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Posted: 11/28/2001 11:42:06 AM EDT
historychannel.com and order on VHS "Tale's of the Gun - The M16", and put all these myth's to rest.

Thank ya, A Thank Ya very much.
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 1:26:55 PM EDT
Seen it many times, and didn't even have to buy it. If you really want to know the REAL truth, spend your money on a copy of "The Black Rifle".
Sorry, being a book, you'll have to read it.
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 1:34:50 PM EDT
I'm only talking to the one's here that don't know what's up, not you my man. The one's here that think AR stand's for "Assault Rifle or some shit". Why does everyone say that the seal's use AR15's it's M16's right? The AR was what became the M16, am I wrong? Hey can I get that book online at amazon or ebooks?


Link Posted: 11/28/2001 1:35:29 PM EDT
And the truth is ???????
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 2:18:57 PM EDT
Here's the info: "The Black Rifle - M16 Retrospective" ISBN 0-88935-115-5
Expect to pay around $50. It may be out of print, but I still see it pop up on eBay from time to time. Every AR owner should have a copy.
Note - this is not a "how to" book, it is a history book.
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 2:25:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 3:54:49 PM EDT
I strongly second the advice given by Gus

BTW, it´s SEAL
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 8:53:44 PM EDT
.......your nearest Army recruiter, and tell him you want to be an 11B.
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 9:43:07 PM EDT
what's an M16?
HUNTER FROM ARGENTINA
OUT.
Link Posted: 11/28/2001 9:54:31 PM EDT
Read the following books: "The Black Rifle" and "Misfire: the history of the Springfield Armory." The title on the second book is a bit hazy too me. But it does a deal a lot about the AR10, AR15, and M16 projects and the demise of the Springfield Armory towards the end of the book.
Link Posted: 11/29/2001 4:51:21 AM EDT
Two words. Fort Benning.

QS
Link Posted: 11/29/2001 5:05:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jander100:
I'm only talking to the one's here that don't know what's up, not you my man. The one's here that think AR stand's for "Assault Rifle or some shit". Why does everyone say that the seal's use AR15's it's M16's right? The AR was what became the M16, am I wrong? Hey can I get that book online at amazon or ebooks?



It don't recall anyone saying that SEALS use AR15's, except in 'Nam where they used everything. The full auto AR15's were called just that before official adoption, but SF and SEALS were using them, as well as CAR15's, and just about any other neat thing before the adoption of the M16 designation. Jander, what is the current designation of the current carbine version of the M16?
Link Posted: 12/1/2001 10:09:59 AM EDT
The Armalite Division of the Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation, Costa Mesa, CA was established in 1954 for the sole purpose of developing military firearms using the latest in plastics and non-ferrous materials. It's team of Eugene M. Stoner - key designer, Robert Fremont - prototype manufacturing supervisor, and L. James Sullivan - who oversaw drafting work had been they key developers of the AR-15.
Prior to the AR-15, Armalite had developed:
AR-1 - 7.62 NATO parasniper rifle, extremely lightweight, using Mauser-type bolt action; only prototypes built in 1954
AR-3 - 7.62 NATO self-loader using aluminum receiver, fiberglass stock, and multiple lug locking system similar to the one later incorporated into the AR-10
AR-5 - .22 Hornet survival rifle developed for US Air Force and officially designated the MA-1
AR-7 - .22 long rifle self-loader, receiver and barrel store in plastic stock. (1959-1960)
AR-9 - 12 gauge self-loading shotgun with aluminum barrel and receiver (5lbs) 1955
AR-10 - 7.62 NATO auto-loader, aluminum receivers, led to AR-15 design
The AR-15, designed around slightly enlarged version of the .222 case firing a 55gr projectile at 3300fps, and weighing in at 6.7lbs, took some of the best features from earlier designs:
locking system similar to Johnson Automatic Rifle
gas system from Swedish Ljungman AG42B
in-line stock to help with manageability during auto fire
hinged upper/lower from FN-FAL
rear sight in carry handle like British EM2
ejector port cover from MP44
Project SALVO, a number of studies conducted by the Operations Research Office at Johns Hopkins University and supported by several contractors chose the AR-15 as the best small caliber weapon and it was adopted as the M16. The AR-15 had met all of the CONARC requirements, and AR-15 production could be highly automated, making it inexpensive to manufacture. It's 5.56mm cartridge fired a small 55gr bullet at nearly 3000fps, and it was accurate and effective to 350 yards. That small cartridge combined with the buffer system and inline stock made it far more controllable in automatic fire than the M14.
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funny how it goes. The AR15 was originally designed AND built by a CIVILIAN manufacturer whci in reality makes the AR15 a civliain firearm BEFORE it was a military firearm.

as for the "AR" well it was made by ARmalite. shouldn't be too hard to figure out should it?
Link Posted: 12/1/2001 12:47:03 PM EDT
J.C.! How old is this Jander kid, 14? This forum is not for immature pimply-faced 's.
Link Posted: 12/2/2001 3:20:55 PM EDT
I don't know how old he is, but he's got a lot of time to play on the computer and not a lot of knowledge about guns. As well as a shitty attitude (the threat to jam an AK up another member's rectum comes to mind).
Link Posted: 12/3/2001 2:47:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2001 2:39:32 PM EDT by JIH]

Originally Posted By Sparky315:
I don't know how old he is, but he's got a lot of time to play on the computer and not a lot of knowledge about guns. As well as a shitty attitude (the threat to jam an AK up another member's rectum comes to mind).



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