Trash Panda, and in theory quieter than the VOX by way of deductive reasoning (I would guess not on 300 subs with a wipe though).
I have a Vox in jail now, really liking the Nomad. May have to pick one up for my next can. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 12:14:39 PM EDT
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The more I look at this can I like the way it looks at the rear where the mount is slightly smaller in diameter. With the right barrel and rail combination tucking in most of the keymo portion and just having the fatter section sticking out front would probably look sick.
I might have to flip a coin on this one. The Vox looks like its a good buy also and I think either can would be a good buy but its hard to decide. One of the two will be my next purchase. |
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Posted: 10/19/2018 3:17:42 PM EDT
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I'm digging the can.
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Posted: 10/19/2018 3:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat MAWL tho 
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Posted: 10/19/2018 4:07:30 PM EDT
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@MaGeever, any meter numbers with the Nomad on a bolt gun in .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor?
I saw the video of you guys shooting a 300WM bolt and saying positive things. Unfortunately that video was shot with a phone with tons of wind noise in the background. Also any idea how much longer the Ghost deal is running? On the verge of pulling the trigger on the Nomad & Ghost combo and running it with a Area 419 mount since I already have their brakes. |
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Posted: 10/19/2018 5:14:04 PM EDT
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Is the nomad compatible with Q cherry bomb brakes?
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Posted: 10/19/2018 5:31:12 PM EDT
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Is the nomad compatible with Q cherry bomb brakes? |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:17:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is the nomad compatible with Q cherry bomb brakes? |
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Posted: 10/21/2018 1:50:26 AM EDT
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I saw this video. It was a baffle strike. That has nothing to do with durability. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I saw this video. It was a baffle strike. That has nothing to do with durability. Quoted:
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And I completely forgot about the new VOX can. Sheesh. With both in DT or keymo configurations, the Nomad is heavier by a couple oz and longer by about half an inch than the VOX, and the vox sounds good and is significantly more durable. And it costs more than $100 less than the Nomad in DT configuration (on hansohn's site). And Q doesn't have any barrel length restrictions either, but that doesn't mean they will survive extreme use (as seen on a recent video by kit badger). If neither can has minimum barrel length restrictions, and the nomad is actually as durable as the Sandman line, then why would someone get a Nomad when a Sandman is lighter, shorter, cheaper and just as durable (in keymo config)? The only scenario I can think of is if someone wanted a DT Sandman S.... and didn't want to spend less on an omega or vox.  Q''s 7.62 Silencer Rundown  Attached FileTranscript: "Are these full auto rated? Yes they are. Can you destoy them? Yeah, if you're stupid. While I was there, someone actually sent one in which [they] put on like a seven and a half inch 7.62x39 Diablo- like 150 rounds as fast as they could dump through it and, it burned the thing out. How does that happen? Well, titanium, while the melting point is 3000 F and you can run these things full auto, if it's sustained,titanium starts to lose strength around 8 or 900 degrees, so if you have a super heavy load of rounds going through one of these, you're going to melt it." Sig also discontinued their SRD556TI-QD because they were having to warranty too many of the "no barrel restriction" titanium cans. It's just physics. Titanium is lightweight and strong, but not as ideal for high-heat, sustained fire use as suppressors made from other materials. I really don't think that's controversial to say. Anyway, my point initially was that not publishing or enforcing minimum barrel restrictions is typically a marketing decision, not an engineering one. "Full auto rated" is also subjective, as a few bursts of FA is going to be a lot different than consistent, sustained fire. Every can will eventually fail if pushed too far... the idea with these marketing terms is that the point of failure is far enough that most typical users in typical settings won't reach them, and will therefore not often require warranty service or experience catastrophic failure. I mean, how many transferable M249s are there out there? lol. |
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Posted: 10/21/2018 8:33:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okCO-laSrCQ
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/435611/can_JPG-711990.JPG Transcript: "Are these full auto rated? Yes they are. Can you destoy them? Yeah, if you're stupid. While I was there, someone actually sent one in which [they] put on like a seven and a half inch 7.62x39 Diablo- like 150 rounds as fast as they could dump through it and, it burned the thing out. How does that happen? Well, titanium, while the melting point is 3000 F and you can run these things full auto, if it's sustained,titanium starts to lose strength around 8 or 900 degrees, so if you have a super heavy load of rounds going through one of these, you're going to melt it." Sig also discontinued their SRD556TI-QD because they were having to warranty too many of the "no barrel restriction" titanium cans. It's just physics. Titanium is lightweight and strong, but not as ideal for high-heat, sustained fire use as suppressors made from other materials. I really don't think that's controversial to say. Anyway, my point initially was that not publishing or enforcing minimum barrel restrictions is typically a marketing decision, not an engineering one. "Full auto rated" is also subjective, as a few bursts of FA is going to be a lot different than consistent, sustained fire. Every can will eventually fail if pushed too far... the idea with these marketing terms is that the point of failure is far enough that most typical users in typical settings won't reach them, and will therefore not often require warranty service or experience catastrophic failure. I mean, how many transferable M249s are there out there? lol. |
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Posted: 10/21/2018 11:20:33 AM EDT
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With the DT mount, can you torque down if you only planned on using it on one rifle so you wouldn't have to worry about checking it periodically?
