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Posted: 2/20/2006 6:13:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 10:13:36 AM EDT by CHUCK6419]
My Best Friend wants a 16" .308 He wants a M1A Socom 2, but a guy at the range told us the gas system gave them problems... Is that true...

Would a 16"ar-10 or FN-fal variant be better?
He wants it to shoot close to 1 MOA
he wants to use it for home defense and deer-hunting out to 150-200max yards Most shots will be at or inside 100 yards.

Thanks Y'all

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:03:42 AM EDT
Of the six SOCOMs I know of personally, four have had problems.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:14:00 AM EDT
I have an ArmaLite AR-10A4 carbine and love it.

5sub
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:16:59 AM EDT
He also wants somethign that will shoot 1MOA accuracy... is that possible with an AR-10A4?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:20:10 AM EDT
obviously he only wants an auto right?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:20:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 7:22:14 AM EDT by 53vortec]

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
He also wants somethign that will shoot 1MOA accuracy... is that possible with an AR-10A4?



That's probably pushing it with a stock AR10 carbine. With a free floated match barrel it wouldn't be hard, though. The big question is what he wants to do with the gun? If he wants a match rifle, a longer barrel would be better, while if he wants a CQB carbine accuracy is not of the up-most importance.

EDIT: AR10 should be fine. Just saw the "home defense and hunting line". A two or even three MOA rifle should suffice for that!
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:33:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 7:35:24 AM EDT by CHUCK6419]

Originally Posted By ggllggll:
obviously he only wants an auto right?



Yes semi-auto... something that will do 1" or close at 100 yards, be good on deer out to 150-200 yards, and is a carbine. He will also use the gun for Home defense if given the chance.

I'm encouraging him to get a 6.8mm Rem spc Ar-15... But I don't think He is budging on the .30 caliber

-Chuck
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:38:31 AM EDT
What about a DPMS?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:51:53 AM EDT
SOCOM.

Max

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:52:21 AM EDT
does DPMS make a 16"
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:52:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By maxell27:
SOCOM.

Max




Max, have you had no problems out of yours?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:55:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
He also wants somethign that will shoot 1MOA accuracy... is that possible with an AR-10A4?



More importantly was/is it possible with the M1A SOCOM, his original choice?

Seems like the criteria is shifting.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:56:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 7:57:02 AM EDT by SHIVAN]

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:

Originally Posted By ggllggll:
obviously he only wants an auto right?



Yes semi-auto... something that will do 1" or close at 100 yards, be good on deer out to 150-200 yards, and is a carbine. He will also use the gun for Home defense if given the chance.

I'm encouraging him to get a 6.8mm Rem spc Ar-15... But I don't think He is budging on the .30 caliber

-Chuck



Inside this criteria, the Armalite AR-10A4 would perform just fine.

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:57:31 AM EDT
No problems as of yet. I just have 300 rounds through it.

Well the cost was a problem

Max
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:14:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
He also wants somethign that will shoot 1MOA accuracy... is that possible with an AR-10A4?



More importantly was/is it possible with the M1A SOCOM, his original choice?

Seems like the criteria is shifting.



I thought it would be close with good optics and match ammo... If i am wrong about that please tell me!


Originally Posted By maxell27:
No problems as of yet. I just have 300 rounds through it.

Well the cost was a problem

Max




What kind of accuracy do you get at 100 yards?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:17:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
I thought it would be close with good optics and match ammo... If i am wrong about that please tell me!



Match ammo will get you close, from what I have seen or the SOCOM and Scout.

In my experience it will get you close in a standard AR10A4 as well, and the AR-10 is easier, BY A LONG SHOT, to scope.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:27:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Match ammo will get you close, from what I have seen or the SOCOM and Scout.

In my experience it will get you close in a standard AR10A4 as well, and the AR-10 is easier, BY A LONG SHOT, to scope.



Agreed... The criteria isn't really changing... I think he just wants to have his cake and eat it too.
I am telling him to get a real assault rifle for CQB, and a real hunting rifle for hunting.

His dad ignorantly got him a Remington 710 .30-06 for Christmas. This isn't what he wants at all, but it will suffice for a decent gun. THe action is not smooth.

He decided on the m14 SOCOM for it's coolness, portability, point-ability, accuracy and reliablity.
Apparently from what I've read the reliability isn't as good as the full-length guns. Which is what I am encouraging him to get. but He is dead-set on a 16".
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:30:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
does DPMS make a 16"



Here's mine. They also come with collapsible stocks and buis.

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:44:02 AM EDT
Yeah the more I look at it, a DMPS is the right gun for the job HE wants...
How does yours shoot Eli75?

Somebody tell me why you'd choose the armalite over the DPMS?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:55:05 AM EDT
It shoots great. It was really finicky when I first got it, it would only fire factory ammo. Now that it's broken in, it shoots surplus just fine.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:00:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
Somebody tell me why you'd choose the armalite over the DPMS?



Lifetime Warranty.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:31:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 10:14:52 AM EDT by CHUCK6419]

Originally Posted By Eli75:
It shoots great. It was really finicky when I first got it, it would only fire factory ammo. Now that it's broken in, it shoots surplus just fine.



what kind of groups do you get at 100 yards?


