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Posted: 3/25/2006 6:39:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 6:39:55 PM EDT by Paul]
from a rifle barrel's muzzle. (if you could see them and move fast enough, that is). The point is that they are almost completely out of power at that range. The military's minimum energy level for lethality is the penetration of a 1" pine board, and 60 ft lbs of energy. The .22 lr rifle bullet is down to that level at 150 yds. A .22lr bullet's blunt nose means that it loses power and velocity very quickly. It also drifts in the wind like a balloon.

At 300 yds, the .22lr has about 15 ft lbs of energy left, about like a bb "rifle", but with a larger- diameter, soft lead bullet. From a .22 pistol, figure on more like 200-250 yds, depending upon the length of the barrel. No, using Stingers doesn't change anything, either. Their higher initial velocity just means that they are fighting more air-resistance. So they slow down faster. Add to that their lower bullet wt, and the result is the same at such long range.

It's best to not kid yourself about how "effective" a .22 rifle will be for shtf combat-situations. Beyond about 50 yds, given a good autorifle, with a silencer and subsonic loads, pulling head shots, (from cover and ambush-conditions, at dusk, with a good escape route) the .22 rifle doesn't amount to much at all. Yes, it's still highly likely to be (eventually) lethal with a torso hit at 100 yds, but the "hittee" is likely to remain functional for many minutes, if not hours, and he can cover that 100 yds in 15 seconds or less, firing as he comes. He's not likely to be alone, either.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:53:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 4:53:52 PM EDT by die-tryin]
YOU FIRST!!!!


Oh yeah IBTL.. if some stupid ass kid reads this , they may actually try it.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:56:03 PM EDT
My use of a .22 in either rifle or pistol would be for game getting only in a SHTF situation. All other targets will be dealt with via .223 to .50BMG.

P.S. I'm not volunteering to catch any .22s at any distance
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:59:11 PM EDT
WTF? IBTL.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:00:29 PM EDT
IBTL
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:01:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 5:03:44 PM EDT by ARin]
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:02:23 PM EDT
[Red Foreman]DUMBASS![/Red Foreman]
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:03:09 PM EDT
Hmm....what if the 10/22 is mounted on an assault wheelbarrow?
What then?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:10:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 5:12:02 PM EDT by FourDeuce]

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Hmm....what if the 10/22 is mounted on an assault wheelbarrow?
What then?



Then you might as well surrender, because you're facing the Almighty and Invincible GunKid, and you are toast. Resistance is futile! Run Away! He's even worse than the Lord Humongous, Mabu Warrior-Warlord of Armageddon, and Alan Connor and his band of Amazon Grinjas.
We need the background music for Shaft on this thread.

BTW, that first post looks an awful lot like GunKid's own stuff. Has he been kicked off this board recently?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:12:43 PM EDT
At 400 yards, from the time you see the smoke to the time the projectile arrives, you have one second to dodge a .45-70 bullet. Theoretically, anyway.

I don't exactly see anyone lining up to try it.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:13:46 PM EDT
That's an unusual statement.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:21:58 PM EDT
.22 cal bullet
(Calculated using Ingalls' table)
Bullet Weight ......... 40 grains Bullet Caliber ........ 0.224
Sectional Density ..... 0.114 Coefficient of Form ... 0.791
Effective Bal. Coeff... 0.144 Bal. Coeff. at STP .... 0.144
Cross wind ............ 10.0 m.p.h. Altitude .............. 0 Ft.
Atmospheric pressure .. 30.00 in. Temperature ........... 60.0 F

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Mx. Ord. Defl. Drop Lead Time
yards f.p.s. ft-lb. lb.-sec. in. in. in. in/mph sec.
0 1000 88.8 0.1776 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.000
239 771 52.8 0.1370 32.8 18.8 120.3 14.5 0.824
478 611 33.1 0.1085 169.2 76.9 577.2 32.9 1.871
717 484 20.8 0.0860 493.9 183.3 1568.1 56.2 3.192
956 383 13.1 0.0681 1146.7 350.7 3402.4 85.5 4.860
1195 304 8.2 0.0540 2370.1 595.1 6563.6 122.6 6.966

