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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:31:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Ron, do you cut AR barrels (to 12.70” for a Gordon build) or would you prefer to have that done already when fitting a collar and brake?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2023 2:03:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Ron, do you cut AR barrels (to 12.70” for a Gordon build) or would you prefer to have that done already when fitting a collar and brake? I try to let others do it. Dave or Steve both do good work. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 5:33:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:04:23 PM EDT
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@k31user will the m4 can mate to an spr collar?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 7:11:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nmxdavenn: Just a factory mod h. Been my main hunting rifle for a bit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/478694/703522325_021124public_jpeg-2787213.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/478694/703522310_126893public_jpeg-2787215.JPG This thing rocks man! I really need a mod H in my life! Too bad I have so many other projects. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 8:27:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheTacticalCoyote]
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Hey Ron, do you have any Gordon Cans left? I sent one email asking and just followed up with any other one.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 8:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nmxdavenn: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/478694/703804482_386890public_jpeg-2791029.JPG That's awesome. What barrel length? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:27:23 PM EDT
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What ARE the dimensions/differences on a Gordon can? I don’t see it on the website
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:41:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiteDingo: That's awesome. What barrel length? Thanks! 11ish. Chopped socom. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:56:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Brandonbeezy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: What ARE the dimensions/differences on a Gordon can? I don’t see it on the website @Subpar He has his in hand Edit: my f4 paperwork says 9.8 length its 1.5 diameter |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:36:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: @Subpar He has his in hand Edit: my f4 paperwork says 9.8 length its 1.5 diameter So that equates to more over the barrel expansion chamber space or actually more baffles? Obviously you get more velocity with a 14.5” vs a 12.7” barrel |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:58:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: So that equates to more over the barrel expansion chamber space or actually more baffles? Obviously you get more velocity with a 14.5” vs a 12.7” barrel About 2 inches more reflex over barrel i believe. I have no idea about the baffle pack. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2023 5:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: About 2 inches more reflex over barrel i believe. I have no idea about the baffle pack. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: So that equates to more over the barrel expansion chamber space or actually more baffles? Obviously you get more velocity with a 14.5” vs a 12.7” barrel About 2 inches more reflex over barrel i believe. I have no idea about the baffle pack. I asked a similar question regarding M24 and AEM5-30. M24 reflexes ~2” further over the barrel and adds less length at the and of the barrel bc it direct threads onto barrel without the brake. M24 and AEM5-30 have the same baffle stack per Ron. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 5:24:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: I asked a similar question regarding M24 and AEM5-30. M24 reflexes ~2” further over the barrel and adds less length at the and of the barrel bc it direct threads onto barrel without the brake. M24 and AEM5-30 have the same baffle stack per Ron. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: Originally Posted By Brandonbeezy: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: So that equates to more over the barrel expansion chamber space or actually more baffles? Obviously you get more velocity with a 14.5” vs a 12.7” barrel About 2 inches more reflex over barrel i believe. I have no idea about the baffle pack. I asked a similar question regarding M24 and AEM5-30. M24 reflexes ~2” further over the barrel and adds less length at the and of the barrel bc it direct threads onto barrel without the brake. M24 and AEM5-30 have the same baffle stack per Ron. Nice, Good info |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 6:29:12 PM EDT
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I’d be down for an M24 if Ron does another run…
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USA
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Posted: 4/22/2023 9:11:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ed_Victory]
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Gentlemen,
What’s the longest handguard I can use with a 16” Holland profile barrel w/AEM5 brake and collar? With a tape measure and my Mk. 1 eyeball, looks like a true 13” rail is the max. I’ve got a CMT 13” ARCA rail I’m hoping to use and I think I got lucky.  Can anyone confirm?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2023 9:31:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
[#17]
 AEM5 Is still king of the 5.56 can world. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 9:34:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: https://i.postimg.cc/Kc77bp87/IMG-20230422-123310652-HDR.jpg AEM5 Is still king of the 5.56 can world. Yes. What lam is that? Peq 2? |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 10:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ed_Victory: Gentlemen, What's the longest handguard I can use with a 16" Holland profile barrel w/AEM5 brake and collar? With a tape measure and my Mk. 1 eyeball, looks like a true 13" rail is the max. I've got a CMT 13" ARCA rail I'm hoping to use and I think I got lucky. Can anyone confirm? |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 10:16:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: Your eyeball is calibrated well. A 13" rail will work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: Originally Posted By Ed_Victory: Gentlemen, What's the longest handguard I can use with a 16" Holland profile barrel w/AEM5 brake and collar? With a tape measure and my Mk. 1 eyeball, looks like a true 13" rail is the max. I've got a CMT 13" ARCA rail I'm hoping to use and I think I got lucky. Can anyone confirm?Excellent, thank you.  |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:35:26 PM EDT
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2023 2:48:13 AM EDT
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I just read from Page 40 of this thread to current so you could say I am internet keyboard commando now on Ops Inc/AE
Pic thread: My issued Mk12 Mod 1 from my A-Stan deployment that I am finally deciding to clone 13 years later.   
