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Posted: 9/6/2018 10:52:02 AM EDT

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So is the lower the same on both 5.56 and 7.62? Is that what the sleeve is for?

Posted: 9/6/2018 10:59:17 AM EDT

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Yes.

Posted: 9/6/2018 12:15:26 PM EDT

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Pics galore...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5nsT9LrwCUJtKGSc9

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@Trpclfvr , how is the trigger?

Posted: 9/6/2018 12:47:29 PM EDT

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I'm not a trigger connoisseur, so bare with me…

I describe it as two stage. First stage is clean and light. 2nd stage is when the interrupt hook runs into the back of the hammer. At this point you are feeling the light trigger spring, and now the heavier disconnector spring.

Fist stage is super easy to take all the way up.

Posted: 9/7/2018 8:05:56 AM EDT

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Go search gun broker @hox ....They are now out. 7.62x39 & 5.56. 8", 11", and 14" pistol options.

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If you ever want to get rid of that acr stock adapter, I will be interested.

So long as I possess the 805, I will never relinquish the ACR stock. I like it MUCH better than the original. If I had it my way, I'd just buy the Bren 2 on top of keeping this one.
http://i.imgur.com/B1wHS1C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ADSGETn.jpg

Go search gun broker @hox ....They are now out. 7.62x39 & 5.56. 8", 11", and 14" pistol options.

Yeah I found them, I just don't want to drop the coint since I JUST built up the 805 the way I like it. My luck i'd sell it, and by that time the Bren 2's that came in would be sold out, and I'd be left with nothing for awhile lol so I think I'll hold onto the 805 for now. I'll never get my money back out of the 805 with the 806 coming in.

Posted: 9/11/2018 9:08:27 PM EDT

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Bren L Bren 2 R

Brens 010 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr
Bren top Bren 2 bottom

Brens 011 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

Brens 012 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

I discovered the Bren 2's bolt is spring loaded

Brens 015 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

Brens 016 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

Brens 021 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

Bren 2 top Bren bottom

Brens 022 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

Bren 2 left Bren right

Brens 023 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

approx 17.125"

Brens 024 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

approx 15.5"

Brens 025 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

Posted: 9/11/2018 9:58:56 PM EDT

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Thanks for doing this

Posted: 9/12/2018 8:29:21 AM EDT

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Thanks for sharing those!

ETA: What does the stock mortise look like? Is it the same as the 805? Thanks!

Posted: 9/13/2018 2:56:15 PM EDT

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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/09/12/breaking-news-cz-unveils-new-bren-2-battle-rifle-in-7-62x51-308-win/

Posted: 9/13/2018 9:28:15 PM EDT

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Thanks for sharing those!

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The Bren 2/ 806 is a completely different gun than the 805.
805 on the left

Bren’s by TX 556Mav, on Flickr

Posted: 9/14/2018 5:17:09 AM EDT

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Nice comparison,

From the owner of a Scar 17, Its awesome to see CZ make revisions to the Bren. While the Scar is a good weapon, its essentially the same weapon that came off the line back in the mid 2000's. it baffles me how a 3500 rifle is still shipping with a 7 inch picatiny rail, shit trigger and is about 5 different shades of FDE.

I haven't picked up a Bren but I do have a Scorpion which I really like. I will eventually grab one as i think that CZ is better suited to accomplish the vision that was had for the SCAR.

Posted: 9/14/2018 4:48:50 PM EDT

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Anyone have a source for the Lucky Irishman ACR adapter?

Posted: 9/15/2018 4:55:24 PM EDT

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What is the apples to apples weight difference vs the 805? I can deal with the few minor faults of the 805 but I do hate how heavy it is vs lightweight ar15’s. Wish someone would engineer a way to skeletonize it where possible. Have you got it on a scale yet? This is awesome to see. The impulsive side of me wants to order one today but I hate seeing how much money I could have saved on the 805 if I was a few months more patient.

Posted: 9/15/2018 10:07:48 PM EDT

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805 11”
Upper and lower 6.5 lbs
Just the upper 5.5
With ACR stock 8.1

806/Bren 2 14”
Upper and lower 5.5
Just the upper 4.9
With brace and rear block/adapter 7.0

For comparison Scar 16 16” bbl 7.3

Posted: 9/15/2018 11:49:52 PM EDT

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Nice, actually coming in a little bit under a Scar

Posted: 9/18/2018 9:34:03 PM EDT

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Does anyone know if the factory Bren 2 stocks will be imported for those wanting to recreate an actual Bren 2 SBR via a Form 1?

Posted: 9/18/2018 9:37:20 PM EDT

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Does anyone know if the factory Bren 2 stocks will be imported for those wanting to recreate an actual Bren 2 SBR via a Form 1?

