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Posted: 8/27/2005 4:22:23 PM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
What do you want me to do?

Just re-do the Korea thing and let me take some pictures.

Posted: 8/27/2005 5:48:11 PM EDT

[#2]

Nice pic, Spooge5150!

OK, I've worked myself up into a tizzy and now must have an M-1 Carbine!

So, where do I buy one?

I don't particularly want a GI one. A new production will do. Who makes a good repro?

Posted: 8/27/2005 7:10:54 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Nice pic, Spooge5150!

OK, I've worked myself up into a tizzy and now must have an M-1 Carbine!

So, where do I buy one?

I don't particularly want a GI one. A new production will do. Who makes a good repro?

Auto Ordnance makes one
www.tommygun.com/ao_aom110_f.html

Posted: 8/27/2005 7:46:38 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Nice pic, Spooge5150!

OK, I've worked myself up into a tizzy and now must have an M-1 Carbine!

So, where do I buy one?

I don't particularly want a GI one. A new production will do. Who makes a good repro?

Yes you sorta DO want a GI one as many of the repros are pretty lousy. Stay away from Universal. My local shop had one and even warned me to not even bother looking at it. A GI one will run a long time as no corrosive ammo was ever used in .30 carbine. I finally got one a bit back and it is a fun gun to run. I have heard good and bad about Auto Ord but some people really like them, and you can get nicer wood with them as long as you drop a bit more cash. They are a light and handy weapon tho I am still looking for softpoints for it. You can get new S&B hardball for about 8 and change from AIM surplus. [per 50]Going to try my hand at reloading some also.

Posted: 8/27/2005 8:01:53 PM EDT

[#5]

Painless, if you get me one of those Chinese quilted jackets I might try it, but it's got to be in my size. I don't think they make Chinese that size. Or do you want me tocatch the bullets in my teeth?

Posted: 8/27/2005 8:59:13 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Nice pic, Spooge5150!

OK, I've worked myself up into a tizzy and now must have an M-1 Carbine!

So, where do I buy one?

I don't particularly want a GI one. A new production will do. Who makes a good repro?

Auto Ordnance makes one
www.tommygun.com/ao_aom110_f.html

Honestly, I'd steer clear of those and pick up a USGI one, even a re-import...it may cost more up-front but on the back end it'll be a lot cheaper to get running right, etc.

Posted: 8/27/2005 10:48:52 PM EDT

[#7]

Perhaps I could add a few GI parts to make a civvy run better, like they do with M-14s?

Posted: 8/27/2005 11:12:44 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I was shot with an M 1 Carbine while serving in Korea, it was winter really, really cold. I mean really, Iwas wearing longjohns, OG wool shirt and pants, Field jacket with liner, field pants with liner,parka with liner ,pile cap, trigger finger mittens, and Mickey Mouse boots. Did I mention it was cold? Anyway that puny carbine bullet hit me in the right forearm, went through all that clothing, through my skin, meat, armbone,and out the other side. Leaving a neat little hole on the back of my sleeves. So in my opinion clothing won't stop that round.

Would you consider working with me on a Box O' Truth production?

Originally Posted By bearcat6
What do you want me to do?

Posted: 8/28/2005 4:52:09 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I was shot with an M 1 Carbine while serving in Korea, it was winter really, really cold. I mean really, Iwas wearing longjohns, OG wool shirt and pants, Field jacket with liner, field pants with liner,parka with liner ,pile cap, trigger finger mittens, and Mickey Mouse boots. Did I mention it was cold? Anyway that puny carbine bullet hit me in the right forearm, went through all that clothing, through my skin, meat, armbone,and out the other side. Leaving a neat little hole on the back of my sleeves. So in my opinion clothing won't stop that round.

You must have looked like the little brother in Christmas Story with all that gear on.

Posted: 8/28/2005 6:05:53 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Perhaps I could add a few GI parts to make a civvy run better, like they do with M-14s?

