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the trouble I have with comparing wait times from previous time periods- is that you dont know how many examiners they had fighting the mountain of paperwork... Now that we are no longer able to use eForms, are those examiners being re-directed to paper form submissions, in addition to any new examiners hired?! Things that keep me up at night... View Quote Like subie said a few posts ago, if someone like SS were to divulge F4 submissions by the month from say 01/2016 until today, you could draw some pretty good conclusions. The only difference maybe being SS's sales model producing more compared to others post 41F, and any adjustments the ATF makes to staffing. |
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41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. |
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ATF says 6-7 months: 41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. View Quote |
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ATF says 6-7 months: 41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. View Quote |
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They knew it was coming and didn't seem to start any of the overtime work until they started hitting May & June forms. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ATF says 6-7 months: 41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. Unlike a private business, a government agency can't just run out and hire additional employees, hire contract workers because the workload is heavy and can't offer overtime UNLESS CONGRESS SAYS IT CAN. If ATF had a thousand document examiners on permanent assignment ARFcom would bitch about government waste. |
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Do you know how government works? Unlike a private business, a government agency can't just run out and hire additional employees, hire contract workers because the workload is heavy and can't offer overtime UNLESS CONGRESS SAYS IT CAN. If ATF had a thousand document examiners on permanent assignment ARFcom would bitch about government waste. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ATF says 6-7 months: 41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. Unlike a private business, a government agency can't just run out and hire additional employees, hire contract workers because the workload is heavy and can't offer overtime UNLESS CONGRESS SAYS IT CAN. If ATF had a thousand document examiners on permanent assignment ARFcom would bitch about government waste. The government won't have to hire additional personnel to process their poll & extortion taxes nor paperwork, and the ARF hoard (as well as every other firearm enthusiast) won't have a reason to complain. The solution is mind-numbingly simple to anyone who possesses a modicum of critical thinking skills and a couple brain cells to rub together to create a spark. The crux is that the path to execute it is excruciatingly expensive and time consuming (again, thanks to government). |
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Get rid of the NFA entirely. The government won't have to hire additional personnel to process their poll & extortion taxes nor paperwork, and the ARF hoard (as well as every other firearm enthusiast) won't have a reason to complain. The solution is mind-numbingly simple to anyone who possesses a modicum of critical thinking skills and a couple brain cells to rub together to create a spark. The crux is that the path to execute it is excruciatingly expensive and time consuming (again, thanks to government). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ATF says 6-7 months: 41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. Unlike a private business, a government agency can't just run out and hire additional employees, hire contract workers because the workload is heavy and can't offer overtime UNLESS CONGRESS SAYS IT CAN. If ATF had a thousand document examiners on permanent assignment ARFcom would bitch about government waste. The government won't have to hire additional personnel to process their poll & extortion taxes nor paperwork, and the ARF hoard (as well as every other firearm enthusiast) won't have a reason to complain. The solution is mind-numbingly simple to anyone who possesses a modicum of critical thinking skills and a couple brain cells to rub together to create a spark. The crux is that the path to execute it is excruciatingly expensive and time consuming (again, thanks to government). It's amazing no one has thought of that solution. For fucks sake. |
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Well no shit? It's amazing no one has thought of that solution. For fucks sake. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ATF says 6-7 months: 41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. Unlike a private business, a government agency can't just run out and hire additional employees, hire contract workers because the workload is heavy and can't offer overtime UNLESS CONGRESS SAYS IT CAN. If ATF had a thousand document examiners on permanent assignment ARFcom would bitch about government waste. The government won't have to hire additional personnel to process their poll & extortion taxes nor paperwork, and the ARF hoard (as well as every other firearm enthusiast) won't have a reason to complain. The solution is mind-numbingly simple to anyone who possesses a modicum of critical thinking skills and a couple brain cells to rub together to create a spark. The crux is that the path to execute it is excruciatingly expensive and time consuming (again, thanks to government). It's amazing no one has thought of that solution. For fucks sake. Imma call my congressman. |