Also I Want to know why people are voting for the DSA FN-FAL
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 11:05:24 AM EDT
I'll let you know whenever I get a chance to shoot 100 yards.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 11:07:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 11:08:16 AM EDT by twonami]
My 2 SOCOMs were lemons. I say Armalite. I did see a 16" Bushy in the CDNN catalog but they are pricey. My 20" never had any problems.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 11:33:31 AM EDT
Why not just get the SCOUT instead of the SOCOM.


The barrel is a little longer, but not by much, cheaper, and reliable!
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 12:12:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Happyface:
Why not just get the SCOUT instead of the SOCOM.


The barrel is a little longer, but not by much, cheaper, and reliable!



I think he wanted the tactical rails and stuff! but maybe he'll consider it
-Chuck
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 11:03:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:

Somebody tell me why you'd choose the armalite over the DPMS?





Lifetime warranty and more accessories are available for the Armalite too!
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 1:04:34 PM EDT
The newer Springfield M1A's are total garbage.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 1:28:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accord:
The newer Springfield M1A's are total garbage.




Bullshit.

Mine has served me well for over 3K rounds.
3 friends of mine haven't had a single problem, with even higher round counts.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 1:52:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Happyface:

Originally Posted By Accord:
The newer Springfield M1A's are total garbage.




Bullshit.

Mine has served me well for over 3K rounds.
3 friends of mine haven't had a single problem, with even higher round counts.



+1 on the BS call. I've just opened my 5th can of .308, that makes over 2k rounds so far and once broken in, My M1A has been near flawless. It's more accurate than my eyesight and has yet to not feed from a mag, be it OEM, surplus or the NIB from Ammoman.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:29:13 PM EDT
I am very happy with DSA FAL 16". Feels great, more compact than a M1A Scout and a DPMS AP4 .308 ( lay all three side by side...DSA is shorter)

Makes a great deer hunting rifle. My Father shot a 8 point and a really nice 9 point buck last year with a DSA 16" with 3X9 Trjicon scope.


Other than that, a HK type rifle is great too.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:44:04 PM EDT
HK51 is where it is at
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:35:59 PM EDT
Wait for RRA AR10-coming later this year IIRC.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:52:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 6:19:43 AM EDT
Wait for the ARM H or get a FAL.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:37:11 AM EDT
I like the Socoms.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 11:19:31 AM EDT


14.5" w/ perm styer FH. less than 8lbs too.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:13:06 PM EDT
FAL
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:25:49 PM EDT

You guys have 16" FALs that shoot 1" groups?
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:52:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 12:52:51 PM EDT by SHIVAN]

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
You guys have 16" FALs that shoot 1" groups?



At 200yds even....
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:57:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ktrout01:

Originally Posted By Mr_Happyface:

Originally Posted By Accord:
The newer Springfield M1A's are total garbage.




Bullshit.

Mine has served me well for over 3K rounds.
3 friends of mine haven't had a single problem, with even higher round counts.



+1 on the BS call. I've just opened my 5th can of .308, that makes over 2k rounds so far and once broken in, My M1A has been near flawless. It's more accurate than my eyesight and has yet to not feed from a mag, be it OEM, surplus or the NIB from Ammoman.


ditto i have a socom II in a sage EBR stock and not a problem with it yet there is also alredy someone making a flash suppresor for the socoms that is sposued to work
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:46:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:49:01 PM EDT by CHUCK6419]
Thanks for all the imput guys...

I think He's decided to go with the 18" DPMS Heavy Barrel...
He decided to get an AR-15 or Other smaller assault rifle for home defense...
Appreciate y'all's imput!

So DSA's really group 1" at 200 yards? that's incredible!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:51:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:52:29 PM EDT by Boomholzer]
Personally, I think he'd made the best choice with the 18" DPMS bull. Bonus extra velocity too.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:16:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 8:22:25 PM EDT by Achilles1]

Originally Posted By Accord:
The newer Springfield M1A's are total garbage.



I may be new here, but that is some serious bullshit.
I've seen too many running great and enjoyed shooting the Socoms I got the chance to, plus having a 22inch barreled M1A myself that is running mostly SA parts, that's definite BS. Every company regardless of the products being made can make a bad one now and again. Thinking that there all bad till the end of time is a little negative I'd say, completely opinionated and biased to the extreme, but I'm sure I'll read it again, as someone says it about every weapon out there eventually if they end up having a problem one, but these days even if they just read someone else saying it. After all, this is just the internet.

Having one of these in an 18 inch barrel, he might take a look at one too, but it's his choice in the end and I'm sure he'll be happy with it.http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=205
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:40:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 8:40:21 PM EDT by cnatra]

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By CHUCK6419:
Somebody tell me why you'd choose the armalite over the DPMS?



Lifetime Warranty.




and you'll need it
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:40:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dennysguns:
Here is my 16" DPMS .308. We cheated a bit and fluted the barrel. This rifle averages .75 MOA with Fed 175 match and has been 100% reliable.

globaltactical.com/_img.upload/DPMS%20308%20CARBINE%20W%20SWS%20RAIL%20WEB.jpg

Denny



NICE!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:42:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 8:43:56 PM EDT by cnatra]
he should wait & get one of the newer .308 AR variants with a gas piston design

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