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Posted: 6/5/2019 11:07:55 AM EDT

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Mostly FTF issues, but also light primer strikes.

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I saw reports of broken cam pins

Posted: 6/7/2019 12:19:32 AM EDT

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That's unacceptable from $1K gun let alone a $3k gun.

Posted: 6/7/2019 3:42:13 PM EDT

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Go with the APC now. Parts are becoming more available. Especially now that the military will be using B&T.

Posted: 6/8/2019 2:39:40 PM EDT

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Not trying to negate their success, but the military buying a couple hundred 9mm APC's over a decade that won't be used in combat really isn't telling the the 5.56's market share.

Posted: 6/8/2019 4:44:24 PM EDT

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Apc 9 has nothing to do with the APC 223.

Posted: 6/9/2019 3:48:01 PM EDT

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I believe the cam pin issues were a batch of heat treat. I think I saw a total of two breaking.

B&T has been awarded small military contracts for the 8" APC556 in foreign nations as well so it has been put through the paces.

Posted: 6/23/2019 11:39:02 PM EDT

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I've definitively been going back and forth since I 1st saw a APC223. It's still a unicorn gun. However I've been seeing a large uptick of all B&T in recent months. I ended up getting a APC9 (gen1) a few months ago and recently picked up a APC9SD. I would not hesitate to nab a GHM9 and now looking hard again at the APC223. I don't want to hang on to a bunch of 5.56 but I may let go of my beloved 805 for fund HALF of the APC223. Except for that one guy I have not heard of any issues. And if B&T want to be taken seriously they should have a customer service that should take care of issues. So yeah, the MPX and Bren are going to be sold, APC223 I should have in a few months. Keep my 5.56 harem to 4 carbines. 2 as AR, my ARX (factory SBR) and the APC223.

Posted: 8/7/2019 5:58:29 PM EDT

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Update - APC223 ordered.

my son, who is in AFG right now, will buy my Bren 805 for a super deal for him. Selling MPX.

I now have 3 B&T guns

Posted: 8/8/2019 2:25:11 AM EDT

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Update - APC223 ordered.

my son, who is in AFG right now, will buy my Bren 805 for a super deal for him. Selling MPX.

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Congrats on the purchase. Amazing engineering in these B&T's products, pics on web are one thing, but the quality feeling of handling these creatures is something else entirely. I think these will be one of those things in the future that people couldn't imagine were readily available at one time.

Is it just me or have prices shot up a few hundred bucks on recently?

Posted: 8/8/2019 11:59:22 AM EDT

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They do seem to increase in price quite frequently, dont they.

On the other hand, there's a lot of hate in the ghm9 thread over in the pcc section for not being able to cycle 147gr flat nose.

OP, be sure to make updates in this thread on your APC223. I still have yet to even pull mine out of the safe

. I need to figure out a sling situation. There doesnt seem to be any good solutions from what I've seen.

Posted: 8/9/2019 5:21:58 AM EDT

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Is it just me or have prices shot up a few hundred bucks on recently?

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Not exactly. The APC-Pro are out and more to come, those, of course as everything else that just comes out sells for a premium.

All others took a slight to modest dip in prices. I got my APC9SD with suppressor at $2500 shipped. I see the GHM9 went up about 10%. I managed to get the 223 for a slight discount. I don't foresee B&T dropping prices much in the future.

I also see Bren 805 S1 going substantially more than what I got mine.

Next on the list is a GHM9

Posted: 8/9/2019 6:17:26 AM EDT

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I’ve seen price hikes, not the opposite. The GHM9 used to be about $1150, right? The Gen 2 is now $1500. The former Scorpion killer is now twice the price of a Scorpion. I paid $1750 for my APC9 about a year ago from Arms Unlimited, now that price point is long gone.

Posted: 8/13/2019 10:54:34 AM EDT

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I absolutely love my APC223's and my APC300. About the only thing I would change is a sexier stock and I'm about to start testing out an ACR stock and may convert my others over if I really like it.

