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Posted: 12/13/2002 3:57:05 PM EDT
Hello folks.

So its Friday night again and I will ask you folks another trivial question.

I definetely want one of those combat-ready semi-auto battle rifle in my future arsenal. But the problem is I am small framed and not very strong. When I shoot over 30 buckshots with my Benelli my shoulder gets sore... I'd like the full power and range of .308, but I'm slightly afraid if it would become obsolete because of fear of "recoil". What are your thoughts? (I'd like to hear opinions on SA M1A standard or HK 91, please)
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 4:12:11 PM EDT
my std. M1A with port surplus kick about the same as my 12 ga. with trap loads. Hope this helps you out. I actually enjoy the recoil and will fire several hundred rounds at a casual shoot with no ill effects.
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 4:29:56 PM EDT
My 308 (Rem 760) has less of a bite than my Benelli M1, if you can co 30 rounds of full load buckshot the 308 shouldn't be a problem. But, by all means, try b/f you buy.
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 4:58:20 PM EDT
A semi-auto in .308 is quite comfortable to shoot: your Benelli is a harder kicker. I had the same concerns at one time, I weigh in at 165#, but I can shoot my bolt action 8mm and .308 up to about 80 or 90 rounds before the soreness is uncomfortable. A PAST shoulder pad is great for softening the blow.
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 5:06:47 PM EDT
What recoil?
No felt recoil when you're shooting to kill.
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 5:20:46 PM EDT
30 Buckshot rounds will make any shoulder sore. Recoil of .308 is mild compared to a 12 Guage. You should be able to shoot an HK91 all day long. If you are really concerned, the FAL is very soft shooting. The recoil of the M1A is a bit stiffer but not bad. Get one and enjoy.
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 7:43:41 PM EDT
what? no FAL? although .308 isn't a killer, the FAL adjustable gas system helps reduce felt recoil slightly by venting excess gas rather than using all the gas to drive the action rearward
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 10:59:30 PM EDT
Avoid the G3 rifles then, they kick more because they have no gas system.

Quite frankly the least recoiling .308 I've ever shot is my AR-10. As good as the M-14 is it still doesn't have the buffer of the AR-10.

My .o2
Link Posted: 12/13/2002 11:15:14 PM EDT
We have three AR10A4”s in our family and from the bench the recoil is no problem for my 105lb daughter. Just a strait back nudge that is not enough to even loose your sight picture thought the scope.

THISISME
Link Posted: 12/14/2002 2:08:39 PM EDT
I weigh in at 140 lbs, and I'm 5'6" tall. I'm a gunsmith and HAVE to shoot daily. My FAL is enjoyable, I can fire a few hundred through it with no ill effects. The M1A is easy also.

And DO stay away from th hk91 type rifles, the recoils sucks.


Balming

Link Posted: 12/14/2002 2:23:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2002 2:30:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2002 2:31:44 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 12/14/2002 4:23:42 PM EDT
Maverick:

I am 5'6" and maybe 145# soaking wet. I have fired a CETME, M1A, PSS, and some others in .308. Those are nice, but a little heavy for us lightweights.

I can shoot my bolt action Enfield .308 Ishapore until I am bored without getting sore. With a 12 shot detachable mag, reliable and fast action, light design, bayo lug, and price under $200.00, I have no complaints.

I used it at the last Florida Defensive Carbine Club meet. It performed just fine.

-White Horse
Link Posted: 12/14/2002 4:38:59 PM EDT
I got nasty bruise on my shoulder
for weeks after shooting my 12 gauge.
However, I have no problem on my
.308 Rem700PSS.
Link Posted: 12/14/2002 8:45:28 PM EDT
just curious...may I ask why you haven't considered a FAL? I'm not a salesman or anything but I do love mine.

The strongest recoiling weapon I have fired is my shotgun loaded with 3" 1oz deerslug

The next strongest was a 30.06 enfield

The .308s I have fired (primarily FAL) are extremely light recoil by compare
Link Posted: 12/14/2002 8:48:29 PM EDT
My Mauser 8mm kicks my butt, but my M1A's are pretty light. The one caveat is shooting prone, mine seem to kick a little harder.
Link Posted: 12/15/2002 1:41:55 PM EDT
I'd put in another vote for the AR10 with the muzzle brake. Very easy to shoot but a bit loud.
Link Posted: 12/15/2002 2:03:20 PM EDT
Folks, thank you very much for replying.

I'm almost 6' and I weigh somewhere around 150. I will not consider the HK then, I can't stand heavy recoilling rifles since when I go to range, I shoot between 150 and 250 rounds.

Now about that M1A and FAL...I know M1A should be as accurate as ARs, but what about FAL's accuracy? I have no experience with (not even handling them in gun shops) FALs and I absolutely positively have no idea.
Link Posted: 12/15/2002 3:36:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2002 3:42:00 PM EDT by legalese77]
AS to FAL accuracy... most are probably not up to snuff as far as match grade accuracy.

If you are looking for a bench rifle or match rifle the FAL is probably not the way to go. Part of this is due to the less than excellent sights on many FALs. There are solutions, however (optics for instance).

The FAL is a battle rifle and you shouldn't have any problems hitting a man sized target at 500 or 600 yards but few FALS, if any, are sub-MOA guns.

The big pluses of a FAL, IMO are 1) the adjustable gas system which provides for light recoil and adjustment for different operational conditions. 2) Magazines are dirt cheap (9.99 in brand new condition). 3) In my area at least, they are very uncommon and make great conversation pieces at the range (what is THAT!? it's cool!). 4) They are quite reliable
5) Depending on the variant you choose parts are plentiful (adopted in over 90 countries at some point) 6) They have endless configuration capability (though perhaps somewhat less than ARs 7) Very simply and easy to break down and clean (break open like a shotgun and you can just dump the action out) 8) It's the OTHER black rifle 9) If you like projects and especially if you are an avid WECSOGer you can put together a helluva nice rifle for much less than you would spend on an M1A typically.

As to this last one, I personally love projects for a while and then never finish them (witness my AR lower sitting without an upper). I opted to buy a complete rifle from DSA (All US MFG.SA58 with 18" barrel chopped down at no cost and with the 105.00 option of the carbon fiber free float fore-end) A setup like this will set you back at least as much as an M1A if not more. On the other hand, if you buy a kit and collect the US compliance parts and get a receiver you can send it off to a reputable FAL guy like the gunplumber and he will refinish and assemble your rifle and you might be able to get it all done for $600-$800. Obviously the more goodies, the more money.

If a rifle like this interests you at all, I recommend hitting www.falfiles.com. These guys can give you the scoop on whatever you wanna know. Good luck!

edited to add: in the meantime check out this this active thread for some info on the M1A v FAL, the eternal debate:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=159419&page=1
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