Sure you could catch it, but you would have a hole in your hand.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:25:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 5:25:45 PM EDT by Jetlag]
Try the "code" tags:
Originally Posted By Tanam:
.22 cal bullet
(Calculated using Ingalls' table)
Bullet Weight ......... 40 grains Bullet Caliber ........ 0.224
Sectional Density ..... 0.114 Coefficient of Form ... 0.791
Effective Bal. Coeff... 0.144 Bal. Coeff. at STP .... 0.144
Cross wind ............ 10.0 m.p.h. Altitude .............. 0 Ft.
Atmospheric pressure .. 30.00 in. Temperature ........... 60.0 F

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Mx. Ord. Defl. Drop Lead Time
yards f.p.s. ft-lb. lb.-sec. in. in. in. in/mph sec.
0 1000 88.8 0.1776 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.000
239 771 52.8 0.1370 32.8 18.8 120.3 14.5 0.824
478 611 33.1 0.1085 169.2 76.9 577.2 32.9 1.871
717 484 20.8 0.0860 493.9 183.3 1568.1 56.2 3.192
956 383 13.1 0.0681 1146.7 350.7 3402.4 85.5 4.860
1195 304 8.2 0.0540 2370.1 595.1 6563.6 122.6 6.966

Sure you could catch it, but you would have a hole in your hand.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:27:33 PM EDT
I know for a fact Winchester Wildcats will poke nice holes in steel drum at 250YDS and they will also go through 1X2's (target stands) at 350YDS.


You first dude.

The 22LR is IMHO the most under rated killing round on the market.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:28:06 PM EDT
Thanks Jetlag
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:29:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:29:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jetlag:
Try the "code" tags:
Originally Posted By Tanam:
.22 cal bullet
(Calculated using Ingalls' table)
Bullet Weight ......... 40 grains Bullet Caliber ........ 0.224
Sectional Density ..... 0.114 Coefficient of Form ... 0.791
Effective Bal. Coeff... 0.144 Bal. Coeff. at STP .... 0.144
Cross wind ............ 10.0 m.p.h. Altitude .............. 0 Ft.
Atmospheric pressure .. 30.00 in. Temperature ........... 60.0 F

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Mx. Ord. Defl. Drop Lead Time
yards f.p.s. ft-lb. lb.-sec. in. in. in. in/mph sec.
0 1000 88.8 0.1776 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.000
239 771 52.8 0.1370 32.8 18.8 120.3 14.5 0.824
478 611 33.1 0.1085 169.2 76.9 577.2 32.9 1.871
717 484 20.8 0.0860 493.9 183.3 1568.1 56.2 3.192
956 383 13.1 0.0681 1146.7 350.7 3402.4 85.5 4.860
1195 304 8.2 0.0540 2370.1 595.1 6563.6 122.6 6.966

Sure you could catch it, but you would have a hole in your hand.



Dude, I have wanted to know how to do that for ever! There was something worth while in this thread after all.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:31:43 PM EDT
this is someone's troll account...
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:31:49 PM EDT
gun kid
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:32:09 PM EDT
Grasshopper...when you can pluck the .22 bullet from the air, you will be ready.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:33:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ThePatriot556:
Grasshopper...when you can pluck the .22 bullet from the air, you will be ready.



Ready?
Ready for what?
To post stupid shit on the internet?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:35:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:36:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PocketG:
That's an unusual statement.



Not too unusual if it's coming from GunKid. If it's not coming from GunKid, the original poster might want to avoid looking so much like him. That's a good way to end up being booted off message boards. It's done that for GunKid all over the internet. About the only message board he can get away with posting on these days is the one he owns, and he posts there under several different names.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:38:40 PM EDT
Please don't try that trick, unless you want a hole in your body/hand.




___________________________________



Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:42:52 PM EDT
Who is Gunkid and what's the story?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:44:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1979:
Who is Gunkid and what's the story?



He is a fucking poser piece of shit that hits all the gun boards, in the beginning ya think he may be normal than then you get off the way stupid posts like this one. Soon there will be arguements and so forth. Jus another loser that didnt get enuff attention.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:44:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1979:
Who is Gunkid and what's the story?




to long to explian,, just think waterhead on crack with a 22lr
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:50:06 PM EDT
I nominate this thread for "Most retarded post of the day".