Posted: 9/4/2019 5:04:23 PM EDT

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@dirtyharriet

Bringing back an old thread here...

I just bought a APC 223

What suppressors are everyone using on their 223? What is the thread pitch? What suppressor is the included muzzle device made for/compatible with?

Posted: 9/4/2019 5:23:56 PM EDT

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1/2 x 28 right hand is what I read on Dakota tactical website
I haven’t run a suppressor on mine yet but plan too

These guns really are amazing.
If I could order a b&t apc 308 with a 16 inch barrel I’d order it right now but I can’t find any

Posted: 9/4/2019 5:42:21 PM EDT

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1/2 x 28 right hand is what I read on Dakota tactical website
I haven’t run a suppressor on mine yet but plan too

These guns really are amazing.
If I could order a b&t apc 308 with a 16 inch barrel I’d order it right now but I can’t find any

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Scott at Tarheel State Firearms has them in stock. They are actually the 14.5" versions with a flash hider that is pinned and welded to make them 16.3". This is the only choice right now for a non NFA version since all of the longer 18.9" DMR versions have been long sold out. I hope to pick up my 16.3" version within the next 1-2 weeks... just have to find the time to make it back over to see Scott at THSF since he is holding one for me. Scott is the best in the business when it comes to B&T and I think any one here would highly recommend doing business with him... he is first class all the way.

https://tarheelstatefirearms.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=17_122&product_id=459

Posted: 9/4/2019 5:49:08 PM EDT

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Bringing back an old thread here...

I just bought a APC 223

What suppressors are everyone using on their 223? What is the thread pitch? What suppressor is the included muzzle device made for/compatible with?

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I'm running SICO Saker 5.56's on my APC223's and a SICO Saker 7.62 on my APC300. I also picked up all of my suppressors from Scott at THSF... he is a one stop shop for your B&T firearm and suppressor needs.

Posted: 9/4/2019 6:53:51 PM EDT

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I'm running SICO Saker 5.56's on my APC223's and a SICO Saker 7.62 on my APC300. I also picked up all of my suppressors from Scott at THSF... he is a one stop shop for your B&T firearm and suppressor needs.

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Is the included muzzle device a surefire flash hider?

I haven’t picked up my APC yet...

Posted: 9/4/2019 7:07:10 PM EDT

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I'm running SICO Saker 5.56's on my APC223's and a SICO Saker 7.62 on my APC300. I also picked up all of my suppressors from Scott at THSF... he is a one stop shop for your B&T firearm and suppressor needs.

Is the included muzzle device a surefire flash hider?

I haven’t picked up my APC yet...

Well if you look at THSF's 16.3" APC308 purchase page it has a drop down menu where different choices for flash hider can be made... including a surefire flash hider. That is one that I am choosing because you can't run Saker 762's on the APC308 with less than an 18" barrel... too much back pressure. You must use a low back pressure suppressor designed can like a Surefire Socom style suppressor or something similar.

Posted: 9/5/2019 12:00:40 AM EDT

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I called Scott. He was extremely nice
I was planning on running a silencer co hybrid on the 14.3 inch b&t apc 308. He was nice enough to inform me that it it rated to a 16 inch barrel with 308
And I would have messed up my suppressor
I ordered a vox s suppressor with silencer co ASR
Adaptor but I don’t see that as an option on the tar heel firearms website
I don’t think they would take the surefire adaptor off and re-pin with a silencerco adaptor

Posted: 9/5/2019 7:41:04 AM EDT

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I'm running SICO Saker 5.56's on my APC223's and a SICO Saker 7.62 on my APC300. I also picked up all of my suppressors from Scott at THSF... he is a one stop shop for your B&T firearm and suppressor needs.

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I already have two suppressors in jail at THSF. Guess I need a third...any other 5.56 suppressor suggestion other thank the Sico Saker?