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2023 7:30:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: I just read from Page 40 of this thread to current so you could say I am internet keyboard commando now on Ops Inc/AE Pic thread: My issued Mk12 Mod 1 from my A-Stan deployment that I am finally deciding to clone 13 years later. https://imgdump5.novarata.net/qd7j0o.jpg https://imgdump5.novarata.net/a4msvw.jpg Now that is cool! Thanks for the pics. I love to see rifles and gear in their element. Would love to hear some of your experiences w/ the rifle, suppressor, system as time goes on. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2023 6:59:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ed_Victory: Gentlemen, What’s the longest handguard I can use with a 16” Holland profile barrel w/AEM5 brake and collar? With a tape measure and my Mk. 1 eyeball, looks like a true 13” rail is the max. I’ve got a CMT 13” ARCA rail I’m hoping to use and I think I got lucky. Can anyone confirm?13.2” |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:35:37 PM EDT
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So I don’t need another can but I’ve had a drink or three here on my Friday night. Before I get a barrel cut to 12.7”, I want to verify…
I’m not interested in adding more length and weight above and beyond my AEM5 (Gordon being 1” longer and X grams heavier) so is there anything that mounts to 14.5” threads and utilizes a collar that is the same size as an AEM5 - obviously sacrificing some Db performance? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:48:24 PM EDT
[#26]
Well this is the ae thread so the proper answer can only be NO!
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2023 10:39:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: k31user]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: So I don’t need another can but I’ve had a drink or three here on my Friday night. Before I get a barrel cut to 12.7”, I want to verify… I’m not interested in adding more length and weight above and beyond my AEM5 (Gordon being 1” longer and X grams heavier) so is there anything that mounts to 14.5” threads and utilizes a collar that is the same size as an AEM5 - obviously sacrificing some Db performance? SO you want to mount an AEM5 on a 14.5, or you want to get a suppressor that isn't longer than an AEM5, but mounts on 1/2-28 threads with a collar like the M4? Maybe an M4 with an AEM3 baffle stack? Could also make a shorter back half M4 that would mount on an 11.5. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2023 12:34:47 AM EDT
[#28]
@k31user do you still have Gordon cans in stock?
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Posted: 4/24/2023 9:10:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: SO you want to mount an AEM5 on a 14.5, or you want to get a suppressor that isn't longer than an AEM5, but mounts on 1/2-28 threads with a collar like the M4? Maybe an M4 with an AEM3 baffle stack? Could also make a shorter back half M4 that would mount on an 11.5. Buy another suppressor Not larger than an AEM5 The rest is your wheelhouse Is that realistic or too far out of the ordinary? Just kickin around ideas |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2023 9:40:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Buy another suppressor Not larger than an AEM5 The rest is your wheelhouse Is that realistic or too far out of the ordinary? Just kickin around ideas What barrel length? |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 10:19:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: What barrel length? Probably just 14.5” for ease |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 2:23:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2023 3:25:38 PM EDT
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DE, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2023 3:49:14 PM EDT
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I’ve heard rumors of there being a trainer aem5 made and living in a ban state (that I can’t leave) I love this news for my mk12 I’m building at least look a little bit more correct in my eyes.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:24:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuietDemon: I’ve heard rumors of there being a trainer aem5 made and living in a ban state (that I can’t leave) I love this news for my mk12 I’m building at least look a little bit more correct in my eyes. I think a few people used to make them. I know JBI Armory did. But if you lived in a ban state, all you would need is an adapter, tube, and end cap? |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 9:06:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: https://i.postimg.cc/Kc77bp87/IMG-20230422-123310652-HDR.jpg AEM5 Is still king of the 5.56 can world. You building that helped push me to buy the M4.. even though thats an aem5.. that build has spurred ideas man.. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 9:08:03 PM EDT
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Does anyone who has both AEM5 and the M4 suppressor have the ability to post back to back sound tests?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2023 9:26:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: Does anyone who has both AEM5 and the M4 suppressor have the ability to post back to back sound tests? I will when the crown hands down it's blessing
