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Posted: 5/11/2018 9:10:40 PM EDT
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Would really like to see a modular length version of this design, as it would be particularly well suited to the task due to the reduced weight afforded by the material.
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Posted: 5/11/2018 9:41:02 PM EDT
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Would be cool to see a reflex with flash hider mount variant.
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Posted: 5/11/2018 10:02:49 PM EDT
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Would really like to see a modular length version of this design, as it would be particularly well suited to the task due to the reduced weight afforded by the material. ETA: Can that even be done on a tubeless design? |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 10:16:57 PM EDT
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Would be cool to see a reflex with flash hider mount variant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Would be cool to see a reflex with flash hider mount variant. Quoted:
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Would really like to see a modular length version of this design, as it would be particularly well suited to the task due to the reduced weight afforded by the material. ETA: Can that even be done on a tubeless design? |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 12:38:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing is, reflex designs are a case of the performance not being worth it for the extra size & weight. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:16:23 AM EDT
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The thing is, reflex designs are a case of the performance not being worth it for the extra size & weight. It already has a threaded cap for the wipe. They could do a 7.5"/9", or like the Nyx 2, make a 2.0 version of this one with a 2" module. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would be cool to see a reflex with flash hider mount variant. Quoted:
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Would really like to see a modular length version of this design, as it would be particularly well suited to the task due to the reduced weight afforded by the material. ETA: Can that even be done on a tubeless design? |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:44:36 AM EDT
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5.56 and flash hider end-caps.
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:14:14 AM EDT
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5.56 and flash hider end-caps. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 11:36:59 AM EDT
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5.56 and flash hider end-caps. 
I do need to shoot at night to see how much flash there is. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 11:39:09 AM EDT
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No need for 5.56 front cap, it comes with a wipe, it's any caliber from .00 to .30.
I so do need to shoot at night to see how mush flash there is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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5.56 and flash hider end-caps.
I so do need to shoot at night to see how mush flash there is. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 12:30:14 PM EDT
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While some features of the can interest me, the wipe isn't one of them. Any plans for a comparison between the VOX and the S or Resonator? As for the 5.56mm front cap, I'll leave that up to @kedminster and his team. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:05:00 PM EDT
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We metered the Resonator last weekend and just did the Vox (no wipe), Sandman-S and Rugged Razor this morning on an 11.5" 5.56mm M16 and 300BLK (subs) on an AAC HandiRifle. I should be able to have the numbers compiled later today. As for the 5.56mm front cap, I'll leave that up to @kedminster and his team. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While some features of the can interest me, the wipe isn't one of them. Any plans for a comparison between the VOX and the S or Resonator? As for the 5.56mm front cap, I'll leave that up to @kedminster and his team. 
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:23:52 PM EDT
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Same host and metering location/s? And thanks for testing and sharing |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:31:22 PM EDT
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We metered the Resonator last weekend and just did the Vox (no wipe), Sandman-S and Rugged Razor this morning on an 11.5" 5.56mm M16 and 300BLK (subs) on an AAC HandiRifle. I should be able to have the numbers compiled later today. As for the 5.56mm front cap, I'll leave that up to @kedminster and his team. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:35:58 PM EDT
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You should have done the sig srd556 and srd762 too as it puts those to shame (no experience with vox) |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:37:48 PM EDT
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SIG makes a good silencer. We did test a SRD556TiQD last weekend and it metered very well, 132db IIRC on our 11.5" M16. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:43:09 PM EDT
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SIG makes a good silencer. We did test a SRD556TiQD last weekend and it metered very well, 132db IIRC on our 11.5" M16.
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:48:13 PM EDT
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You spelled great wrong. 
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Posted: 5/12/2018 3:18:29 PM EDT
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Same host and metering location/s? And thanks for testing and sharing Sandman-S: 140.85 avg. Host: 11.5" m16 with 75gr Black Hills 5.56x46. Statistically irrelivent. 