Depends on the civilian made model.
The Universal made "M1" doesn't interchange parts wise on a # of stuff. Even the stocks are slightly different. The general consensus is "stay away" for them.
The older Plainfield & Iver Johnson made ones are OK IIRC, just not USGI.

Posted: 8/28/2005 7:17:49 AM EDT

[#11]

I had a universal copy and it was a fine gun for the money (I got mine in the mid $200 range including a partial trade), never had a problem with it. I shot it plenty. Only sold it for some emergency cash. I don't know anyone who has owned one ( I can think of four guys off the top of my head) that has had problems with theirs. I know a lot of guys that have never owned or even shot one that seem to dislike them, but those types of opinions don't really mean much to me. If you're thinking about buying one just give it a good inspection, the receiver is easy to take out of the stock. Sure, it's not a USGI but it's not $500-$600 either. The only money I ever spent on mine (besides ammo) was for some walnut stain for the stock.YMMV

Posted: 8/28/2005 8:32:25 AM EDT

[#12]

"""non"""corrosive .30 C.....

Be careful about assuming that ALL that stuff is NC.....not so....foreign ammo should be regarded as suspect....in particular the French stuff....Almost lost a mint 1944 M1A1 to French "VE" headstamped ammo years back....Shot good, but a real borerotter!.......U.S is ok provided you KNOW its U.S.

Posted: 8/28/2005 9:52:15 AM EDT

[#13]

I've got one that is built with GI parts. My reciever is marked "EFM" and is a 3 digit serial number. It operates great, has the early push saftey and didn't have the bayonet barrel band. Bought the gun just before I enlisted in the Army in 83'. My dad carried one in VietNam when in the USAF. He keep my carbine has his house gun till he past away. Now it still serves my mother in the same role.

Gun has run flawlessly with commerical ball and soft points. Have reloaded for it over the years with FMJ for range use, Speer 100 gr 1/2 JSP, 110 gr JHP and found some .224 FMJ sabots for it also. (loaded the same sabots in 7.62x54, .308 and .30-06, the 06 had them screaming at 4000 fps) Never seemed to chronograph those .224s out of the carbine. Favorite powder was H110 which if I remember correctly that's what the powder was designed for. I wouldn't feel under gunned if that was all I had. Remember its the shooter that aims and pulls the trigger. Follow up shots or double taps are extremely fast to make with this combination. UltiMAK makes a rail system for the carbine that replaces the upper handguard. I might get one and throw on a Aimpoint/EOTech. How's that for upgrading the old warhorse.

The M1 series was not the first Assualt Rifle that falls back to the Germans with the development of the Mk42/MP43-44. The carbine was a designed as a defensive replacement for the pistol not as a offensive weapon. As a side note haven't seen any M1 series carbine here in Iraq.

CD

Posted: 8/28/2005 12:32:50 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
"""non"""corrosive .30 C.....

Be careful about assuming that ALL that stuff is NC.....not so....foreign ammo should be regarded as suspect....in particular the French stuff....Almost lost a mint 1944 M1A1 to French "VE" headstamped ammo years back....Shot good, but a real borerotter!.......U.S is ok provided you KNOW its U.S.

IIRC there was some ChiCom made .30 carbine ammo that was corrosive. Even had Lake City headstamps on it.

Posted: 8/28/2005 4:47:55 PM EDT

[#15]

OK, so there's the Auto Ordnance copies that seem to have a good rep...

What about the Fulton Armory clones? There is one listed on their website, but when you click the link it doen't work.

Posted: 8/28/2005 5:28:30 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
OK, so there's the Auto Ordnance copies that seem to have a good rep...

What about the Fulton Armory clones? There is one listed on their website, but when you click the link it doen't work.

Those are supposed to be the cats ass - hand built with all USGI parts etc. However, at nearly a grand each, they're spendy little buggers.

