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Posted: 5/18/2003 2:55:05 PM EDT
Ok
So I have a Glock 19 in about 95+% condition. After shooting my Springfield "loaded", I've come to realize that "Tupperware" is just not for me (Don't get me wrong, I intend NO flames. I know Glocks are good guns, but for a range/safe queen, I'd rather have steel). I'll probably want to stick to 9mm (it's not for CCW) for purposes of cheap practice (except in the case of the revolvers). Anyway.....
I've narrowed it down to these.....

Browning Hi-Power....I love single action triggers. It's a classic design and inexpensive, good Hi-caps are readily available.

CZ 75....reliable, sturdy, accurate (as is the Hi-Power) and it too is "cock-and-lock-able" and has a good supply of hi-caps and accessories too

SW 686.....don't have a .357

Ruger GP100.....Had one, loved it. Like a dumbass, I traded it about 6 years ago.

So what would you pick and why? Help me out here Fellers!!!!

Later,
Rich
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 3:08:11 PM EDT
I'll vote for the classic HiPower.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 3:32:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 3:32:41 PM EDT
S&W 686 in stainless. That was my first handgun way back when I was a young lad.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 4:12:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2003 4:15:41 PM EDT by QCMGR]
CZ40.

Link Posted: 5/18/2003 5:55:17 PM EDT
I second the CZ40,I have one and I love it.I have a 1911 45 and I dont even shoot it anymore since I bought the 40.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 7:29:24 PM EDT
Ruger GP100
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 7:47:00 PM EDT
CZ75B hands down. You can also get the 22 convertion kit for even less expensive pratice.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 8:05:14 PM EDT
How about Springfield Armory 1911-A1 in 9mm model #P19134L Stainless Steel, Fully Adjustable Sights.
Link Posted: 5/18/2003 11:40:48 PM EDT
If you're gonna carry it then the High Power is the way to go. I use mine for IDPA matches.

If it's gonna be the house/car gun then the S&W 686 **may** be the choice over the HP. The S&W will beat the Ruger hands down on trigger & accuracy.

All of the above is NOT opinion, it is gospel.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 9:59:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2003 10:20:06 AM EDT by Trumpet]
Thanks for all the input so far.

While I like the CZ's "modern-ness" of styling, I would almost never take advantage of the wonderful double action trigger it has (yes, I said wonderful double action. Contradiction of terms, I know I know....once again it's all relative.) I'd always be cocking the hammer before the first shot anyway, so I guess there's no reason (other than the price) to go for it over the HP. Every HP I've seen/handled did pretty derned' good in the accuracy dept.

Now for the revolvers.....
Like I said earlier I HAD a GP100 (4" stainless) and loved it. I never should've sold it. Hindsight's a bitch ain't it? Anyway, without starting a Chevy vs Ford type of debate, which revolver do you guys prefer and importantly WHY? Also, does the S&W or Ruger have any sort of "key" safety (you know, to keep the lawers happy?). I just find all these "keylocking" things deplorable (ie. Kimber's Series II etc.) and could actually be the deciding factor.

Thanks a ton,
Rich
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:43:22 AM EDT
I'll put in my vote for the Browning Hi-Power for the auto...

as far as the revolvers go , I like both...do not really have a preference , but if you know you like the Ruger , why not go with that ?
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:54:49 AM EDT
Hi Trumpet

My first wheel gun was a Ruger too. Then I tried a friends S&W 686. Sold my Ruger - no regrets. Then I bought a S&W, but I went for a 44 magnum. Great pistol, but hard to shoot a lot of rounds. If I wanted another wheel gun it would be a 686.

BTW - I'm not trashing Ruger. In 22 rifles - nothing compares to the 10/22.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 7:15:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2003 7:17:05 PM EDT by BusMaster007]
My vote is for the Ruger KGP-161 6" Stainless Full-Lug w/Sights .357

You said you don't have one because you sold it.

TOUGH GUN.

The S&W argument invariably falls to the 'nice trigger'.
I'll take the Ruger for it's stronger and more ingenious design, plus the easier disassembly.
You can have the Ruger trigger made to be 'nicer', but, you can't have the S&W made to be 'tougher'.

