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Posted: 5/19/2002 5:53:28 PM EDT
Which do you prefer for home/selfdefense, I have a few boxes of 00 3" and a bunch of 000 3" buck and I am just trying to decide which is best, I like the 00 because it has like 15 pellets and I think it is pretty hard to go wrong with that many, but then again the 000 buck pellets will penetrate farther??
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:04:15 PM EDT
I use a handgun for home defense but I have a lot of shotguns and I'd use standard 2-3/4 inch 00 buckshot. So I think you're fine with either load you mentioned.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:26:31 PM EDT
Have you ever fired 3" buckshot? Packs quite a whallop! To you and your target.

Needless to say, the 2-3/4" is much nicer to shoot. And very effective, especially at home defense range.

2-3/4" tactical loads are even better, much less recoil allows for quicker followup shots.

Try shooting a 3" slug sometime, just to see what happens. It's an experience you will not forget (and probably won't want to repeat).
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:32:08 PM EDT
I hope it doesn't kick too bad I bough 65 rounds of the 3"ers. You know what I am going to try when I get my coach gun, 2 3" loads at one time that will be fun!
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:32:27 PM EDT
I have slugs in mine.
I also have some of those mini shot shells
with slugs. Kicks like a mule but ilikeit.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:38:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
You know what I am going to try when I get my coach gun, 2 3" loads at one time that will be fun!



Oh yeah! I hope you weigh enough to not land on your ass.

Do not lean against a wall or tree when you do this. You will regret it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 7:03:20 PM EDT
What about 0 (single aught) buckshot?
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 7:16:33 PM EDT
Two rounds of #4 buck followed but three rounds of double ought. The butt stock has five more rounds of double ought.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:11:53 PM EDT
00 Buck paterns better

000 Buck does not stack well in a 12 G. shell

2 3/4" rounds have 9 or 12 00 Buck, your choice....

3" rnds. have 15 00 Buck

000 Buck is best in a 10 G. 3 1/2", you get 20 of'm....

uuuh..., that is, as of 1978ad, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth...., & i killed'm all.......
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:14:33 PM EDT
3" slugs.
POW!
BLAM!
.729 caliber self-defense.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:19:18 PM EDT
000 Buck
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:38:26 PM EDT
Number 8 bird shot is a good personal defense round if you are INSIDE a house with thin walls. I don't want 33cal pellets cutting through into the other rooms were family might be. 000 is not a personal defense round for the man with other people in the house.

Personally also like number 1 buck, in 3in pellets are still 30cal and you get around 16 of them. Over penetration is still the over riding concern. Slugs are a no-no unless you are in a house/ Compound with cement walls.


JerrY
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:45:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CactusJack:


2 3/4" rounds have 9 or 12 00 Buck, your choice....




do the shells with 12 pellets have less powder?
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 10:06:30 PM EDT
Could somebody explain the shotgun shell numbers, like Number 7, etc, to me? I have been looking, but I haven't found the answer yet.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 10:19:23 PM EDT
I just got assigned to work on some 0000 buck (yes, 0000 not 000). A 2 3/4 shell holds 7 of the 85gr .38 cal pellets.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 10:20:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Which do you prefer for home/selfdefense, I have a few boxes of 00 3" and a bunch of 000 3" buck and I am just trying to decide which is best, I like the 00 because it has like 15 pellets and I think it is pretty hard to go wrong with that many, but then again the 000 buck pellets will penetrate farther??



I'd go with the 2&3/4 inch "tactical" or "reduced recoil" 00 or 000 loads. I'd buy samples of various brands, test them for pattern, and buy lots of the one that: 1) patterns best and 2) costs less (assuming there is a tie in patterning). Federal tactical has a good rep., but it's a little pricy. I'd probably start with it.

Since you already have the 3 inch magnum loads, in your case you are best pattern testing your 00 and 000 loads and decide what to keep loaded based upon the results.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 11:18:49 PM EDT
If standard 2.75 inch 12 gauge OO Buck can't get it done, a gun is not the answer to begin with.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 4:15:08 AM EDT
Doublefeed,

The number is the shotsize. The larger the number, the smaller the shot (and thus more in the shell). 8 is a bunch of really tiny friggin BB's 7 larger bb's etc. down to 00 (double ought) and 000 Triple Ought. I believe 00 is .32 caliber balls.

