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Posted: 9/30/2002 6:15:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2002 6:16:37 AM EDT by QUIB]
I'm not up on all the types of home defense ammo in 9mm. Would Gart Bros carry a good 9mm I could use for home defense? Thanks!

Wanted to add: This would be for a SIG P225.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 6:20:12 AM EDT
Check out the new Federal EFMJ...I love it!
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 7:14:02 AM EDT
I've been playing around with the Aguila 9mm IQ ammo(65 grn bullet at 1550 fps). The bullet is pre-fragmented, which should do much to reduce over penetration. The stuff functions flawlessly in my Glock 34, as well as my Colt 9mm AR and the recoil feels like a .32 cal.

It's currently my house load in the AR, because the velocity in the 10.5 inch barrel should be significantly higher.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 7:24:14 AM EDT
A couple of years ago I saw a Columbia, MO police officer put down a deer with two rounds of 9mm Speer Gold-dot, which is the standard ammo for alot of police agencies.

The doe had been hit by a Volvo and was obviously in pain, all of her legs were broken. Two shots to the heart and in 20 seconds she wasn't even twitching. Of course this was at point blank range, but then again most handgun engagements are, statistically.

I'm also a believer in Federal Hydra-shok and Remington Golden Sabers. Winchester SXT is good in .45, don't know if they make a 9mm version.

I've also played with Aguila IQ, it feeds and functions fine, etc., but is probably the only ammunition I've ever shot with enough muzzle flash to go from "cool!" to "that's annoying". There is no flash retardant whatsoever in the powder, which looks very Hollywood at the range, but is less desireable in real life.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 9:58:13 AM EDT
There are only 2 9mm rounds currently that I will give the time of day......The Winchester Ranger 127 gr +P+ and the Speer Gold Dot (or Black Hills with Gold Dot bullets) 124 gr +P. If I can't have one of these two loads, then I want a .40 S&W or a .45 ACP. But with the two above mentioned rounds, I feel the 9mm is about as good as anything. Great penetration and expansion. The Speer 124 gr +P's were selling at a good price on at www.aimsurplus.com a few days ago.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 10:03:50 AM EDT
I've got frangibles loaded in my G19, at least the first 6 rounds. Less wall penetration and best transfer of energy.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 10:05:45 AM EDT
I use Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P's in my Beretta 92F for home defense. I wouls also consider Remington Golden Sabre 124gr+P's but they are not loaded as hot as the Speer Gold Dots.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 10:51:33 AM EDT
124 grain +p+ Hydrashoks. Proven effectiveness, not exotic, would hold up well in a court as a reasonable ammo to have, since PD's use them.
The question of exotic hyper velocity ammo came up in our shooters group, it seems the courts may not be very understanding of using ammo that is extremely effective. It might be percieved as actually trying to kill someone, not just stopping them. Just food for thought.
Lebrew
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 10:55:46 AM EDT
Federal 9BP. It's accurate in every gun I've used it in(Glock, Sig, Beretta etc..) and it has a great stopping record.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 11:41:19 AM EDT
Federal Hyra-shok 115 grain, or Gold Dot 115 grain +p Not much of a fan of 124grain ammo in this caliber.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 11:53:00 AM EDT
Corbons for my lil' G26, but prefer 230 hydorshocks in my sig 220 when possible.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 2:12:33 PM EDT
Gold-dot is what my dept carries, its been real effective so far.

tnrifleman.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 2:14:41 PM EDT
Thanks for all the replys. I stopped by Garts and picked up a box of Federal 124 grain Hydra-Shok. Price was $11.99 but it wouldn't scan right, so the girl gave me the 20 rd box for $9. Guy at the counter said this was all they had for defense ammo. How would this ammo hold up in court if I did have to use it? Would I be considered a "blood thirsty freak" for using this ammo to protect my family?
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 2:41:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QUIB:
Thanks for all the replys. I stopped by Garts and picked up a box of Federal 124 grain Hydra-Shok. Price was $11.99 but it wouldn't scan right, so the girl gave me the 20 rd box for $9. Guy at the counter said this was all they had for defense ammo. How would this ammo hold up in court if I did have to use it? Would I be considered a "blood thirsty freak" for using this ammo to protect my family?