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Posted: 5/12/2018 3:33:09 PM EDT
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Wait, is it SRD556Ti-QD? Why don't you crank up the machines and start making them again... |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 6:11:01 PM EDT
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You spelled great wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SIG makes a good silencer. We did test a SRD556TiQD last weekend and it metered very well, 132db IIRC on our 11.5" M16.
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Posted: 5/12/2018 6:19:46 PM EDT
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I wouldn't shoot corrosive through any suppressor, except maybe one that was fully serviceable... even then it would be a last resort type thing for me... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would corrosive milsurp ammo be a no-go through the VOX? |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:10:34 PM EDT
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Thanks for everyone participating in this thread. I am working on setting up an appropriate Industry Partner account so I can respond to all questions/comments on here. The mods have been great in unfreezing this and I want to respect that this is someone else's forum & rules and abide by that. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew and didn't think I was leaving you hanging! I will be back in the discussion soon; till then Hansohn has a great handle on it!
Thanks! Karl Edminster Energetic Armament LLC |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:47:27 PM EDT
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Thanks for everyone participating in this thread. I am working on setting up an appropriate Industry Partner account so I can respond to all questions/comments on here. The mods have been great in unfreezing this and I want to respect that this is someone else's forum & rules and abide by that. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew and didn't think I was leaving you hanging! I will be back in the discussion soon; till then Hansohn has a great handle on it! Thanks! Karl Edminster Energetic Armament LLC I have a NYX Mod1 in jail right now, very excited about it.
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Posted: 5/12/2018 8:52:33 PM EDT
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No need for 5.56 front cap, it comes with a wipe, it's any caliber from .00 to .30.
I do need to shoot at night to see how much flash there is. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 8:57:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thanks for everyone participating in this thread. I am working on setting up an appropriate Industry Partner account so I can respond to all questions/comments on here. The mods have been great in unfreezing this and I want to respect that this is someone else's forum & rules and abide by that. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew and didn't think I was leaving you hanging! I will be back in the discussion soon; till then Hansohn has a great handle on it! Thanks! Karl Edminster Energetic Armament LLC |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 9:33:14 PM EDT
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Go ahead and answer the questions. Technical Q&A is just fine... |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 9:57:02 PM EDT
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The Vox has a threaded front end to accept a user removable/replaceable cap. This relates to several questions/comments so I will try to summarize:
1. The thread pattern does not match DA caps 2. The threaded front may allow future expansion into modular front ends (i.e. L config) 3. A front cap with a smaller aperture for 5.56 may be made. Can't do that for sound reduction purposes though or that may create a 'silencer part' and cause ATF heartburn for sales separate from the original can. Some people just like throwing their bullet into a tighter orifice. 
4. Flash hider accessories are possible. If I missed your question/comment please let me know. Also glad to discuss the materials properties I posted earlier. I have not yet seen a response from the original concerned poster and would really welcome a detailed engineering analysis discussion especially in an open, peer reviewed forum. #scienceforthewin |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:49:33 PM EDT
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SIG makes a good silencer. We did test a SRD556TiQD last weekend and it metered very well, 132db IIRC on our 11.5" M16. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 11:47:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's.... impressive to say the least. My next and final can is either the above mentioned, the yhm turbo or this Vox |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 12:44:42 AM EDT
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The Vox has a threaded front end to accept a user removable/replaceable cap. This relates to several questions/comments so I will try to summarize: 1. The thread pattern does not match DA caps 2. The threaded front may allow future expansion into modular front ends (i.e. L config) 3. A front cap with a smaller aperture for 5.56 may be made. Can't do that for sound reduction purposes though or that may create a 'silencer part' and cause ATF heartburn for sales separate from the original can. Some people just like throwing their bullet into a tighter orifice.
