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Posted: 10/12/2017 12:45:47 AM EDT
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I'm going with the Obsidian but it's a no-brainer for me in part because of the mount/piston compatibility with SiCo. I just picked up my Hybrid and have an Omega 9k on the way.
After I got my 9k I was wishing SiCo made a serviceable, modular 45 can, since that was next on my list. Then I heard about the piston/mount compatibility and how well the Obsidian performs. SOLD. I didn't even get any SiCo pistons, just going all Rugged. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 12:52:58 AM EDT
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I don't have a can yet but ordered a ghost since I wanted a wipe and don't care about SiCo mounts. . I rather have the wipe and i can easily get more. If the wipe is an issue for you go with the obsidian.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 12:54:23 AM EDT
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I have both of these cans and if I compare cans on real world use I have a hard time picking a winner.
Currently I am leaning towards the Rugged barely. They are both just top teir cans. So add in the other things we consider when buying a can like looks, price, accessories, etc and I would say the Rugged wins. I prefer the looks of the Dead Air and that's why I have 2 Ghost but they also cost me $150 (approx) more each then the Rugged. Forget about the wipe and pick the can that looks the best to you. If the extra $ for the Dead Air means anything to you then know that your not getting any less of a product with the Rugged. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:54:39 AM EDT
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I'd like to know which has less blowback and a better tone.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:33:38 AM EDT
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From what I have gleaned from the .45 can threads:
Obsidian + Less expensive + Takes SiCo pistons + Non-slotted pistons reduce blowback + All baffles 17-4 - Aluminum Tubes - Had 9mm endcaps available, but it seems they are not any longer Ghost-M + Can use wiped endcap to reduce FRP and drop a few dB, though now the ATF kind of stomped on this for everyone. I know my FFL/SOT is less than a mile away and on the way home so getting wipes replaced (and they aren't even necessary) would be easy. + Titanium tubes - Front section has aluminum baffles---this is why the can is slightly lighter than the Obsidian in "long" assembly. Some prefer steel for US cleaners. - Costs more I have no silencerco pistons and don't really care about the price difference. I am more interested in which is the most quiet with the best tone and least blowblack in the "full" setup only as I am not interested in running them short. I have the following hosts: HK Mark 23 HK USP Tactical .45 HK USP Tactical 9mm FNX Tactical .45 SIG P226 Combat 9mm |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:45:11 AM EDT
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I currently have an Obsidian pending (hopefully will receive stamp in 3 more months) and went through the exact same decision process before placing the order. I purchased mine last August (due to a SNAFU, the local dealer didn't receive the can until March) and was very close to ordering the Dead Air because I thought it looked cooler but in the end the $100 price difference dictated my final choice. I'd definitely purchase the Obsidian over the Ghost again because of the ATF's "wipe ruling".
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:47:14 AM EDT
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From what I have gleaned from the .45 can threads: Obsidian + Less expensive + Takes SiCo pistons + Non-slotted pistons reduce blowback + All baffles 17-4 - Aluminum Tubes - Had 9mm endcaps available, but it seems they are not any longer Ghost-M + Can use wiped endcap to reduce FRP and drop a few dB, though now the ATF kind of stomped on this for everyone. I know my FFL/SOT is less than a mile away and on the way home so getting wipes replaced (and they aren't even necessary) would be easy. + Titanium tubes - Front section has aluminum baffles---this is why the can is slightly lighter than the Obsidian in "long" assembly. Some prefer steel for US cleaners. - Costs more I have no silencerco pistons and don't really care about the price difference. I am more interested in which is the most quiet with the best tone and least blowblack in the "full" setup only as I am not interested in running them short. I have the following hosts: HK Mark 23 HK USP Tactical .45 HK USP Tactical 9mm FNX Tactical .45 SIG P226 Combat 9mm |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 10:02:05 AM EDT
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I'd like to know which has less blowback and a better tone. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 10:05:42 AM EDT
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I thought the wipe issue was addressed with a quick trip to amazon.com???
As an Obsidian owner, I would have considered the Ghost if the prices were close. The Ghost short, with a wipe, and wet/gel, is probably a cool combo. EDIT: It's my first pistol can. In long with a 9mm cap, Lawman 147s, I get peppered with most shots in both a USP9T and 226. 99% of the time it lives on a PCC. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 12:28:28 PM EDT
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A key performance input for the Ghost was low back pressure. A standard M-style baffle cone works well for catching gas, but can be horrible at directing it back to the chamber when the action opens. The compressed-K baffle on the Ghost is awesome for back pressure and holding an ablative for a long time if you want to do that. You'll really notice the lower backpressure when you forget to put on safety glasses with this can. You don't get the same "holy-crap-I-just-got-blinded-by-flying-particulates" experience that you will with other cans. This of course will depend heavily on each host weapon, but it's pretty dramatic if you look for it. With a good lock-up weapon, you can actually shoot this wet without thoroughly coating yourself.