Posted: 9/5/2019 8:50:00 AM EDT

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I called Scott. He was extremely nice
I was planning on running a silencer co hybrid on the 14.3 inch b&t apc 308. He was nice enough to inform me that it it rated to a 16 inch barrel with 308
And I would have messed up my suppressor
I ordered a vox s suppressor with silencer co ASR
Adaptor but I don’t see that as an option on the tar heel firearms website
I don’t think they would take the surefire adaptor off and re-pin with a silencerco adaptor

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I asked him about having a SICO flash hider put on the APC308 also because I have a lot of SICO suppressors... that is when he informed me that SICO has no low back pressure suppressors... they are all high pressure. I was pretty bummed that I have to buy yet another suppressor but that's the breaks some times.

Posted: 9/5/2019 9:00:28 AM EDT

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I already have two suppressors in jail at THSF. Guess I need a third...any other 5.56 suppressor suggestion other thank the Sico Saker?

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I'm running SICO Saker 5.56's on my APC223's and a SICO Saker 7.62 on my APC300. I also picked up all of my suppressors from Scott at THSF... he is a one stop shop for your B&T firearm and suppressor needs.

I already have two suppressors in jail at THSF. Guess I need a third...any other 5.56 suppressor suggestion other thank the Sico Saker?

I really don't have any exact suggestions... if I were you I would talk to Scott and let him know what your needs truly are. If you don't want to purchase a lot of suppressors and if you ever want to shoot 300BLK or 7.62 also... you might want to consider getting a 30 cal suppressor instead. It won't be quite as quiet as a 5.56 can but is way more versatile. You also have to consider barrel length for back pressures and max pressures with SBR's. That is why it is good to have a well thought out strategy going in to try and cover as many bases as possible to keep expenses down. I don't like to hot swap so I've gone with dedicated suppressors. Between upgrades and older purchases I have ended up with a crazy amount of suppressors and still need a few more unfortunately. It gets pretty frustrating some times because there seems to be no end to the financial burden of this hobby.

Posted: 9/5/2019 10:51:38 AM EDT

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I really don't have any exact suggestions... if I were you I would talk to Scott and let him know what your needs truly are. If you don't want to purchase a lot of suppressors and if you ever want to shoot 300BLK or 7.62 also... you might want to consider getting a 30 cal suppressor instead. It won't be quite as quiet as a 5.56 can but is way more versatile. You also have to consider barrel length for back pressures and max pressures with SBR's. That is why it is good to have a well thought out strategy going in to try and cover as many bases as possible to keep expenses down. I don't like to hot swap so I've gone with dedicated suppressors. Between upgrades and older purchases I have ended up with a crazy amount of suppressors and still need a few more unfortunately. It gets pretty frustrating some times because there seems to be no end to the financial burden of this hobby.

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I'm running SICO Saker 5.56's on my APC223's and a SICO Saker 7.62 on my APC300. I also picked up all of my suppressors from Scott at THSF... he is a one stop shop for your B&T firearm and suppressor needs.

I already have two suppressors in jail at THSF. Guess I need a third...any other 5.56 suppressor suggestion other thank the Sico Saker?

I really don't have any exact suggestions... if I were you I would talk to Scott and let him know what your needs truly are. If you don't want to purchase a lot of suppressors and if you ever want to shoot 300BLK or 7.62 also... you might want to consider getting a 30 cal suppressor instead. It won't be quite as quiet as a 5.56 can but is way more versatile. You also have to consider barrel length for back pressures and max pressures with SBR's. That is why it is good to have a well thought out strategy going in to try and cover as many bases as possible to keep expenses down. I don't like to hot swap so I've gone with dedicated suppressors. Between upgrades and older purchases I have ended up with a crazy amount of suppressors and still need a few more unfortunately. It gets pretty frustrating some times because there seems to be no end to the financial burden of this hobby.

Sometimes it can be quieter than a 5.56 due to the extra volume of the .30 cal can.

Posted: 9/6/2019 11:38:58 AM EDT

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I’m a little confused on the posted sizes for the APC223. Atlantic firearms has it listed at 611 mm which is almost 25 inches when folded. And has the size listed at almost 32 inches when the stock is deployed. Looking at photos online it looks to be at most 4 to 6 inches bigger than an APC9 which would put it shorter like 20” folded / 28” deployed. Also some disparity in barrel length measurements from 8.3-8.9”. Figure that’s measuring with or without FH but unsure.