4. Flash hider accessories are possible. If I missed your question/comment please let me know. Also glad to discuss the materials properties I posted earlier. I have not yet seen a response from the original concerned poster and would really welcome a detailed engineering analysis discussion especially in an open, peer reviewed forum. #scienceforthewin |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 4:31:36 PM EDT
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You spelled great wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SIG makes a good silencer. We did test a SRD556TiQD last weekend and it metered very well, 132db IIRC on our 11.5" M16. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:18:45 PM EDT
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I am infatuated with wipes as I think the combination of this "old" technology with current state of the art in terms of baffles tech can yield great results.
Looking at the Hansohn Bros. video and averaging the .300 sub results shows about a 2dB reduction when using the wipe. Does this coincide with the design goals with wipe? Just curious as to the design philosophy in terms of what was the specific inspiration for the inclusion of the wipe in terms of configuration and performance with desired load. Is the wipe material a standard MSC type (easy to obtain)? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 4:08:45 PM EDT
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I am infatuated with wipes as I think the combination of this "old" technology with current state of the art in terms of baffles tech can yield great results. Looking at the Hansohn Bros. video and averaging the .300 sub results shows about a 2dB reduction when using the wipe. Does this coincide with the design goals with wipe? Just curious as to the design philosophy in terms of what was the specific inspiration for the inclusion of the wipe in terms of configuration and performance with desired load. Is the wipe material a standard MSC type (easy to obtain)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I am infatuated with wipes as I think the combination of this "old" technology with current state of the art in terms of baffles tech can yield great results. Looking at the Hansohn Bros. video and averaging the .300 sub results shows about a 2dB reduction when using the wipe. Does this coincide with the design goals with wipe? Just curious as to the design philosophy in terms of what was the specific inspiration for the inclusion of the wipe in terms of configuration and performance with desired load. Is the wipe material a standard MSC type (easy to obtain)? Quoted:EA wanted to give you the versatility by including a wipe, whether you want to use it is personal preference. Wipe replacement can be done by any qualified gun smith. I also offer wipe replacement for any wiped can. For the do-it-yourselfers, the wipe is high temp, fabric reinforced silicon with a durometer of 70A, McMaster #3635K17. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 5:25:38 PM EDT
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Could a K version be offered in the future?
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:13:08 PM EDT
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I am infatuated with wipes as I think the combination of this "old" technology with current state of the art in terms of baffles tech can yield great results. Looking at the Hansohn Bros. video and averaging the .300 sub results shows about a 2dB reduction when using the wipe. Does this coincide with the design goals with wipe? Just curious as to the design philosophy in terms of what was the specific inspiration for the inclusion of the wipe in terms of configuration and performance with desired load. Is the wipe material a standard MSC type (easy to obtain)? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:30:03 PM EDT
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I have not used a suppressor with wipes. It does not sound like it's ideal for a rifle can shooting at distance. I saw HB's statement that it was fine, however, a Molon style accuracy test would be awesome. Pistol can at pillow against a head distance, wipes probably not a big deal. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 8:54:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's.... impressive to say the least. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:12:12 AM EDT
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Update: the Vox-S direct thread version will come with a titanium thread adapter. By using titanium, the overall weight is reduced to 11.4 ounces. Energetic will also be offering the titanium direct thread adapters separately; great news for the form 1 builders and those looking to shave weight on other silencer models.
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Posted: 5/17/2018 11:57:47 PM EDT
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Damn it. Here’s a can that I want...and need...just because. I already have some cash burning in my sock drawer waiting for this can. @HansohnBrothers Any way to start a deposit list? If this can is as good as it seems, I dying to see what they do with pistol cans.