People that are concerned about the aluminum module baffles should note that there's virtually no buildup in this area. It's just a simple layer of carbon that fills in some nooks and crannies and then the can works even better. If you feel you need to clean them, they're hard coated 7075-T6 and they can take abuse. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:39:24 PM EDT
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A key performance input for the Ghost was low back pressure. A standard M-style baffle cone works well for catching gas, but can be horrible at directing it back to the chamber when the action opens. The compressed-K baffle on the Ghost is awesome for back pressure and holding an ablative for a long time if you want to do that. You'll really notice the lower backpressure when you forget to put on safety glasses with this can. You don't get the same "holy-crap-I-just-got-blinded-by-flying-particulates" experience that you will with other cans. This of course will depend heavily on each host weapon, but it's pretty dramatic if you look for it. With a good lock-up weapon, you can actually shoot this wet without thoroughly coating yourself. People that are concerned about the aluminum module baffles should note that there's virtually no buildup in this area. It's just a simple layer of carbon that fills in some nooks and crannies and then the can works even better. If you feel you need to clean them, they're hard coated 7075-T6 and they can take abuse. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:50:57 AM EDT
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I couldn’t decide so I have both the Obsidian and Ghost. I reckon most folks would be quiet satisfied with either.
I’ve gotten to where I primarily use the Ghost w/ wipes for 9mm and the Obsidian for everything larger. The reduction of blowback with the Ghost is quite impressive compared to a lot of other pistol cans. Even on Glocks it performs fairly well. I’ve been using the Ghost on a G22 with a conversion barrel with very good results. Even shooting nasty cheap 115gr supers there’s barely any blowback. If I could only have one, I’d might lean towards the Ghost...maybe. Haven’t compared them on the same host back to back, but both sound damn good. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 11:03:07 AM EDT
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I am going to go with the Ghost.
One year wait, here I come. Oh well. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 12:49:30 PM EDT
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Cool bit of info. Glad I got a ghost. Also, doesn't the wipe increase a little bit of back pressure from what I've read? Any word on the way to cut the wipe to get even better results? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Cool bit of info. Glad I got a ghost. Also, doesn't the wipe increase a little bit of back pressure from what I've read? Any word on the way to cut the wipe to get even better results? Quoted:
I am going to go with the Ghost. One year wait, here I come. Oh well. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 1:00:10 PM EDT
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I really wish I could give guidance on wipe manufacturing, but I'm not really into getting our customers in trouble with the ATF. We are working with local dealers to have some in stock so you can easily walk in and get them replaced. You can also send it back to us and get a cool t-shirt |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 1:00:42 PM EDT
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I really wish I could give guidance on wipe manufacturing, but I'm not really into getting our customers in trouble with the ATF. We are working with local dealers to have some in stock so you can easily walk in and get them replaced. You can also send it back to us and get a cool t-shirt. If you use the barcode form, you could possibly have it by January-Feb. They do use the barcode forms and when I filed my Form 4 on my SR-15 CQB there last week they told me that same timeline (jan/feb) may be possible but after the year long wait I just did my approach will be to assume the worst and try not to think about what I have waiting over there for me. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 1:12:36 PM EDT
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You’ll be very happy with your Ghost. I’ve got one in addition to a bunch of other 45 cans (Osprey, 2 Octanes, Octane 45k, and a TiRANT-45s). To my sensitive ears the only ones that are hearing safe with 45 is the Osprey and the Ghost. With a wipe in the Ghost wins quite handily. I haven’t shot 9mm through it much as I have dedicated 9mm cans (pair of TiRANT-9 cans) and they are very good depending on host.
You listed the Mk23 as one of your hosts. It is probably my favorite. Built from the ground up for can use. My Osprey lives on the Mk23 and it makes me look like a better shooter than I am. I love the Ghost on my USP Tactical as well. Just a really fun and cool setup. 