Nomex ON.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 12:52:15 PM EDT
Beretta 92FS
I have owned a Beretta 92 for 8 years, and the availablity of 15 round magazines makes it an attractive choice, IMHO.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:44:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2003 6:52:33 PM EDT by ALAN308]
I'll pitch in .02 -
the trigger on the browning is different from a single action trigger as I know it and difficult to opperate the controls, for me.
The cz can be had with a single action, straight trigger version which you need to evaluate.
The springfield idea is a crap shoot w/ qc.
Wish I had the guts to invest in a ruger 4" GP100, I have used one Teddy tuned for my friend and it was sweeter than she was.

qcmgr, what sights have you got on your '40'?

Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:10:19 AM EDT
Check out Dan Wessons new 1911 Patriot line .
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:50:06 AM EDT
I vote for the HP also. I'm looking at the Beretta too. Any more opinions on the 92 out there?
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 1:09:59 PM EDT
Purchased a Beretta Elite II 9mm about a year ago, very nice pistol, I don't know if I got lucky or what, but the thing functions flawlessly, trigger is perfect and it's nice looking to.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:40:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M15A22003:
I vote for the HP also. I'm looking at the Beretta too. Any more opinions on the 92 out there?



My opinion on the 92 is that people who bash them either don't have much experience with them or have a totally different idea about what makes a good handgun than I do. I LOVE my Beretta 92FS and I'm putting it up for sale only because I'm going to step up to an Elite II like Happy Jack did.

The Hi-Power is also excellent, if you don't get the infamous hammer bite from it. Both are accurate and reliable 9mms.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 5:52:56 AM EDT
I also recommend that you at least look at the Dan Wesson line. I have 2 of their 1911 clones and both shot as well as a Kimber or even a Wilson custom right out of the box. Their 357 revolvers are also a deal for the money, though I'd look at buying a used one, preferably a pistol pack so you get all the barrels and accessories.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 10:14:52 AM EDT
I've got a CZ75. Its 100% steel, and is real comfortable in the hand. 10+ mags are readily available, and the best part its relatively inexpensive.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 10:25:45 AM EDT
Browning Hi-Power
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 9:46:19 AM EDT
Well,
I went with the Hi-Power. Got a MkIII. Elegant, smoooooth, classy. I'm happy. Now, which wheelgun to get......S&W 27 (minty) or S&W 625 (No key lock, with less than 300 rounds through her). Hmmmmmmmmm


Rich
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 12:45:54 PM EDT
What is the barrel length of these revolvers?
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 12:51:26 PM EDT
I have 2 686's ... I love the trigger. And as an added touch it has 7 rounds.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:03:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2003 1:07:24 PM EDT by Trumpet]
Happy,
The 27 is 4" (I believe, sometimes it's hard to judge because of the size of the beefy N frame....Mmmmm beefy). The 625 is 5" (which would negate it for IDPA, unless I send it to Scott Mulkerin for a shortenin').

Also,
Any of youse have a current Blue Book? I'd like to run some numbers and check if the asking prices are good or not.

Thanks,
Rich
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:32:14 PM EDT
Tuff choice, I have a 625 5"bbl and love that barrel length, nice balance.

The model 27 4" is nice also and they have some extra workmanship, fine checkered top strap, polished and deep blue finish you don't get stuff like that today.

Your gonna have to buy BOTH!

27 NIB=$350...Exc=$325
625 NIB=$425...Exc=$350
That's from 2002 catalog of firearms.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:40:37 PM EDT
Thanks HJack.
Damn, I gotta find a way to finance both of em' . Those numbers from the 2002 catalog of firearms, is that basically the same as the "blue book"? Is it a reputable reference?
The 27 price is about right on (they're asking $359...course it is "with accessories"...what ever they are...) but the 625 price is significantly lower than what the guy is asking....maybe it's time to "dicker" a wee bit .

Later,
Rich
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 2:19:54 PM EDT
Rich, I use it as my reference for buying used, you can get 625's for $550 brand new. Usually I find a like new used gun for $100 to $125 below what you have to pay for a new one, as a basic rule of thumb.

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