I think you (and many others here) are too worried about what the courts do afterward. I think we should be far more concerned about the encounter where a gun will be needed. Me, I want the best round I can get. If my ammo can help keep me alive, I will worry about dealing with the courts later. If it's a justified shooting, I could care less what ammo I am using. Justified is justified. Of course even so there may be some sort of scumbag attorney that tries to file some sort of civil suit on behalf of the scumbag's family regardless of ammo used. But as far as criminal liabilty of using high performance ammo...I am not concerned. I'll say this much, where I live anyway, if I am justified in shooting in the first place, I have nothing else to worry about from a legal standpoint.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 3:23:15 PM EDT
I'm by no means worried, was trying to be a little sarcastic! I agree with you 100%! Plus if this ammo was illegal to use would Garts be selling it!
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 3:40:38 PM EDT
For what it's worth , US Customs issues 124gr.+P Gold Dots to their Special Agents to be used in custom Golck 17s.

And the FBI has JUST changed over to Gold Dots in ALL PISTOL AMMO with the exception of the "SEX GUN" . They still use Remington Bonded Golden Saber 230 gr. in the $4K Springfield 45 HRT 1911 pistols .

Link Posted: 9/30/2002 6:04:50 PM EDT
For home defense I keep my P228 loaded with Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p. 14 in the gun with another 13 in spare mag.

If that can't do the job, then my 590 gets dirty.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 6:32:04 PM EDT
Has ammo type ever been a problem in court?

"I shot the guy 3 in the chest and one in the head and YOU want to know what kind of ammo I was using?"

Not that I'd really say that in court.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 6:44:26 PM EDT
CorBon 115 grain JHP +P. 1200+ fps out of my Kahr K9.
Link Posted: 9/30/2002 8:28:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Attman:
...
"I shot the guy 3 in the chest and one in the head and YOU want to know what kind of ammo I was using?"
...




Why waste ammo, get a .45 and put an end to the MF with one shot

I've got 2 9mm. One, a 92F, is loaded and stashed "somewhere" with Black Talons (that's ORIGINAL stuff, folks) For when I'm not near my .45's



btw,
I've got a thread going on over in Legal that is about reloads for defense.


Link Posted: 10/1/2002 1:03:40 AM EDT
Winchester Ranger 127Gn +P+
Link Posted: 10/1/2002 1:25:24 AM EDT
I prefer the Federal 135gr Hydra-Shoks in a standard preasure. The 124 +p+ is "supposed" to be for law enforcement only... so you might have some problems in court if you use it. Next to that, Cor*Bon 115gr +p.
Link Posted: 10/1/2002 5:05:27 AM EDT
I bought Federal Premium 124gr Hydra-Shok #P9HS1, I guess these are standard pressure rounds. Did a web search and visited Federal site also,nowhere did it mention +P or +P+. Dosen't say on the box either, I was more concerned with the higher pressures effecting my pistol (P225). I'm sure the SIG is designed to withstand firing these hotter loads.
Link Posted: 10/1/2002 5:15:16 AM EDT
The speer are good and I just replaced them with Hydra's.
Link Posted: 10/1/2002 5:25:08 AM EDT
My 92FS has 124gr +P+ Hydrashoks.

My 1911 has Federal 200gr +P EFMJ.

Av.
Link Posted: 10/1/2002 1:29:12 PM EDT
I have first three in, last three out of Winchester 147gr Silvertip hollowpoints. The gist of the "wound cavity" film we saw in CCW class suggested that the heavier the bullet, the better the wound cavity. Sandwiched between those are Winchester 124gr FMJ. I don't plan on having to shoot across the street.
Link Posted: 10/1/2002 1:40:05 PM EDT
I've shot most of the rounds mentioned and they are all good. I hope you are staying current with some range time. The best round in the world will not help in the wall next to a bad guy. A really poor round with good shot placement will likely get the job done. Good luck.
Link Posted: 10/5/2002 5:00:34 AM EDT
There's no such thing as a "majic bullet"
Trade your pip-squeak 9mickeyMouse for a real caliber.
Get a .45ACP and learn how to use it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2002 6:29:57 AM EDT
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P Hollow Point.

1. Excellant reliability ( especially in your Sig)

2. Excellant Quality Control

3. Very accurate

4. Tremendous terminal Ballistics
Link Posted: 10/6/2002 7:52:38 PM EDT
Fed 9BP
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