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Posted: 10/22/2018 6:47:15 PM EDT
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With the DT mount, can you torque down if you only planned on using it on one rifle so you wouldn't have to worry about checking it periodically? Quote HistoryQuoted:
With the DT mount, can you torque down if you only planned on using it on one rifle so you wouldn't have to worry about checking it periodically? Quoted:
@MaGeever, any meter numbers with the Nomad on a bolt gun in .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor? I saw the video of you guys shooting a 300WM bolt and saying positive things. Unfortunately that video was shot with a phone with tons of wind noise in the background. Also any idea how much longer the Ghost deal is running? On the verge of pulling the trigger on the Nomad & Ghost combo and running it with a Area 419 mount since I already have their brakes. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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Posted: 10/22/2018 7:22:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Thanks, Mageever.
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Posted: 10/23/2018 12:46:07 AM EDT
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Thanks for the response Todd, glad to see all the positive reaction to your latest design.
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Posted: 10/28/2018 10:02:52 PM EDT
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@mageever
Thanks for being so responsive. I know you've been getting hammered with questions and after reading I don't recall seeing anything mentioned about the YHM QD option. Being that I already have some of these mounts, how much length/weight would that configuration add to the Nomad? I thinks its awesome that this can is able to accept different mounts. Well thought out indeed! |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 9:23:11 AM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y9_Grh1H2Y&t=314s
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Posted: 11/12/2018 10:26:23 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y9_Grh1H2Y&t=314s  Dead Air Nomad Overview |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 1:45:32 PM EDT
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Great, so it's either this, a Rugged Micro30 or an EA Vox for my first suppressor. Gonna be running it on everything from 10.5" 5.56s to 16" 308 carbines. Looking to buy once, cry once (for now).
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Posted: 11/16/2018 2:41:13 PM EDT
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Great, so it's either this, a Rugged Micro30 or an EA Vox for my first suppressor. Gonna be running it on everything from 10.5" 5.56s to 16" 308 carbines. Looking to buy once, cry once (for now). 
Don't think you can go wrong with either of those 3 though. I guess after owning quite a few rifle cans I've found I like something short enough to take the bite off and still provide good signature reduction, pretty soon I might as well just rock all FH's again
Only exception for me is .22 , 300 blk, 9mm PCC... anything Subsonic, than having a longer/heavier can is OK if it's means reduced DB's. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:31:32 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYR5Tgb-73E
Video of a guy running it on a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun. Also..... @Mageever or if anyone knows. The E brake is compatible with the Sandman series even though its slightly larger. I suppose if it knocks down the Nomad a few decibels it would do the same for the Sandman cans? I saw somewhere it was suggested that the larger diameter was a good thing if your running a suppressor wrap, gives it something to stop against from slipping forward. Even if you didn't pick up the Nomad the E Brake is still a useful upgrade for a Sandman? Might have to get one when they are available for my Sandman K but hoping I'll eventually be able to swing a Nomad for one also. |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 9:57:41 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYR5Tgb-73E Video of a guy running it on a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun. Also..... @Mageever or if anyone knows. The E brake is compatible with the Sandman series even though its slightly larger. I suppose if it knocks down the Nomad a few decibels it would do the same for the Sandman cans? I saw somewhere it was suggested that the larger diameter was a good thing if your running a suppressor wrap, gives it something to stop against from slipping forward. Even if you didn't pick up the Nomad the E Brake is still a useful upgrade for a Sandman? Might have to get one when they are available for my Sandman K but hoping I'll eventually be able to swing a Nomad for one also. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo7ZqgRH4-8/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1p7st8toj99cp There is a post from Todd showing the EBrake on a sandman with and without cover. |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 11:42:14 PM EDT
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Thanks for the link to the instagram page.
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Posted: 11/23/2018 3:48:11 AM EDT
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Would a Nomad be okay for 5.56 SBR use since it is titanium? Not full auto but plenty of rounds in quick succession or constant shooting.
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Posted: 11/23/2018 7:39:21 AM EDT
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Would a Nomad be okay for 5.56 SBR use since it is titanium? Not full auto but plenty of rounds in quick succession or constant shooting. |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 12:05:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only the DT mount and end cap are Ti. The main body and baffles of the can are 17-4 stainless. The Nomad has no barrel length restrictions and is full auto rated. However, the stelite core of the Sandman series would hold up better to abuse. |
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