Posted: 8/28/2005 6:34:42 PM EDT

[#17]

For a few years my only viable "tactical" rifle was a Winchester Korean era arsenal rework .30M1. I had plenty of other military and <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=hunting%20rifles" onmouseover="window.status='hunting rifles'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">hunting rifles</a>, but that was my only centerfire autoloader. It's still my go-to gun in my apartment. It looks nice (read: less menacing, possibly CUTE looking) to the sheeple populace, VERY politically correct in the eyes of the public as much as it can be for being a fire-arm. I use my 15 round mags full of my handloads. I won't post load data in a forum for obvious reasons, but I do believe that a 110 grain jacketed hollowpoint traveling @ 1950 f.p.s. is going to stop anyone. IF NOT, then I have 14 more where that came from. You wouldn't catch me using ball ammo though unless it was all I could get. Now I have to go dig her out and oil her, thanks for reminding me!

E.T.A. WOHOO! 1000!

Posted: 8/28/2005 8:26:02 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I was shot with an M 1 Carbine while serving in Korea, it was winter really, really cold. I mean really, Iwas wearing longjohns, OG wool shirt and pants, Field jacket with liner, field pants with liner,parka with liner ,pile cap, trigger finger mittens, and Mickey Mouse boots. Did I mention it was cold? Anyway that puny carbine bullet hit me in the right forearm, went through all that clothing, through my skin, meat, armbone,and out the other side. Leaving a neat little hole on the back of my sleeves. So in my opinion clothing won't stop that round.

You must have looked like the little brother in Christmas Story with all that gear on.

Yeah, you kind of waddled when you walked. But when you had to get up and go on guard at 2 in the morning, and it's 20 or 30 below, with the wind whipping down from Manchuria and Siberia, you tried everything you had.

Posted: 8/28/2005 11:16:57 PM EDT

[#19]

M1 Carbine in the 1950's version of the P90.

It was light, small and cheap to make. You out fitted anyone who filled a support roll with it. Was it better then a rifle? Hell no, was it better then a pistol? Hell yes.

Posted: 8/29/2005 11:23:10 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
My Grandpa fought in WW2 and said that during a fight, if the Germans heard a Carbine going off, they wouldn't even duck.

The same wasn't true about the M1 or '03.

I'm not a fan of the M1 Carbine, personally. I've fired a box of commercial Wichester stuff (110gr FMJ's) and was less than impressed. I found a box of surplus ammo at a gunshow that I ran through my dad's Carbine that had a considerable thump to them (compared to the Winchesters) but I still think it would be a weak round on the 2 way range. I know my Grandpa sure had a distaste for them and he came out of the war with a Bronze Star and a Silver Star, so I hold his word a little higher than what I read on the internet

WIZZO

Audie Murphy had more medals than your grandpa and he LOVED the M1 Carbine.
That would be their opinion........form your own.

Posted: 8/30/2005 2:16:46 AM EDT

[#21]

You guys are killing me. I need one now. Heck, I'm actually more interested in the round than the gun. Why hasn't anyone made a .30 carbine conversion kit for AR's. That would be a kick in the pants.

Kevin

Posted: 8/30/2005 6:04:54 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
You guys are killing me. I need one now. Heck, I'm actually more interested in the round than the gun. Why hasn't anyone made a .30 carbine conversion kit for AR's. That would be a kick in the pants.

Kevin

Check out Olympic Arms.

Posted: 8/30/2005 7:05:51 AM EDT

[#23]

the germans really liked the M1 carbines and would pick one up when they could.....they even came up with a supply nomenclature for it. It was also the main firearm of the newly reconstituted (west) german army after WW2, until the G1(FN FAL) came along in the 50's
I have also noted M1 carbines in the hands of british commandos at monte casino, and Brit paras in operation market garden. The M1 was the hands down favorite of the french resistance movement...they wanted them above most all others we airdropped to them (stens/thompsons/Lee Enfields/1911's/webleys/and even a few garands. They thought that the M1 carbine was perfect for guerilla warfare and tactics...light, easy to use, will outrange a opponant with a MP40 smg, decent in house to house fighting etc. and somewhat easy to hide.

My 1943 Underwood "Singer B stamp" ex Isreali police carbine

Posted: 8/30/2005 7:21:27 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys are killing me. I need one now. Heck, I'm actually more interested in the round than the gun. Why hasn't anyone made a .30 carbine conversion kit for AR's. That would be a kick in the pants.