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Well no shit? It's amazing no one has thought of that solution. For fucks sake. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ATF says 6-7 months: 41F - Everyone's favorite topic (sarcasm if you couldn't tell). There were ~280,000 applications received from the announcement of the final rule until it went into effect. That was about a full years worth of applications. They are on the downward slope of pre 41F paperwork. ATF is working overtime to process these forms. They are currently working 7 days a week to reduce the wait times and are literally working overtime hours to accomplish that goal (up to 20 hours per person in addition to their standard work week). Pre 41F, they were receiving ~35,000 forms a week and processing about 8,000 forms a week. Post 41F they were receiving about 5-6,000 form a week and processing 8-9,000 forms a week. They are currently predicting a 6-7 month turn around if you submit a form today. In January, six additional examiners were hired. They are going to continue to push for resources in FY 2018-19. Unlike a private business, a government agency can't just run out and hire additional employees, hire contract workers because the workload is heavy and can't offer overtime UNLESS CONGRESS SAYS IT CAN. If ATF had a thousand document examiners on permanent assignment ARFcom would bitch about government waste. The government won't have to hire additional personnel to process their poll & extortion taxes nor paperwork, and the ARF hoard (as well as every other firearm enthusiast) won't have a reason to complain. The solution is mind-numbingly simple to anyone who possesses a modicum of critical thinking skills and a couple brain cells to rub together to create a spark. The crux is that the path to execute it is excruciatingly expensive and time consuming (again, thanks to government). It's amazing no one has thought of that solution. For fucks sake. All that aside, I wasn't aiming my post at you as a "hey, you're a dumb@$$ for not having this position and your statement is stupid". I was reaffirming what many of us already know and express, and was using your post as an example of why it's so obvious to do away with it all. Simmer down T-Dog |
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Some people that sent in their Form 4's in early January are getting their Stamps. (Lucky ).
So I'm going to hazard a guess and say that IF you mailed your Form-4 in today you just might pick it up mid April 2018. |
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Some people that sent in their Form 4's in early January are getting their Stamps. (Lucky ). So I'm going to hazard a guess and say that IF you mailed your Form-4 in today you just might pick it up mid April 2018. View Quote Care to make it interesting? ETA: I'll bet you a membership that your form is approved within 45 days. |
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All I know is that I mailed my form 4 off on July 5th, and they didn't even cash the check until Aug. 24th.
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Ordered a Dead Air Wolf-9SD on the 13th through SilencerShop. Check cashed yesterday, the 28th.
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Yours is on about day 240 and by your estimate you have 100 days left, is that right? Care to make it interesting? ETA: I'll bet you a membership that your form is approved within 45 days. View Quote Ordered - 12/21/16 (251 days) Form 4 - 2/20/17 (190 days) Check Cashed 2/22/17 (188 days) Attached File My membership expires 10/11 (44 days), which would put me at 294 total, 231 cashed. What do you say? I'll call in on 10/12, if it's not approved I get that membership. |
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I'll play. My two latest. Ordered - 12/21/16 (251 days) Form 4 - 2/20/17 (190 days) Check Cashed 2/22/17 (188 days) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/123106/Bet-293991.JPG My membership expires 10/11 (44 days), which would put me at 294 total, 231 cashed. What do you say? I'll call in on 10/12, if it's not approved I get that membership. View Quote |
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I'll play as well...
Mask purchased June 28 2017 Check cashed July 24 2017 Ghost purchased August 2 2017 Check cashed August 8 2017. Both were individuals. |
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I bought a can from PSA last Thursday. 5 months would be great.
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Haha I have a PSA 5 minutes from my house. I went in and laid hands on the can before buying!
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Ive been doing all individual since my first stamp 6 years ago, maybe its paying off now HA. Individual times are dropping like a rock on NFA tracker but trusts not over the peak so to speak it seems. Hopefully my November stamps will be here soon.
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I'm Game...