Go try it, and report back.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:51:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
I nominate this thread for "Most retarded post of the day".

Go try it, and report back.



You havent seen the "how to hang a deer" thread yet. surprisingly its from the same author.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:52:56 PM EDT
Right. He's one of the biggest losers, posers, and wannabes on the internet. He's been kicked off of just about every gun, survival or homesteading message board he's ever managed to get on. He's starved for attention, and will do anything to get it, but it's never enough. He drags down any message board he manages to get on, and makes them all waste time dealing with him until they give him the boot. His crap about the Assault Wheelbarrow and his other crazy survival ideas are easily enough to reveal the fact that drugs have been an important part of his life. He's spent a large part of his wasted life in prison. Even though he claims to be a gun expert, he admits to having shot himself twice in accidental discharges. Some "expert", eh?
He still calls the cops idiots, even though they've managed to catch him three times, so what does that make him?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:54:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By protus:

Originally Posted By 1979:
Who is Gunkid and what's the story?




to long to explian,, just think waterhead on crack with a 22lr




It's been a while since i have heard someone say that term.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:55:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
I nominate this thread for "Most retarded post of the day".

Go try it, and report back.



You might want to hold off on that nomination. This guy can USUAL-ly come up with some whoppers, so he may be just warming up.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:57:36 PM EDT
they always forget to add..

"....ONLY if bump-fired underwater!"
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:07:54 PM EDT
I've been thinking about a Ruger 77-22 all weather in 22mag.
Cut the barrel to 16.25 and throw a nice 2-7 on it.

I've got the same set up in 22LR and it's one of my favorites...

Pete
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:07:54 PM EDT
I am just going to assume you are having a temporary "VAPOR LOCK OF THE CRANIAL CAVITY".

Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:11:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1_BIG_BUNKER:
I am just going to assume you are having a temporary "VAPOR LOCK OF THE CRANIAL CAVITY".




You're obviously not familiar with GunKid. His vapor lock is not temporary. It's very permanent. I've seen his garbage online for years, and I doubt anyone could pretend to be that stupid for that long. Nope. It's not an act, and it's not going to change.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:36:04 PM EDT
Definatly Gun Kid..... or his fudge packing cell mate at the very least.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:52:39 PM EDT
stupid thread
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:10:58 PM EDT
Reminds me of the Mad Max movie where the bad guy trys to catch the boomerang .


Let us know how it works out for you.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:21:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 7:23:29 PM EDT by dilligaff]

Originally Posted By protus:
gun kid



Yep, the penguin tracked it down the other nightin another post IIRC.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:43:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By unusual:
from a rifle barrel's muzzle. (if you could see them and move fast enough, that is). The point is that they are almost completely out of power at that range. The military's minimum energy level for lethality is the penetration of a 1" pine board, and 60 ft lbs of energy. The .22 lr rifle bullet is down to that level at 150 yds. A .22lr bullet's blunt nose means that it loses power and velocity very quickly. It also drifts in the wind like a balloon.

At 300 yds, the .22lr has about 15 ft lbs of energy left, about like a bb "rifle", but with a larger- diameter, soft lead bullet. From a .22 pistol, figure on more like 200-250 yds, depending upon the length of the barrel. No, using Stingers doesn't change anything, either. Their higher initial velocity just means that they are fighting more air-resistance. So they slow down faster. Add to that their lower bullet wt, and the result is the same at such long range.

It's best to not kid yourself about how "effective" a .22 rifle will be for shtf combat-situations. Beyond about 50 yds, given a good autorifle, with a silencer and subsonic loads, pulling head shots, (from cover and ambush-conditions, at dusk, with a good escape route) the .22 rifle doesn't amount to much at all. Yes, it's still highly likely to be (eventually) lethal with a torso hit at 100 yds, but the "hittee" is likely to remain functional for many minutes, if not hours, and he can cover that 100 yds in 15 seconds or less, firing as he comes. He's not likely to be alone, either.