Kevin

Check out Olympic Arms.

Yep, they make a .30 carbine AR that uses M1 mags

It was featured in SWAT magazine some time back.

Posted: 8/31/2005 8:33:54 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
the germans really liked the M1 carbines and would pick one up when they could.....they even came up with a supply nomenclature for it. It was also the main firearm of the newly reconstituted (west) german army after WW2, until the G1(FN FAL) came along in the 50's
I have also noted M1 carbines in the hands of british commandos at monte casino, and Brit paras in operation market garden. The M1 was the hands down favorite of the french resistance movement...they wanted them above most all others we airdropped to them (stens/thompsons/Lee Enfields/1911's/webleys/and even a few garands. They thought that the M1 carbine was perfect for guerilla warfare and tactics...light, easy to use, will outrange a opponant with a MP40 smg, decent in house to house fighting etc. and somewhat easy to hide.

My 1943 Underwood "Singer B stamp" ex Isreali police carbine
img171.imageshack.us/img171/7427/0425050314ad.jpg

pillbox, since becoming interested in the Carbine, I have been scouring all my old WW2 books for pics and references to their combat use. I have only found a couple pics showing use by Brits: by the Paracute Regiment at Arnhem and in the Agean by the SAS. I would like to know where you saw the pics, or any more info you have on British use. I have read that their use by the Brits in the Pacific became common enough that whole unit's officers and NCOs were issued tham, but not so much in the ETO. Since single carbines were used by some SAS and Paras, who knew what kind of weapon was needed in a life-or-death fight, its interesting that some chose the carbine.

Post-WW2 the carbine was issued in quite large numbers by the British Army fighting in Malaysia and the French army in Algeria. In the books I have read on those conflicts (individual soldier's memoirs not heresay by professional writers) there were no complaints of any kind about the carbine, none at all.

Posted: 8/31/2005 9:11:07 PM EDT

[#26]

I believe the auto ordanice M1s are made on IMI machines that are US tools.

Posted: 9/1/2005 4:08:51 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
I've got one that is built with GI parts. My reciever is marked "EFM" and is a 3 digit serial number. It operates great, has the early push saftey and didn't have the bayonet barrel band. Bought the gun just before I enlisted in the Army in 83'. My dad carried one in VietNam when in the USAF. He keep my carbine has his house gun till he past away. Now it still serves my mother in the same role.

Gun has run flawlessly with commerical ball and soft points. Have reloaded for it over the years with FMJ for range use, Speer 100 gr 1/2 JSP, 110 gr JHP and found some .224 FMJ sabots for it also. (loaded the same sabots in 7.62x54, .308 and .30-06, the 06 had them screaming at 4000 fps) Never seemed to chronograph those .224s out of the carbine. Favorite powder was H110 which if I remember correctly that's what the powder was designed for. I wouldn't feel under gunned if that was all I had. Remember its the shooter that aims and pulls the trigger. Follow up shots or double taps are extremely fast to make with this combination. UltiMAK makes a rail system for the carbine that replaces the upper handguard. I might get one and throw on a Aimpoint/EOTech. How's that for upgrading the old warhorse.

The M1 series was not the first Assualt Rifle that falls back to the Germans with the development of the Mk42/MP43-44. The carbine was a designed as a defensive replacement for the pistol not as a offensive weapon. As a side note haven't seen any M1 series carbine here in Iraq.

CD

4000 FPS!!!

Posted: 9/1/2005 11:55:58 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Quoted:
the germans really liked the M1 carbines and would pick one up when they could.....they even came up with a supply nomenclature for it. It was also the main firearm of the newly reconstituted (west) german army after WW2, until the G1(FN FAL) came along in the 50's
I have also noted M1 carbines in the hands of british commandos at monte casino, and Brit paras in operation market garden. The M1 was the hands down favorite of the french resistance movement...they wanted them above most all others we airdropped to them (stens/thompsons/Lee Enfields/1911's/webleys/and even a few garands. They thought that the M1 carbine was perfect for guerilla warfare and tactics...light, easy to use, will outrange a opponant with a MP40 smg, decent in house to house fighting etc. and somewhat easy to hide.