Maxim 9 purchased 08/09/17 Check cashed 08/28/17 Individual |
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Yours is on about day 240 and by your estimate you have 100 days left, is that right? Care to make it interesting? ETA: I'll bet you a membership that your form is approved within 45 days. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Some people that sent in their Form 4's in early January are getting their Stamps. (Lucky ). So I'm going to hazard a guess and say that IF you mailed your Form-4 in today you just might pick it up mid April 2018. Care to make it interesting? ETA: I'll bet you a membership that your form is approved within 45 days. The REAL Question is whether or not I'd get APPROVED before October shows up. 31 remaining days of my Estimate is The Question and The Bet. Want to refine the bet |
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I'm not as confident about trusts coming back that soon. They seem to be lagging behind individual forms for whatever reason. Makes me glad I did individual on mine. View Quote |
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The processes and procedures have had to change. With all the responsible persons now going through the same checks, how much time & energy has increased per approval? Sure the volume of applications may have decreased, but the workload per application has at least doubled. View Quote |
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My trust has always been the same, I have no trustees just benificiaries which do not have to go through a background check. And unfortunately I don't think that changes anything besides the fact my form may not be as time consuming as the guy with 10 trustees. View Quote |
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I originally Estimated that I'd receive The Stamps by early August to the middle of September. So far I'm not THAT far off.... The REAL Question is whether or not I'd get APPROVED before October shows up. 31 remaining days of my Estimate is The Question and The Bet. Want to refine the bet View Quote Even so, I'm willing to refine the bet from 45 days to 31 if you feel better about that. Just to be clear, I'm referring to the form for the GM-22 you mailed on Dec 31. If it comes before Oct you extend my membership, and if not I extend yours, is that right? |
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My trust has always been the same, I have no trustees just benificiaries which do not have to go through a background check. And unfortunately I don't think that changes anything besides the fact my form may not be as time consuming as the guy with 10 trustees. |
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The logical reason I heard regarding trusts taking longer was that the trust paperwork goes through a legal review to make sure the trust is legit before examiners go through the approval process. So trusts having that extra step would explain why individual submissions are so much quicker.
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Yours is on about day 240 and by your estimate you have 100 days left, is that right? Care to make it interesting? ETA: I'll bet you a membership that your form is approved within 45 days. View Quote I'll be lucky to see last years September submission by October and last weeks submission....who the F knows. Once again, total bullshit. I'm out on NFA for a while after this. Way to irritating. |
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My trust has always been the same, I have no trustees just benificiaries which do not have to go through a background check. And unfortunately I don't think that changes anything besides the fact my form may not be as time consuming as the guy with 10 trustees. Attention Beneficiary: FROM HIGH COURT OF ECOWAS RB BRANCH:
B/OP/1234 PLOT AKPAKPA,Benin. OUR REF.CODE: BSEL/773/AWN/021/09 Your Attention Please: From the entire High Court Of Ecowas Benin Republic are here to make it clear to you that there was a case that was been handling in this ECOWAS since JANUARY 2017 concerning your Inheritance funds, because we got some reports that you did not receive your Inheritance funds since after various stories you heard regarding the funds and all type of payments you have made to receive the funds but none is received by you. So we are hereby to know the truth because the person in charge of the transaction said in this court that you have received your funds and he confirmed it,that you received your Inheritance funds worth of $7.5Million United Dollars. (1)Do you receive any money from Africa............? (2)If you received money from him, how much.............? (3)Through which way, bank or courier do you received the money from? (4) Is it true that you received money through western union .......? (5) In which date or year......................? (6)Which authority approve the file .............? If you have not receive your Funds in any of this offices measured,this High Court will make sure you receive it within 48hours once you comp-lair with this Email. Thanks. Best Regard. FROM HIGH COURT BENIN |
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After due deliberation I decided
NO BET It's too much of a coin-flip. Some people Are, some people are NOT. Day 244 in a few hours. I think I'll play it safe and not take the bet. |
