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Posted: 9/20/2002 9:01:42 AM EDT
Everytime I see a picture of special forces they show them with a m-4 or a really short AR I admit they do look cool but in a big desert don't you want a long barrel? or are these guys just clearing buildings and close combat?
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 9:04:51 AM EDT
Because contrary to popular belief around here, with very few exceptions soldiers are only alloewd to carry what they are issued, and somebody in the chain of command decided that the M4 was the optimal weapon for the situation.
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 10:36:19 AM EDT
The issue weapon of the 101st, 82nd, and most of the 10th mountain is the M-4. The SF units have sniper weapons and radios for the longer out targets.
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 10:57:28 AM EDT
...because the brit's won't share their SA-80's with anyone!
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 11:37:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 7IDL:
...because the brit's won't share their SA-80's with anyone!





Bwuahahahahahahahahaha­hahaaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is too funny
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 12:25:02 PM EDT
"Everytime I see a picture of special forces they show them with a m-4 or a really short AR I admit they do look cool but in a big desert don't you want a long barrel? or are these guys just clearing buildings and close combat? "



That is a good question.
I heard the boys will be carrying M1 Garands for CQB in Iraq.





Tony
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 1:12:31 PM EDT
I betcha some of the guys out there in the desert would trade there M-4's for M1 garands if I had to make 300 yard shots I would want something that had some power and did some damage.
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 1:58:05 PM EDT
exactly my point.


Tony
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 2:21:07 PM EDT
You guys, I think the horse was dead a year ago.

You can stop beating it now.
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 2:45:43 PM EDT
It is not dead, I think I saw it twitch :)

hehe, M14 rifle loaded with 180gr hunting rounds.......

Bye Bye Taliban supporter
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 9:25:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
You guys, I think the horse was dead a year ago.

You can stop beating it now.



Link Posted: 9/20/2002 9:31:53 PM EDT
Saw a photo of a UDT team member with a nice long 21" looking rifle in a recent military magazine.
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 10:33:35 PM EDT
I saw various members of SEALs boarding H-60's carrying various H&K's, M4's, and M14's.
Hehehe.
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 11:15:26 PM EDT
Don't belive every picture you see in a propaganda publication to be an exact template for what is really going on.
Link Posted: 9/20/2002 11:58:37 PM EDT
because M4s are Kewl and the womenz like em..
Link Posted: 9/21/2002 1:34:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Everytime I see a picture of special forces they show them with a m-4 or a really short AR I admit they do look cool but in a big desert don't you want a long barrel? or are these guys just clearing buildings and close combat?



The entire SCHV (Small Caliber High Velocity) program was tested and approved using 20" barrels to obtain the correct velocity needed to insure fragmentation. (Although by 1973 we did understand that an 18 1/4 " barrel worked fine.)

The short-barreled M4 was wrong and the ammunition was wrong at the beginning of the Afghan war. At least the ammunition is being addressed.
Link Posted: 9/21/2002 2:59:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2002 3:20:43 AM EDT
hairless and twitching horse
Link Posted: 9/21/2002 4:44:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

The entire SCHV (Small Caliber High Velocity) program was tested and approved using 20" barrels to obtain the correct velocity needed to insure fragmentation. (Although by 1973 we did understand that an 18 1/4 " barrel worked fine.




So the government never ever tested the M4 and how well M855 works in it?
Link Posted: 9/21/2002 5:54:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Everytime I see a picture of special forces they show them with a m-4 or a really short AR I admit they do look cool but in a big desert don't you want a long barrel? or are these guys just clearing buildings and close combat?



Because the M-4 is what is in the arms rooms.

Maybe, depends on whether you are spending a lot of your time engaging long range targets.

Contrary to what you may think, there is no gun bearer for you to shout at to bring up a longer club. What you brought is what you got.
Link Posted: 9/21/2002 10:17:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Everytime I see a picture of special forces they show them with a m-4 or a really short AR I admit they do look cool but in a big desert don't you want a long barrel? or are these guys just clearing buildings and close combat?


Because if its more than 250 yards away you call for an air strike.

Link Posted: 9/21/2002 11:13:07 AM EDT
Because God said so....
Link Posted: 9/21/2002 4:08:34 PM EDT
The M4 offers greater flexibility in CQCB. That's Close Quarters Cave Battles.
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