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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:09:20 AM EDT
Looks like there might be some serious fighting there soon...according to MSN, India has massed a MILLION troops on the Pakistani border...So what kinds of guns will be in this fight? Do the Indians still rely on the 7.62 FAL, or have they gone micro caliber? The Paks I've seen on the news have G-3's, AK's and MG-42's.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 6:31:55 AM EDT
Yes, I think the Indians do mainly still employ the FAL as their main combat rifle. But I also think they have a smattering of AR's and other types as well. I think I can recall seeing them using a WWII vintage .303 machine gun not long ago during the last flare up. Both sides seem to use whatever they have on hand and nothing appears to be "standard". If the shooting starts I imagine there will even be a few bolt guns get in on the action from both sides.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 6:37:37 AM EDT


Mostly FAL.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 6:43:01 AM EDT
i recently read they use a mix of FAL, AK and AR. i'd also bet they've got a bunch of SMLE's stashed somewhere.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:03:03 AM EDT
India does still use their home-grown non-licensed FAL in some units, but for front line units they use a home-grown knock-off of the East German AK for which they never paid the former EG gov't (see Ezell's new Kalashnikov book), and also use a home-grown Galil-looking AK in .22 caliber something, I think 5.45 but I cannot recall.

Noah
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:05:37 AM EDT
........they have a smattering of AR's.........


ROTFLMAO......I like your choice of words Charging Handle;like they(India)are some kind of ingredient in a recipe.LOL.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:10:04 AM EDT
Why, thank you sir! :-)
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:15:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2002 7:28:14 AM EDT by Stormbringer]
Nope..

They now us the INSAS.)( Indian Small Arms System)..I think its a home grown AK-74 in 5.56



www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0600/666.htm

I have an Ishapore FN....not the worst but not the best.


Here is a site listing all their toys...

www.ofbindia.com/exports/small_arms.htm

Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:27:36 AM EDT
That INSAS looks like it might actually be a pretty good rifle, aside from the magazine. I like the aperture sights.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:36:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 8:07:51 AM EDT
Stormbringer -- THANK YOU! That's what I was trying to recall and describe. It does look Galil-ish with the PG and the front gas tube / handguard arrangement.

Noah
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 9:00:28 AM EDT
What? WOOD stocks... and PLASTIC magazines? And those mags look like 20- or 25- rounders at best! I wonder if the Indians are still in the stone age (like their Brit mentors) and don't think the individual soldier should have a full-auto weapon...
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 10:07:59 AM EDT
Psssst....Stormsurge...

Did'nt the US army go to 3 round burst a while ago???


Link Posted: 5/23/2002 10:24:23 AM EDT
Yes, and they have realized that burst is a mistake...Not that I am saying the Army is up to speed...Being a former Marine, we always regarded our larger sister service as a bunch of ill-trained bufoons..
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 11:17:34 AM EDT
Also see www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Rifles.html for more info. Mags be 20 and 30 rounds...
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 11:24:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By StormSurge:
Yes, and they have realized that burst is a mistake...Not that I am saying the Army is up to speed...Being a former Marine, we always regarded our larger sister service as a bunch of ill-trained bufoons..



As a former private in the US Army I think 'buffoons' should only apply to officers !
Link Posted: 5/24/2002 8:36:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By StormSurge:
Yes, and they have realized that burst is a mistake...Not that I am saying the Army is up to speed...Being a former Marine, we always regarded our larger sister service as a bunch of ill-trained bufoons..



Being a former Marine, I'm sure you are aware that the A2 rifle with its burst instead of auto was not an Army design.
Link Posted: 5/26/2002 2:52:06 AM EDT
I don't think India has a "standard" issue rifle.
Link Posted: 5/26/2002 3:02:37 AM EDT
They said Indians, not Mexicans.......sheesh


Originally Posted By Noname:



Link Posted: 5/26/2002 5:54:34 AM EDT
Nice cravat. Rifle sucks.
Link Posted: 5/26/2002 6:51:14 AM EDT






Link Posted: 5/26/2002 8:53:31 AM EDT
ON a news report on that suicide bomber over there, I saw the Gaurds carrying M-1 Garands

Obviously Bought behind the counter of their local 7-11

Link Posted: 5/26/2002 11:19:57 AM EDT
Their FALs are Rifle Factory Ishapore model 1A.
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