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Posted: 10/13/2017 3:34:30 PM EDT
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I thought the wipe issue was addressed with a quick trip to amazon.com??? |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 3:35:42 PM EDT
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I really wish I could give guidance on wipe manufacturing, but I'm not really into getting our customers in trouble with the ATF. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:16:26 AM EDT
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From what I have gleaned from the .45 can threads: Obsidian + Less expensive + Takes SiCo pistons + Non-slotted pistons reduce blowback + All baffles 17-4 - Aluminum Tubes - Had 9mm endcaps available, but it seems they are not any longer Ghost-M + Can use wiped endcap to reduce FRP and drop a few dB, though now the ATF kind of stomped on this for everyone. I know my FFL/SOT is less than a mile away and on the way home so getting wipes replaced (and they aren't even necessary) would be easy. + Titanium tubes - Front section has aluminum baffles---this is why the can is slightly lighter than the Obsidian in "long" assembly. Some prefer steel for US cleaners. - Costs more I have no silencerco pistons and don't really care about the price difference. I am more interested in which is the most quiet with the best tone and least blowblack in the "full" setup only as I am not interested in running them short. I have the following hosts: HK Mark 23 HK USP Tactical .45 HK USP Tactical 9mm FNX Tactical .45 SIG P226 Combat 9mm |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:10:00 PM EDT
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I've been looking at reviews of these two suppressors and I'm leaning towards the Rugged due to the fact that all the baffles are SS and not some of them being aluminium. If the Ghost had a full SS stack I would go that route. I'm not against dead air as I have a mask in jail as we speak. I want to dip instead of scrub, lol.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:16:30 PM EDT
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I want to dip instead of scrub, lol. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:56:49 PM EDT
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This is why I'm leaning towards the Obsidian as well for my first pistol can, also being able to toss them in the tumbler or US cleaner for ALL the baffles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to dip instead of scrub, lol. 
On a side note, this is why the Ghost has a removable booster/blast chamber. The whole thing comes out so you don't have to scrub down inside the can much at all. The piston housing (or basket) can be thrown directly into the dip or a tumbler. Todd Magee Chief OCD Janitor at Dead Air |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 5:59:37 PM EDT
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The only reason they're even serviceable is to help keep people with obsessive compulsive cleaning disorders happy.
On a side note, this is why the Ghost has a removable booster/blast chamber. The whole thing comes out so you don't have to scrub down inside the can much at all. The piston housing (or basket) can be thrown directly into the dip or a tumbler. Todd Magee Chief OCD Janitor at Dead Air |
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Posted: 10/22/2017 2:50:49 PM EDT
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It is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought the wipe issue was addressed with a quick trip to amazon.com??? |
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Posted: 10/22/2017 4:56:05 PM EDT
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This is why I'm leaning towards the Obsidian as well for my first pistol can, also being able to toss them in the tumbler or US cleaner for ALL the baffles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to dip instead of scrub, lol. |
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Posted: 10/22/2017 5:34:43 PM EDT
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I don't clean any of my pistol cans really, FWIW. I'll wipe the carbon off the piston and lube it, but I have an Obsidian and just recently got a Resistance 9 out of jail. I took them both apart when I first got them, and several hundred rounds later haven't even tried to break them down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to dip instead of scrub, lol. 
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Posted: 10/24/2017 11:01:56 PM EDT
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Gonna be a loooong 11 months.
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Posted: 10/25/2017 7:18:45 AM EDT
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Gonna be a loooong 11 months. |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 8:16:34 AM EDT
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The barcode ones are taking 6 months and dropping 
On the other hand, another friend with a trust form 4 is still waiting after 13 months. 
I sent some trust 4's in June.   
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Posted: 10/25/2017 11:15:22 AM EDT
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The barcode ones are taking 6 months and dropping |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 11:47:59 AM EDT
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People are telling me that but I am just going to keep on expecting 1 year. |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 6:14:05 PM EDT
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I just picked up a can that was exactly 11 months.
I just put 3 more things in the queue and hope to see them sometime in the next 12 months. This wait is for shit, it made me delay a bunch of NFA purchases but all that's done is make me wait even longer so now I am going to play catch-up. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 12:00:39 PM EDT
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My next few NFA purchases, I am almost considering adding $200 to the total cost, and just going individiaul route first, then Form 4 again from myself as individual to my trust. Sort of a "have your cake and eat it too" move. $200 to save 7+ months of waiting, and get to retain posession...
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:32:14 PM EDT
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The barcode ones are taking 6 months and dropping |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 12:51:51 AM EDT
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My next few NFA purchases, I am almost considering adding $200 to the total cost, and just going individiaul route first, then Form 4 again from myself as individual to my trust. Sort of a "have your cake and eat it too" move. $200 to save 7+ months of waiting, and get to retain posession...  Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - The Waiting (Official Music Video) RIP Tom Petty |
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