Has anyone broken it down size, weight, etc?

Posted: 9/7/2019 10:15:19 AM EDT

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I’m a little confused on the posted sizes for the APC223. Atlantic firearms has it listed at 611 mm which is almost 25 inches when folded. And has the size listed at almost 32 inches when the stock is deployed. Looking at photos online it looks to be at most 4 to 6 inches bigger than an APC9 which would put it shorter like 20” folded / 28” deployed. Also some disparity in barrel length measurements from 8.3-8.9”. Figure that’s measuring with or without FH but unsure.

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Mine is about 20 3/4" folded and 29" with the BT folding stock deployed. That is with a Dead Air FH on the muzzle.

Posted: 9/9/2019 8:28:07 PM EDT

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Well I finally made it down to THSF and picked up my B&T APC308 with 16.3 barrel. I put on my waiting accessories and she is pretty much ready to be sighted in. I hope to make it out to the range in the next 3-4 weeks to stretch her legs and see what kind of groupings I can get.

Posted: 9/9/2019 9:58:26 PM EDT

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Wow. That is a piece of artwork!

Posted: 9/9/2019 10:47:05 PM EDT

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Well I finally made it down to THSF and picked up my B&T APC308 with 16.3 barrel. I put on my waiting accessories and she is pretty much ready to be sighted in. I hope to make it out to the range in the next 3-4 weeks to stretch her legs and see what kind of groupings I can get.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121296/B_T_APC_308_with_SB_scope-1084910.jpg

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Oh wow. Who is making ACR adapters for the APC?

Posted: 9/10/2019 8:15:45 AM EDT

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Well I finally made it down to THSF and picked up my B&T APC308 with 16.3 barrel. I put on my waiting accessories and she is pretty much ready to be sighted in. I hope to make it out to the range in the next 3-4 weeks to stretch her legs and see what kind of groupings I can get.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121296/B_T_APC_308_with_SB_scope-1084910.jpg

Oh wow. Who is making ACR adapters for the APC?

I got the ACR stock adaptor from Dan Haga Designs. I'm switching all of my B&T APC's over to this design. It looks amazing and is extremely comfortable.

https://danhagadesigns.com/b-t-apc-acr-adapter/

Posted: 9/13/2019 3:10:50 PM EDT

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Finally got around to picking mine up. Feels real good. Hopefully I can shoot it a little next week.

Will this brace fit on a APC9? It has 223/300 marked on it but THSF lists their APC collapsible stock for all APC models.

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Posted: 9/13/2019 5:02:00 PM EDT

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Finally got around to picking mine up. Feels real good. Hopefully I can shoot it a little next week.

Will this brace fit on a APC9? It has 223/300 marked on it but THSF lists their APC collapsible stock for all APC models.

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It will not work in the APC9/45 series. They are slightly different and that is why they are clearly marked which models they will work with thank goodness. BTW your APC223 looks great man... congrats!!!

P.S... if you look at the THSF link for the telescopic stocks... it has a drop down box which normally lets you select which stock you want. They are currently out of the APC9/45 version hence it does not show in the drop down menu.

http://www.tarheelstatefirearms.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=57_123&product_id=366

Posted: 9/20/2019 8:41:37 AM EDT

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My APC didnt come with BUIS. Are the factory APC BUIS the same as GHM9 BUIS?

Posted: 9/20/2019 9:32:24 AM EDT

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I don’t have a GHM9 so I can’t compare but they are polymer and have no identifiable brand markings

Posted: 9/23/2019 8:07:48 PM EDT

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Yes, mine were the same on both guns. Both of mine are early release/first gen guns.

Posted: 9/24/2019 11:14:44 PM EDT

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Just saw on Facebook that a few bolt carriers are starting to crack at the bottom where the cam path ends. Anyone check theirs?