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More than likely they will but it probably won’t be until next year when they start bringing in more guns.

Posted: 9/18/2018 10:50:03 PM EDT

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More than likely they will but it probably won’t be until next year when they start bringing in more guns.

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Thanks. On an somewhat related topic, I know CZ-USA imports the Bren 805 stock (the one that comes with the rifle that folds and has a LOP adjustment/cheekpad), but I only see it in black. Does anyone know if they bring in the FDE version as well or is that only available via the FDE 805 rifle?

Posted: 9/22/2018 4:29:34 PM EDT

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Do the S1 1913 side rails work with the S2?

Posted: 9/24/2018 1:05:46 PM EDT

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No. The hole pattern is definitely different. If you want pic rails on the S2, we'll need to wait and see
if/when CZ offers them.

Posted: 9/24/2018 3:43:19 PM EDT

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No. The hole pattern is definitely different. If you want pic rails on the S2, we'll need to wait and see
if/when CZ offers them.

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Do the S1 1913 side rails work with the S2?

No. The hole pattern is definitely different. If you want pic rails on the S2, we'll need to wait and see
if/when CZ offers them.

I’m Manticore will have these available sometime

Posted: 9/24/2018 7:47:39 PM EDT

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The CZUB Website is now listing the 308 version of the Bren.
That wasn't there a few days ago.
https://www.czub.cz/en/produkty/automaticke-zbrane/cz-bren-2-br.html

The new Bren 2 rifle chambered in 308

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRz-ZH7Axgc

Posted: 9/24/2018 9:58:16 PM EDT

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The CZUB Website is now listing the 308 version of the Bren.
That wasn't there a few days ago.
https://www.czub.cz/en/produkty/automaticke-zbrane/cz-bren-2-br.html

https://www.czub.cz/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/6/_/6.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRz-ZH7Axgc

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She wasn’t happy with her last shot.

I really hope we get the .308 Bren 2 here in the US. I think that’s the version I want the most.

If the Tavor 7 and Bren 2 BR arrived at the same time, I think the Bren would win my wallet over.

Posted: 9/25/2018 9:07:37 AM EDT

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Anyone else get the DHD AR grip lower? Looking for another review or two before I purchase one

Posted: 9/25/2018 11:36:31 AM EDT

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She wasn’t happy with her last shot.

I really hope we get the .308 Bren 2 here in the US. I think that’s the version I want the most.

If the Tavor 7 and Bren 2 BR arrived at the same time, I think the Bren would win my wallet over.

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Yep I agree, I would love to own the 308 version!

Posted: 9/25/2018 7:33:15 PM EDT

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everything looks right about that 308 version

Posted: 9/27/2018 4:39:07 PM EDT

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The 308 magazine looks proprietary.

Posted: 9/27/2018 4:39:44 PM EDT

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Hopefully it'll take SR25 pattern mags.

Its been a while since I've owned a 308 PMAG. I guess that could be a newer version of them?

Posted: 9/28/2018 5:42:37 PM EDT

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My CZ pistol needs a CZ rifle companion.

Pretty excited about the .308 version.

Posted: 9/28/2018 9:10:59 PM EDT

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Hopefully it'll take SR25 pattern mags.

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The guy in the video says it's a pmag. I'm with you though it looks off.

Posted: 9/28/2018 9:43:17 PM EDT

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The guy in the video says it's a pmag. I'm with you though it looks off.

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Hopefully it'll take SR25 pattern mags.

Its been a while since I've owned a 308 PMAG. I guess that could be a newer version of them?

The guy in the video says it's a pmag. I'm with you though it looks off.

It's very, very close.
The base plate is 100% identical, and the mag in the CZ picture obviously has "skate tape" in the recessed areas.
However, the rib pattern is slightly different. Perhaps something Magpul is working on?

Anyway, I think it's safe to say that the Bren 2 in 308 would not have a proprietary mag that I can see.

eta: looking at them really close, the CZ one is something entirely new, probably something that they are making, but should be 100%
compatible with other AR10/SR25 mags.

Posted: 9/28/2018 10:23:40 PM EDT

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It's very, very close.
The base plate is 100% identical, and the mag in the CZ picture obviously has "skate tape" in the recessed areas.
However, the rib pattern is slightly different. Perhaps something Magpul is working on?

Anyway, I think it's safe to say that the Bren 2 in 308 would not have a proprietary mag that I can see.

eta: looking at them really close, the CZ one is something entirely new, probably something that they are making, but should be 100%
compatible with other AR10/SR25 mags.

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Hopefully it'll take SR25 pattern mags.

Its been a while since I've owned a 308 PMAG. I guess that could be a newer version of them?

The guy in the video says it's a pmag. I'm with you though it looks off.

