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Posted: 10/25/2001 5:00:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2001 4:54:51 PM EDT by a2carbine]
I got Beretta M9 about 5 days ago and i like the gun but it's to damn big.
It shot great! but I can't use it as a CCW.

I sold it today(I chang gun like I change undees) and don't know what to try next.
I'm soooooo damn picky but I have to get just the right gun.

Here is what I need and what I have tryed:DA(for school) 4" barrel min.,no longer than 7",no taller than 5",iI would like a 9mm so I could have highcaps in a gun this size but if there is a 10 round .45 thats even better.

I have had :Glock19,Sig226,Para-Ord, and a Beretta 92/M9
What eles is there for me to try out?


ps:please no S&Ws.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:06:31 PM EDT
Definitley HS.

Better than your Beretta, and better than Glocks- and pretty much fits in the size range you required.
They are getting expensive though. Get one while you still can.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:09:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2001 5:04:12 PM EDT by CockedandLocked]
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:20:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2001 5:18:06 PM EDT by Robbie]
The Glock 19, Sig 226 and Beretta 92 are all well-designed guns. But it's true, if it doesn't fit with the concealment you have in mind, then odds are you won't take it with you.

I'm guessing that size was the determining factor with all three guns above? So the Glock 19 being the smallest, let's start with that as a benchmark.

The G30 is about the same size as the 19...a bit thicker....so scratch that.

Glock's 26 (9mm), 27 (.40), and 33 (.357 Sig) are all about a half inch shorter in the barrel and stock.

Sig's subcompacts are the P239 series in 9mm, .40 S&W and .357 Sig. The Sig P245 mentioned above is a smaller version of the P220. I've haven't tried the P245, but the P220 is one sweet shooting pistol! I even carried a P220 for a little bit. It's longer than the Glock 19, but not quite as thick. It's one I had to "dress around."

Taurus just came out with their PT-145 in .45. A friend just picked one up...quite small, that's for sure! Especially for a 10+1 capacity.

Para-Ordinance makes about the smallest of the 1911-style pistols. They make them with double-stack mags or single-stack mags..single or double action...
www.paraord.com/pages/single/645L.html

www.paraord.com/pages/pseries/p1045.html

Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:20:48 PM EDT
HK P7 M8 ... 5"H, 6-1/2"L, 1"thick, 9rnds, nothing faster, fully ambi, same trigger pull, flat mags, accurate. Try that. Stay safe.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:26:12 PM EDT
Sig P245
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:26:28 PM EDT
Damn it! I'm sorry I should have said
I wanted a duty weapon that I can use as CCW off duty.

The G19 was really just the right but me and Mr Glock don't see eye to eye on the hole"no need for ant real safty" deal.

I had the damn gun go off in my house!I have never done that.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:31:11 PM EDT
Glocks, even with the lack of external safety, usually don't go off by themselves.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:38:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By a2carbine:
The G19 was really just the right



For G19-sized...how about the Sig P229...very nice...
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:38:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:50:30 PM EDT
"I'm sorry dude but that it isn't really Glock's fault, I hope you don't own a d.a. revolver either."

Dude you can flame me if you want but evry other gun maker sees fit to put sefties on there guns.
Even a small chance is to much.

Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:56:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:58:41 PM EDT
Why don't you just get a Kimber Polymer. IT holds ten rounds of 45 acp and they are known for there superior accuracy. I never had a Kimber that didn't shoot great. You can also get that in a 40 cal.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 6:02:05 PM EDT
Sigs have no safeties either. Pull the trigger, it goes bang. It has a decocker, but when decocked, just one DA trigger pull causes it to fire. The M9 and the Para will have true safeties if that's what you are all about. You don't have to pull the trigger on the sig to break it down if that was your problem with the glock(sometimes that causes troubles, although you should always check the chamber of any gun before breaking it down). As far as safeties go, some people like the added sense of no accidental misfires, but the others hate them because of accidental non-fires. Personally if I grab my handgun, I want to just point and shoot, not worry if it has the safety on or not. But no gun will go off unless you physically pull the trigger(except for those real winners out of japan during WW2).
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 6:05:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kevin:
It isn't really intended to be that much of a flame, I'm sorry. Plain and simple there are more double action revolvers out there than Glocks, d.a. revolvers don't have safeties either. If you consider both of types of firearms flawed you've probably crossed off maybe 30-40% of the handguns in the world.



I did not know that about the revolvers
It;s not that I think they are flawed,maybe I'm just to ruff with guns but running fight,ect I don't feel good with a gun thats cocked but not locked and I may very well find my self doing these things at some time.
If I was just going to use my G19 as a CCW off duty only it would be fine,I did it for 2 years.

mrassII,STOP MAN! your gon'a make me cry[>Q]I know thats what I should buy but I have to have a DA for law enforcement.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 6:11:05 PM EDT
Browning Hi-Power
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 6:16:22 PM EDT
Oops
My 1911 LtWt Commanders fall short of your criteria,HeHe
cpermd
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 7:21:12 PM EDT
McUzi is correct. The HS2000 is one hell of a pistol. It is 1000X better than my piece of crap Kimber Polymer. The beavertail safety and other safety features make it safer to carry than a glock.

Spend the $300 and go home happy.

Live Free

Link Posted: 10/25/2001 7:29:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By a2carbine:
I did not know that about the revolvers
It;s not that I think they are flawed,maybe I'm just to ruff with guns but running fight,ect I don't feel good with a gun thats cocked but not locked and I may very well find my self doing these things at some time.
If I was just going to use my G19 as a CCW off duty only it would be fine,I did it for 2 years.




Scary.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 7:47:14 PM EDT
"Scary"......why?
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 8:23:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rabbit:

Originally Posted By a2carbine:
I did not know that about the revolvers
It;s not that I think they are flawed,maybe I'm just to ruff with guns but running fight,ect I don't feel good with a gun thats cocked but not locked and I may very well find my self doing these things at some time.
If I was just going to use my G19 as a CCW off duty only it would be fine,I did it for 2 years.




Scary.



Well, I gotta agree with that!
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