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After due deliberation I decided NO BET It's too much of a coin-flip. Some people Are, some people are NOT. Day 244 in a few hours. I think I'll play it safe and not take the bet. View Quote My whole point was your estimates are likely way off, and it seems after due deliberation you agree. I was hoping to profit from it as well but it looks like I still proved my point. |
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Some people that sent in their Form 4's in early January are getting their Stamps. (Lucky ). So I'm going to hazard a guess and say that IF you mailed your Form-4 in today you just might pick it up mid April 2018. View Quote |
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After due deliberation I decided NO BET It's too much of a coin-flip. Some people Are, some people are NOT. Day 244 in a few hours. I think I'll play it safe and not take the bet. View Quote |
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By the way: My Class III IM'd me that one of the Suppressors that were sold After I bought mine got released from prison and is now happily home. Looking at the Screen Shot from NFATracker.com...It's safe to say Any Day Now. My Original Calculations were About Correct; that massive delivery by Silencer Shop sure messed things up for The Rest of Us. It made for great copy and publicity, but clogged the pipeline. On the other hand making The Wait so long got people angry at the Feds so they had to hire more staff. "If you are given lemons, go make some lemonade." Attached File |
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Individual. By the way: My Class III IM'd me that one of the Suppressors that were sold After I bought mine got released from prison and is now happily home. Looking at the Screen Shot from NFATracker.com...It's safe to say Any Day Now. My Original Calculations were About Correct; that massive delivery by Silencer Shop sure messed things up for The Rest of Us. It made for great copy and publicity, but clogged the pipeline. On the other hand making The Wait so long got people angry at the Feds so they had to hire more staff. "If you are given lemons, go make some lemonade." https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/40561/NFA_Tracker-296695.JPG View Quote Individual form 4 september 28 2016 went pending. I called about it three days ago. You're not even close. You MIGHT get lucky but the average says you've got months to go. Not days. Months. |
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1. NFA Item: Gem-Tech GM-22 2. Transferee Type: Individual 3. Method: Paper 4. Form Mailed: December 31 2016 5. Form Delivery: January 5, 2017 6. Check Cashed: January 10, 2017 7. Pending: 8. Approved: http://s6.postimg.org/d7c55vo0x/nfa_wait.gif View Quote Ive bought more since then so once they start I get a steady flow. Hopefully it helps. Lol |
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As a reference point, I was called today about a problem with my finger print card for a form 4 to a trust with check cashed on 4/30/2017.
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As a reference point, I was called today about a problem with my finger print card for a form 4 to a trust with check cashed on 4/30/2017. I don't know when the fingerprint check occurs, but I hope it means I'm close. View Quote I've been watching NFA tracker and individual form 4s are going quick but there seems to be very few form 4 trusts getting approved and they are farther behind. Is this because very few people submitted via trust post 41F or because the trusts are actually that much slower now? I hear that the background check is the slowest part, and the trust has to be verified also, but if I am the only person on the trust will it actually take months longer? Waiting on a March 20ish check cash date and deer season is getting closer by the day... |
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I called my Class III this afternoon. Nope, not yet.
Day 252 Some people are getting their's some aren't. Latest from NfaTracker.com: Attached File |
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Keep telling yourself that because of some numbers online. Like I said Individual form 4 september 28 2016 went pending. I called about it three days ago. You're not even close. You MIGHT get lucky but the average says you've got months to go. Not days. Months. View Quote I got both a form 4 individual from November and a form 1 individual from December back last month. 6 weeks between submissions, 9 days between approvals. |
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NFA tracker is pretty accurate for me. I got both a form 4 individual from November and a form 1 individual from December back last month. 6 weeks between submissions, 9 days between approvals. View Quote |
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Bullshit. Total bulkshit you have yours and mine from fucking September is still pending. View Quote Seriously though, approvals are all over the place and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. A few March and April individual form 1's have come back, but form 1 trusts seem stuck back in July/Aug. Individual form 4's are all spread out. It's a mess. |
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