It's very, very close.
The base plate is 100% identical, and the mag in the CZ picture obviously has "skate tape" in the recessed areas.
However, the rib pattern is slightly different. Perhaps something Magpul is working on?

Anyway, I think it's safe to say that the Bren 2 in 308 would not have a proprietary mag that I can see.

eta: looking at them really close, the CZ one is something entirely new, probably something that they are making, but should be 100%
compatible with other AR10/SR25 mags.

I am assuming this is the case. Just like HK makes their own mag. You can still use newer Pmags / Emags with it but they have their own design.

Posted: 9/29/2018 11:12:24 AM EDT

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I am assuming this is the case. Just like HK makes their own mag. You can still use newer Pmags / Emags with it but they have their own design.

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You know that does make sense. We need to remember that these guys (HK, CZ, whoever) are not making these
things for us. They're looking to get state and military contracts. As such, they need to be able to be a 100% parts provider.
Can't be waiting on magpul to ship 10,000 rifles to East Fuckovia or wherever.

Posted: 10/1/2018 5:37:50 PM EDT

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You know that does make sense. We need to remember that these guys (HK, CZ, whoever) are not making these
things for us. They're looking to get state and military contracts. As such, they need to be able to be a 100% parts provider.
Can't be waiting on magpul to ship 10,000 rifles to East Fuckovia or wherever.

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I am assuming this is the case. Just like HK makes their own mag. You can still use newer Pmags / Emags with it but they have their own design.

You know that does make sense. We need to remember that these guys (HK, CZ, whoever) are not making these
things for us. They're looking to get state and military contracts. As such, they need to be able to be a 100% parts provider.
Can't be waiting on magpul to ship 10,000 rifles to East Fuckovia or wherever.

Probably a money thing more than anything. Lets say they sell 10 mags per rifle with a profit margin of $3 a piece. Mags are frequently bought and supplied as well. It keeps the money flowing. I'm sure long term, the profit margin on mags sold will be close to that of the initial rifle sale. 100 mags over a few years with $3 profit margin per rifle = $300 per rifle.

In general, if the mag ends up being sub par I suppose special forces and whatnot will dump them and get Pmags. But at least upfront, CZ / HK / whoever gets some extra profit in their contract.

Posted: 10/2/2018 9:45:22 AM EDT

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I never realized how much I needed a .308.

Posted: 10/27/2018 11:42:16 AM EDT

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Got to look at this rifle in full form from the Czechs here on the compound along with their Benelli's.

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Posted: 11/19/2018 10:57:28 PM EDT

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Working on setting up S1 for a two stamp day someday soon. When dry fitting Sandman FH, it appears that there is not enough clearance to pull the piston. Am I doing it wrong?

Posted: 11/20/2018 1:25:52 AM EDT

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Is there a rumor mill going yet for the differences between the military version small batch we got and the commercial version we're getting next?

Posted: 11/20/2018 1:52:15 AM EDT

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Any worry about the front pivot being less robust?

Posted: 11/21/2018 7:52:47 PM EDT

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Working on setting up S1 for a two stamp day someday soon. When dry fitting Sandman FH, it appears that there is not enough clearance to pull the piston. Am I doing it wrong?

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No one running a Sandman?

Posted: 11/21/2018 8:27:31 PM EDT

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Working on setting up S1 for a two stamp day someday soon. When dry fitting Sandman FH, it appears that there is not enough clearance to pull the piston. Am I doing it wrong?

No one running a Sandman?

I plan on buying a Sandman next year. I'll probably buy the flash hider soon, just to get it out of the way.

Posted: 11/21/2018 10:33:17 PM EDT

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My stamps are both pending from Memorial Day. Hoping someone else has figured this out.

Posted: 11/22/2018 12:16:47 PM EDT

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@rustyboy

I am. I'm pretty sure you'll need to use the flashhider and not the brake. Time it so that one of the grooves is at 12 o'clock. It will touch the regulator when you take it out but should be just fine

Posted: 11/22/2018 6:52:40 PM EDT

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@rustyboy

I am. I'm pretty sure you'll need to use the flashhider and not the brake. Time it so that one of the grooves is at 12 o'clock. It will touch the regulator when you take it out but should be just fine

https://i.imgur.com/VHMyl3B.jpg
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Rock and roll. I appreciate the guidance.

Posted: 11/22/2018 8:44:26 PM EDT

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Any worry about the front pivot being less robust?

Not at the moment. It also feels like they changed the polymer type.

Posted: 12/7/2018 8:29:30 AM EDT

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Grabagun has the 805 S1 pistol on sale for $1189

Might be the start of the older Brens being discounted before the S2s make it back to shops?

Posted: 12/7/2018 9:16:11 AM EDT

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I picked up my pistol this time last year for 1179 at buds