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Posted: 4/27/2023 9:22:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: I will when the crown hands down it's blessing What are you at wait time on your m4 |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:17:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: What are you at wait time on your m4 Not long at all. I'm hoping it gets batched with my AEM5. Capitol Armory sent out an email not long ago that they're seeing an uptick in batch approvals. Fingers crossed the clone gods smile upon my paperwork 
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Posted: 4/28/2023 12:08:32 PM EDT
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@k31user
Do you have any more of the Gordon cans ? I just heard about these so I dug into my safe and pulled out my old m4 from back in the day before these things were cool again. It’s an original XM4 upper with the prototype style m4 feed rams and the A2 field sight upper and 14.5” m4 profile barrel , basically a 723. It’s already clone correct
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Posted: 4/28/2023 1:36:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dblazevich]
[#42]
Finally have my parts together and have a question
BCM 12.5" barrel, custom collar from Ron, Otter Creek muzzle brake With a crush washer on the brake, I am at 9.5 twists to seat fully. My understanding is that means I should replace the crush washer with shims to move the muzzle brake back towards the collar to get the ideal 7.5. However - I cound 8 threads on the suppressor, and 12+ on the muzzle brake, so that means I should have full thread engagement already, correct? If I don't mind the extra turns, there isn't anything hurt by having 9.5 instead of 7.5, correct? Thanks |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 2:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dblazevich: Finally have my parts together and have a question BCM 12.5" barrel, custom collar from Ron, Otter Creek muzzle brake With a crush washer on the brake, I am at 9.5 twists to seat fully. My understanding is that means I should replace the crush washer with shims to move the muzzle brake back towards the collar to get the ideal 7.5. However - I cound 8 threads on the suppressor, and 12+ on the muzzle brake, so that means I should have full thread engagement already, correct? If I don't mind the extra turns, there isn't anything hurt by having 9.5 instead of 7.5, correct? Thanks This is not a FSB style gun, right? Low price gas block and custom collar? |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 3:16:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: This is not a FSB style gun, right? Low price gas block and custom collar? This is an FSB style with a custom collar from Ron |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 4:21:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nmxdavenn]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dblazevich: Finally have my parts together and have a question BCM 12.5" barrel, custom collar from Ron, Otter Creek muzzle brake With a crush washer on the brake, I am at 9.5 twists to seat fully. My understanding is that means I should replace the crush washer with shims to move the muzzle brake back towards the collar to get the ideal 7.5. However - I cound 8 threads on the suppressor, and 12+ on the muzzle brake, so that means I should have full thread engagement already, correct? If I don't mind the extra turns, there isn't anything hurt by having 9.5 instead of 7.5, correct? Thanks I had adco cut down a socom for me for use with a aem5. I get a hair over 10 turns. I took a borescope and took a look and I don’t necessarily see any issues. I assumed the turn number was because of some internal clearance issue but there seems to be a lot of space. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 4:24:19 PM EDT
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If I remember in my talks with Ron, 9 turns is ideal.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 4:28:05 PM EDT
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Perfect, thanks y'all. Taking it to the range tomorrow to send it!
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Posted: 4/28/2023 5:00:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By home_alone1: @k31user Do you have any more of the Gordon cans ? I just heard about these so I dug into my safe and pulled out my old m4 from back in the day before these things were cool again. It’s an original XM4 upper with the prototype style m4 feed rams and the A2 field sight upper and 14.5” m4 profile barrel , basically a 723. It’s already clone correct Your best bet is to give him a call. Last time I talked to him he seemed pretty busy. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dblazevich: This is an FSB style with a custom collar from Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dblazevich: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: This is not a FSB style gun, right? Low price gas block and custom collar? This is an FSB style with a custom collar from Ron Fml Really? I didn’t think 12.5” was possible |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:24:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dblazevich: If I don't mind the extra turns, there isn't anything hurt by having 9.5 instead of 7.5, correct? Thanks Not to answer for Ron, but if the brake is screwed too far into the suppressor far enough that there are exposed threads in the blast chamber, those threads can get carboned up which could be an issue when you go to unscrew the suppressor. Bill |
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