Mike
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 4:26:53 AM EDT
1911Greg,
less wadding !! did you see those new shot shells advertised on the front cover of "Shotgun News" ?? they are designed for use inside buildings.......

Double Feed,
the numbers relate to shot size, #14 being the smallest in some references it was/is called "dust", #7 is considered an overall small game load, pass shooting at geese, try #4, the "Gun Digest" once showed the size of lead shot & explained the shot size system...

CH,
right on !!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 5:35:50 AM EDT
Be sure to tell us how much fun those 2 3" shells in that coach gun is. I can't wait to here that one.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 10:56:05 AM EDT
I load both OO and OOO. OO seems to give quite a percentage of hits per load, due to tighter patterns. In a 12 gauge OOO is stacked in layers of 2, OO in layers of three. Weight for the individual pellets is about 54grs for OO and 70grs per pellet of OOO, so the OOO will probably penetrate slightly deeper, and will definitely carry more weight per pellet, but the total payload weight allowable is always greater with smaller pellets.
I prefer a .45 and #6 shot for home defense (I live in an apartment)
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 11:11:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 11:22:17 AM EDT
Nice read troy but I am suprised that they believe 0 buck is the best.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 12:58:23 PM EDT
Three inch buckshot is the absolute worst kicking load I have ever shot. It even hurts with a recoil pad. I can't imagine how bad it would be in a coach gun.

For indoors stuff, I think plain old 2 3/4" birdshot would do anything that needs done.

Link Posted: 5/20/2002 1:01:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 6:21:24 PM EDT
6 rounds of 23/4:" #4 Buck. "Bad Guy" becomes "Hamburger"

Tony
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 6:49:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I hope it doesn't kick too bad I bough 65 rounds of the 3"ers. You know what I am going to try when I get my coach gun, 2 3" loads at one time that will be fun!



I'd love to see this. If your shotgun weighs less than 8 pounds its gonna kick your ass good. You had better follow the suggestion of a previous post...make sure you are free standing, not leaning your self, arms, etc against anything when you shoot both barrels at once.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 7:02:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2002 7:08:13 PM EDT by ECS]

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By CactusJack:


2 3/4" rounds have 9 or 12 00 Buck, your choice....




do the shells with 12 pellets have less powder?



Don't worry about the powder, just look at the weight/size of the pellets and the muzzle velocity.

Shotgun shells are loaded according to two things. (1) total weight of the pellets/ slug and (2) muzzle velocity.

The heavier the load(pellets) the slower powder must be used to propel it out the muzzle at a safe pressure.

Shotgun loads started out as black powder loads. Black powder uses up alot more volume than smokless. Therefore the length of shotgun hulls corresponds to a length suitable for black powder loads.

With the transition to smokeless there is a lot of 'empty' space in modern shotgun loads. This space is taken up by the wad, which has a shot cup to hold the shot, a 'seal' at the bottom next to the powder, and collapsible 'legs' to take up the rest of the space.

There are many different wads available, depending on the load you are making.

Finally, some loads have no wad, instead they use a piece of cardboard that separates the powder from the load. The rest of the hull is then filled with a mixture of pellets and a filler, called a buffer. The purpose of the buffer is to try to reduce the deforming of the pellets, which are subjected to extreme forces during firing and get flat spots on them. Out of round pellets will not fly straight, leading to holes in your pattern.

Of course all this stuff means nothing at close range, like inside you house.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 7:21:51 PM EDT
You can only KILL an Intruder so DEAD 2 3/4" OO Buck will suffice.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:00:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2002 8:04:43 PM EDT by ECS]

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Could somebody explain the shotgun shell numbers, like Number 7, etc, to me? I have been looking, but I haven't found the answer yet.



DoubleFeed, look here on the Hodgdon website.
www.hodgdon.com/data/shotshel/index.htm

The chilled shot table / shot chart lists the size, number pellets per ounce, etc. I really have no idea how they came up with the numbers though. Maybe another world famous British system of measures?

You know, like 12 inches / foot, 3 feet / yard, 1760 yards, mile...yea that makes sense
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:23:48 PM EDT
I like to use a roll of dimes in each barrel. "here's yer change"

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