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Posted: 2/5/2006 1:16:18 PM EDT
I'm interested in owning a .22 rifle. I have been searching for a while and narrowed it down to two. I can't decide between the Ruger 10/22 and Ciener .22lr conversion kit. I own 2 ARs that I could use the conversion with. I have shot 10/22s before, but never tried .22lr AR conversions. I like them both because they have hicap mags available. The only thing I don't like about the 10/22 is the magazine reliability. I've read that Tactical Innovations makes reliable mags for the 10/22, but they are expensive. My plans a 10/22 is to get the Krinker Plinker Kit and to get a dedicated AR .22lr upper with a Ciener conversion kit.

My question is: Which system (including magazines) is more reliable?

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 3:31:52 PM EDT
I would get a 10/22 with Tactical Innovations magazines.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 4:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 4:31:53 PM EDT by Young-Kiwi]
I'd get the 10/22

If you want a cheap way to practise with the AR15, get a conversion.
If you want it a .22 for practical reasons, hunting etc. get the 10/22

The only time I have had problems with 10/22 mags, is higher capapcity aftermarket.
Really Depends on what you want it for.....

I've always left my 10/22 pretty much as it came, always worked well and never given me problems.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 4:33:59 PM EDT
Standard AR15.com response....

GET BOTH
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 4:42:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 4:42:43 PM EDT by Young-Kiwi]

Originally Posted By helogene:
Standard AR15.com response....

GET BOTH



Ok, I have to admit, i did.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 6:58:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 6:59:23 PM EDT by Shawnr1]

Originally Posted By Young-Kiwi:

Originally Posted By helogene:
Standard AR15.com response....

GET BOTH



Ok, I have to admit, i did.



Young-Kiwi , Which one do you trust the most? have ever had any problems with your conversion?
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:35:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 1:38:50 AM EDT by Young-Kiwi]

Originally Posted By Shawnr1:

Originally Posted By Young-Kiwi:

Originally Posted By helogene:
Standard AR15.com response....

GET BOTH



Ok, I have to admit, i did.



Young-Kiwi , Which one do you trust the most? have ever had any problems with your conversion?



I trust the 10/22 More...

The Conversion is very Ammo sensitive, have to buy fast 22 to make sure it works all the time.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:55:07 AM EDT
I think you'de have a lot better potential for accuracy in the 10/22. The kit for the AR is not known for its accuracy due to the barrel of the AR being the wrong twist (and I think diameter) for the weight of the l.r. bullet.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:10:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:22:18 PM EDT
I have two dedicated 22 uppers (both Kuehl), one spends most of the time on a Colt M16A1 & the other on a Colt AR-15. Most of the time, with an SRT Comanche suppressor. They are near 100% with CCI subsonics & anything hotter right out of the box. Lower velocity subsonics don't reliably eject. These uppers are about chipmunk accurate at 50 yards. That being said, I have 3 10/22s, one a full auto Norrell. The Norrell has an integrally suppressed barrel designed to slow supersonic rounds to subsonic. This only works well with high velocity ammo. 100% with CCI minimags. The other 10/22s have Green Mountain barrrels. Accurate, but with the Bentz chambers are very mag sensitive. So far, I've only gotten the stock Ruger mags to work well. The stock 10/22 barrels are generally not very accurate & the chipmunks love them. Although some folks claim exceptions, I wasn't satisified at all with the stock barrels.
If I could have only one, it would be an AR-15/M16 with a Kuehl upper. Plenty accurate, high fun factor and evil looking. Also, easy to slap on a 5.56 upper if you want to be loud or take on something larger than chipmunks.

ps - I have nothing against chipmunks unless thay are tearing things up around the yard.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 5:54:44 PM EDT
Thanks to all for the great replies. I have decided to go with the 10/22...first
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 11:56:41 AM EDT
Ruger 10/22
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 7:03:45 PM EDT
Ruger 10/22 is a wise choice.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 7:21:19 PM EDT
My Ciener kit was way more reliable than my 10/22 ever was. Not to mention lots more fun.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 7:39:40 PM EDT
I'd go with 10/22, but did you consider the Rhineland arms .22? I've heard good things about their rifles.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 4:21:25 AM EDT
I don't know which I'd get if I could only get one. I want to bet both when I have the money. A 10/22 because it's such a cool little plinker and fun gun, and a .22 upper so that I can practice weapon drills cheaply, and still be using the same platform.
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