Posted: 9/28/2019 9:00:31 PM EDT

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Any updates on the carrier issue? I have until Monday evening to decide if i want to buy a new APC300 from my dealer for a good deal, and hearing news about cracked carries has me iffy.

Posted: 9/29/2019 10:15:49 AM EDT

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Any updates on the carrier issue? I have until Monday evening to decide if i want to buy a new APC300 from my dealer for a good deal, and hearing news about cracked carries has me iffy.

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I have two APC223's and an APC300 and have had NO issues whatsoever. I would not hesitate to purchase an APC300... I say FO.

Posted: 11/7/2019 9:08:17 AM EDT

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THSF lists two blast deflector options. Do both work on the factory APC 223 muzzle device?

Posted: 11/7/2019 10:44:46 PM EDT

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Well I finally made it down to THSF and picked up my B&T APC308 with 16.3 barrel. I put on my waiting accessories and she is pretty much ready to be sighted in. I hope to make it out to the range in the next 3-4 weeks to stretch her legs and see what kind of groupings I can get.

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Excellent taste in rifle, optic, and mount. Well done.

Posted: 11/9/2019 10:33:28 PM EDT

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Nvm.

Posted: 11/22/2019 10:25:22 AM EDT

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Anyone have thoughts on the APC223 vs a 10.3” AR? Weight/Size/Overall Feel?

Haven’t had a chance to handle one and the stated weight is about 1+ lbs heavier than my 10.3” Mega. Just curious how does in a head to head with a high quality AR.

Posted: 11/22/2019 11:52:00 AM EDT

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Anyone have thoughts on the APC223 vs a 10.3” AR? Weight/Size/Overall Feel?

Haven’t had a chance to handle one and the stated weight is about 1+ lbs heavier than my 10.3” Mega. Just curious how does in a head to head with a high quality AR.

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The APC is definitely heavier. I think the APC feels like a tank compared to a standard DI AR both in terms of weight and quality. To me, it has more of a feel like a SCAR or HK416 due to the larger rail diameter and forward weight due to the piston systems.

Posted: 11/29/2019 5:26:10 AM EDT

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Anyone have good things to say about the telescoping stock for the 223? I know haha makes an ACR stock adapter but I’m kinda liking the idea of keeping the system small

Posted: 11/29/2019 3:43:55 PM EDT

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I prefer the mp5 style folder. Much cheaper, much lighter

Posted: 11/29/2019 4:06:34 PM EDT

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Anyone have good things to say about the telescoping stock for the 223? I know haha makes an ACR stock adapter but I’m kinda liking the idea of keeping the system small

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The APC223 I bought came with the collapsible stock and I initially intended to put on a ACR stock or the B&T folder but I actually really like it. It’s solid and the cheek weld and line of sight isn’t as bad as I anticipated.

Posted: 11/30/2019 1:55:11 AM EDT

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The APC223 I bought came with the collapsible stock and I initially intended to put on a ACR stock or the B&T folder but I actually really like it. It’s solid and the cheek weld and line of sight isn’t as bad as I anticipated.

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Yeah, I’ve been itching to see one pop up for sale used. I need a decent LOP so the folder is a no go and I’m just not a big enough fan of the ACR stock to go haga on that

Posted: 11/30/2019 7:38:24 AM EDT

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Yeah, I’ve been itching to see one pop up for sale used. I need a decent LOP so the folder is a no go and I’m just not a big enough fan of the ACR stock to go haga on that

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The B&T HK UMP folding stock will provide an extra inch LOP over the APC folder.

Posted: 11/30/2019 12:24:42 PM EDT

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The telescoping looks to have the best LOP I’m guessing by looking at it. Can’t find any nomenclature to be sure though

Posted: 12/11/2019 11:02:27 AM EDT

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What happens when the socialists take over and ban imports and imported parts, or if the foreign country doesn't allow exports?

For instance, FNC parts. Hardly existent. Parts for my Daewoo and FAMAS? Same.

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It'll cost some money, but any part can be recreated in this country.

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