____________________________________
The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you are already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function, without mercy, without compassion, without remorse.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:58:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 8:01:47 PM EDT by RyJones]
Modern Ballistics Data Created: 03/25/06 21:00:11
Range (yds): 50 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900
----
Drop (inches) 4.62 19.52 86.85 217.75 433.41 762.681245.391937.372918.294304.14
Height (moa) -1.68 -10.08 -32.18 -59.78 -93.80-135.88-188.26-254.03-337.43-444.35
Height (mils) -0.49 -2.93 -9.36 -17.39 -27.29 -39.52 -54.76 -73.90 -98.16-129.26
Windage (moa) 2.31 4.40 8.66 13.29 18.38 23.98 30.18 37.02 44.59 52.99
Windage (mils) 0.67 1.28 2.52 3.87 5.35 6.98 8.78 10.77 12.97 15.41
Time (S) 0.157 0.326 0.703 1.137 1.637 2.214 2.877 3.642 4.523 5.538
Velocity (ft/S) 918 855 742 644 559 486 421 366 318 276
Energy (ft-lbs) 75 65 49 37 28 21 16 12 9 7
PF 37 34 30 26 22 19 17 15 13 11
Group (inches) 0.67 1.84 6.15 13.67 25.13 41.47 63.98 94.47 135.63 191.61
Group (moa) 1.28 1.76 2.94 4.35 6.00 7.92 10.18 12.89 16.19 20.33
Group (mils) 0.37 0.51 0.85 1.27 1.75 2.30 2.96 3.75 4.71 5.91
Groups <= desired 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
1 grp of <= desired 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
-----
Constants:
Mid rng Ht (in) 0.0 Midrange (yds) 28.6 Zero (yds) 31.9
Near zero (yds) 25.2 P.B. Size (in) 0.04 P.B. Range (yds) 33
M.V. (ft/S) 1000 M.V. SDev (fps) 10.0 B.C. 0.144
Mass (grains) 40 Sight Ht (in) 1.50 Indicated SA (moa) 10.00
SA Offset (moa) 0.00 Barometer 29.53 Incline (deg) 0
Wind (mph) 10 Wind error (mph) 2 Wind (deg.) 90
Temp (F) 59 Alt. (feet) 0 Gravity 32.17
Shots per group 5 Bullet acc. (moa) 1.00 Desired Grp (moa) 1.00
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:02:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:47:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:57:49 PM EDT
At 300 yds, the .22lr has about 15 ft lbs of energy left, about like a bb "rifle", but with a larger- diameter, soft lead bullet.

Actually that's about like an overpumped Benjamin/Sheridan, but with a 40 grain bullet it would also have a hell of a lot more momentum. So if you think you could catch a pellet from one of those at point blank, be my guest. I've seen them kill plenty of rabbits and crows and even a couple of raccoons and I'm sure as hell not going to put my hand in front of one.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:20:55 PM EDT
Jeez, can we get a lock on this stupid thread?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:26:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By yekimak:
this is someone's troll account...




May be, but I learned somehting in this thread. I had no idea we had code tags.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:33:34 PM EDT
darwins thread
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:42:21 PM EDT
ibthmbawt

in before the hold my beer and watch this,

edited: i havnt read the whole thread so there may be a chance that someone has said this proir to this
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:47:53 PM EDT
Chuck Norris once caught a ....


Unusual, when has anybody said anything about using a .22lr for a SHTF combat situation? .22lr would be a food getter.

Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:54:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 10:00:32 PM EDT by Orygunman]

Originally Posted By 1979:
Who is Gunkid and what's the story?


Gunkid, you'll find plenty of boards talking about this guy. I encountered the idiot on another board, he is something else that's for sure. The Mods found out he had his own discussion forum, SilentStreakPress, he must have forgotten to pay his server because it has disappeared from the web. I don't know if the originator is Gunkid or not but from what I've read him post elsewhere Gunkid is a big fan of the .22lr with silencers, as a matter of fact that all he spoke of, IIRC.

ETA: If this guy is Gunkid it won't take long for him to show himself, it's inevitable he can't help himself from spouting off
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