I will say that I wish SS would have rolled out their “money back guarantee” a month or 2 earlier...I would have returned my 9mm can with a QUICKNESS. 1-can performs “ok” for the price paid. 2-CS is far from good. Got an obnoxious reply from someone that got me pretty heated. I understand this company is in business to make money, but damn...take care of the customer and you’ll get repeated sales (look at SiCo and my 2 ball slapping mistakes). 3-perception perception perception... |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 2:17:50 AM EDT
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Ok, next on the agenda... So apparently a concerned poster seemed to have his interpretation of the economics figured out here and was sure we were running a 501(c). Sorry, not the case and basically the whole analysis had no actual reference to reality. Please see my previous post about always validating your references... 1. We are running a for-profit LLC; not a non-profit 501(c). I support lots of charities but manufacturing silencers to loose money is not one of them. 2. If you think our materials analysis is on-point, our business planning and financial management game is there as well. 3. Yes, C300 is expensive but not quite as expensive as the concerned posted believes. Please refer to Item 2 above. Next: manufacturing concerns... Note: sorry for the spread posts; this 2k character limit is killing me! 
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Posted: 5/18/2018 2:24:21 AM EDT
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SIG makes a good silencer. We did test a SRD556TiQD last weekend and it metered very well, 132db IIRC on our 11.5" M16. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You should have done the sig srd556 and srd762 too as it puts those to shame (no experience with vox) |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 6:56:16 AM EDT
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@HansohnBrothers Any way to start a deposit list? |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 8:05:38 AM EDT
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Sure, send a PM or an email to get on the waiting list. If you really want to put a deposit to reserve one, call the shop. Deposit is non-refundable $200 that will be applied to the balance due once the silencers arrive. Understand that these will not be delivered to me before mid July. |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 10:28:08 AM EDT
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What I don't understand is why Energetic is getting bashed by some for using Dead Air's Keymo. I mean, it's the best mount in the industry, period. I'm sure they're paying royalties or whatever so it's not like they're "ripping them off." Besides, it's about time we get some kind of industry standard with regard to QD mounts. Many manufacturer's centerfire pistol suppressors now accept SiCo pistons.....again, smart. Same thing. Does anyone remember when every cell phone had a different charging port? That was stupid. Now there are basically two. We need this in the industry.
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Posted: 5/18/2018 10:31:46 AM EDT
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What makes the Keymo so good?
Honest question, I've never seen one. I only have direct thread suppressors. |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 10:37:27 AM EDT
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What I don't understand is why Energetic is getting bashed by some for using Dead Air's Keymo. I mean, it's the best mount in the industry, period. I'm sure they're paying royalties or whatever so it's not like they're "ripping them off." Besides, it's about time we get some kind of industry standard with regard to QD mounts. Many manufacturer's centerfire pistol suppressors now accept SiCo pistons.....again, smart. Same thing. Does anyone remember when every cell phone had a different charging port? That was stupid. Now there are basically two. We need this in the industry. Suppressor accessories add up quickly. When you can offer your product to somebody who is already invested in another "ecosystem" it's a good move. Especially when the mounting system is well regarded. I don't have an immediate need for this can but I am impressed and would've given it a hard look back when I was making my .30 cal can purchases. |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 10:39:37 AM EDT
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What makes the Keymo so good? Honest question, I've never seen one. I only have direct thread suppressors.  Dead Air Armament: Sandman Suppressor Demo  Dead Air Key-Mo |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 10:42:58 AM EDT
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What makes the Keymo so good? Honest question, I've never seen one. I only have direct thread suppressors. - Rock solid lockup. No worries with shooting loose. And from what I can tell I just don't think the ratchet system will wear out. - YET it will not get stuck even after long strings of fire. Basically if you can handle it, you can remove it. - Repeatability - I have yet to have to re zero any rifles once zeroed with the can in place. - Zero leakage between the can and mounting interface. No carbon or anything can build up on the mounting surface - Easy, one handed operation. I don't use a can under a hand guard but for guys who do it's nice. |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 10:44:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shouldn't have to pay any royalties. The Keymo was designed to work with SiCo cans so EA has smartly followed suit by using the same thread pitch but promoting the solid DA mounting system. DA now gets to sell more Keymos and muzzle devices. Suppressor accessories add up quickly. When you can offer your product to somebody who is already invested in another "ecosystem" it's a good move. Especially when the mounting system is well regarded. I don't have an immediate need for this can but I am impressed and would've given it a hard look back when I was making my .30 cal can purchases. |
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