My 1943 Underwood "Singer B stamp" ex Isreali police carbine
img171.imageshack.us/img171/7427/0425050314ad.jpg

pillbox, since becoming interested in the Carbine, I have been scouring all my old WW2 books for pics and references to their combat use. I have only found a couple pics showing use by Brits: by the Paracute Regiment at Arnhem and in the Agean by the SAS. I would like to know where you saw the pics, or any more info you have on British use. I have read that their use by the Brits in the Pacific became common enough that whole unit's officers and NCOs were issued tham, but not so much in the ETO. Since single carbines were used by some SAS and Paras, who knew what kind of weapon was needed in a life-or-death fight, its interesting that some chose the carbine.

Post-WW2 the carbine was issued in quite large numbers by the British Army fighting in Malaysia and the French army in Algeria. In the books I have read on those conflicts (individual soldier's memoirs not heresay by professional writers) there were no complaints of any kind about the carbine, none at all.

I cant find which book that has the arnhem brit para with the carbine(at the moment)...but a reference to this is found in the collector grade publication "War Baby II" by Larry Ruth, on pg 521
"Between March 11, 1944 and Sept 30, 1945 the british were shipped at total of 25,363
carbines through the lend lease program: 22,506 M1's/2,104 M1A1 folding stock/753
M2 selective fire carbines. Some of these were reportededly used by the paratroopers
in the battle of Arnhem, and again in Athens Greece in december of 1944"

The French resistance use is out lined in the book "Clandestine Operations, The Arms And Techniques of the Resistance 1941-1945" by Pierre Lorain (english Ed published 1983)

And the Monte Casino British carbine spotting was film footage seen in the last week on "Battlefront" on the military channel

Posted: 9/1/2005 8:17:43 PM EDT

[#29]

In Osprey Elite #1, British Airborne Forces 1940-1984, there is a pic of a para shooting an M-1 carbine at their divisional CP shortly befor it was over run by the Germans. How that pic got out I don't know...

Posted: 9/1/2005 9:47:17 PM EDT

[#30]

thats were I seen that pic...I have that book

another book that has a great breakdown of the carbines use in pacific theator combat is

"Shots fired in Anger" by Lt. Col John George ...... its well worth obtaining.

Posted: 9/30/2005 9:31:12 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
Well, I'm going to make your day

Remington 110 gr JSP (R30CAR): vel=1864 f/s, pen=16.5”, rd=0.54”, rw=95.9gr.

Remington

Topic: .30 Carbine for Patrol Rifle

Big +1

Better performance through auto glass than 5.56mm too

Posted: 9/30/2005 9:35:35 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Seems like I saw some soft point made in .30 Carbine, somewhere? I would think that would solve the feeding & performance concerns versus the FMJ & JHP?

All things aside, a M4 in .223 wouldn't weigh much over a carbine nor be any bigger with a collasped stock, IMO. Given that option, I see no reason to use the Carbine for defense use.

My .o2

If I own a Carbien with a 19" barrel I can carry it for hunting or in my truck or whatever, all AR15 variants can only be shot at a licenced range up here.....

that si why i love Carbines with newer barrels

Posted: 10/5/2005 6:37:41 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Or, an M-1 Carbine chambered in 5.7...

Already been done in several wildcat redesigns. Equivelant to a COlt M4 roughly....

Posted: 10/5/2005 9:15:55 AM EDT

[#34]

when i was in israel back in 98 the escorts for our group carried m1 carbines. well they may have been m2 but the point is still the same. a lof of the other group escort folks carried the same thing.

as to bearcat6's sentiment about wearing anything to keep warm--i used to work with a retired marine who was a veteran of the chosin campaign and he had the same sentiments. he used to say he could barely reload his rifle with all the clothes he had on but he didn't care as long as he didn't lose any fingers or toes to the cold.

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