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Posted: 12/11/2001 3:47:54 AM EDT
I am about to write an article about the 5 "evil" features that distinguish a preban to a post ban rifle on my internet site about firearms.
The purpose is to make to know in Italy, between gun amateurs, how the things are going on in the USA and to deny any validity of those 5 bs rules...
Can anyone list those features correctly?

I remember:

1)removable mag
2)flashider
3)pistol grip
4)bayonet lug
5) ?

Can anyone also indicate me the reasons (to me incomprehensible ones...)that antigun support for each of those features?

The article will be written in Italian but also translated and published in English.
Thank you for the help...
Link Posted: 12/11/2001 4:02:07 AM EDT
Folding or collapsible stock. MIKE.
Link Posted: 12/11/2001 5:11:42 AM EDT
Actually, the removeable magazine isn't exactly an evil feature.
Here's the law word for word of what defines an assault weapon:

A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) a bayonet mount;

(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) a grenade launcher;

A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of:

(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;

(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and

A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and

(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
Link Posted: 12/11/2001 7:08:34 AM EDT
Just curious, Paolo, does Italy have gun laws as screwed up as those here in the USA?
Link Posted: 12/11/2001 7:17:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2001 8:42:41 AM EDT by Quarterbore]

Can anyone also indicate me the reasons (to me incomprehensible ones...)that antigun support for each of those features?


The reason these features were chosen had nothing to do with what these characteristics do but instead they looked at "Military Style Weapons" and defined a Military weapon based on the presence of these features!

The problem for lawmakers is how to write a law that describes what a Military style Assault rifle is or was. They looked at examples and these were the general characteristics that they considered to be found on the weapons that they wanted to eliminate. Lucky for us here in the USA that it is still quite possible to make an AR-15 without the flash supressor, bayonet lug, grenade launcher, and a telescoping stock such that new AR-15s can still be made and sold.

Now, the law itself is stupid as a flash supressor really doesn't affect it's usefullness as a military weapon, I don't hear of many people killed by bayonets these days, if I could afford to buy a grenade launcher I can afford to buy a pre-ban to mount it on PLUS a grenade launcher and grenades are NFA registered items so requiring a rifle not to accept a grenade launcher is rather mute, and finally the folding stock makes the weapon more portable but doesn't affect it's lethality in the least.

Oh well, stupid people wrote this bill and more stupid people let it pass. A post ban is just as deadly as a pre-ban in the wrong hands and if this country would PUNISH THE CRIMINALS doing crimes the government wouldn't need to write laws intent on making weapons less effective for criminals to use. This is another of those LIBERAL American laws trying to prevent a crime by altering the means with which the CRIMINAL will do the crime!

ABSOLUTELY STUPID IN MY OPINION!

Edited to fix some of my Typos...
Link Posted: 12/11/2001 8:34:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:

Can anyone also indicate me the reasons (to me incomprehensible ones...)that antigun support for each of those features?


The reason these features were chosen had nothing to do with what these characteristics do but instead they looked at "Military Style Weapons" and defined a Millitary weapon based on the presence of these features!

The problem for lawmakers is how to write a law that describes what a Military style Assault rifle is or was. They looked at examples and these were the general characteristics that they considered to be found on the weapons that they wanted to eliminate. Lucky for us here in the USA that it is still quite possible to make an AR-15 without the flash supressor, bayonet lug, grenade launcher, and a telescoping stock such that new AR-15s can still be made and sold.

Now, the law itself is stupid as a flash supressor really doesn't affect it's usefullness as a military weapon, I don't hear of many people killed by bayonets these days, if I could afford to buy a grenade launcher I can afford to buy a pre-ban to mount it on PLUS a grenade launcher and grenades are NFA registered items so requiring a rifle not to accept a grenade launcher is rather mute, and finally the folding stock makes the weapon more portable but doesn't affect it's lethality in the least.

Oh well, stupid people wrote this bill and more stupid people let it pass. A post ban is just as deadly as a pre-ban in the wrong hands and if this country would PUNISH THE CRIMINALS ding crimes the government wouldn't need to write laws intent on making weapons less effective for criminals to use. This is another of those LIBERAL American laws trying to prevent a crime by alterint the means the crime will be performed instead of PUNISHING the people that do the crime!

ABSOLUTELY STUPID IN MY OPPINION!



The title of my article is "Evil ones or simply stupid ones?"

Got your point and, believe, it is also mine.
When I'll publish in my internet site I'll post again to notice you all.

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