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Posted: 5/3/2002 11:21:41 PM EDT
Requirements:

Good stopping power
Low/no malfunctions
High round capacity
Carryability/Concealability

Thanks for the opinions
Link Posted: 5/3/2002 11:43:06 PM EDT
Glock 22. Had to be the first to say it...
Link Posted: 5/3/2002 11:51:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2002 11:53:48 PM EDT by Glo1]
First of all wash out the "STOPPING POWER" ideas from your head. Because if you use a .45 but cant hit anything with it, it is useless.
Plenty of people pushing up daisies from the effects of a well placed 9mm, or .22 for that matter. The GLOCK will be the best firearm for your price range. Find one that fits your hand and carry style. And if you get the chance, shoot it before you buy it.

PS. If you dont like the feel of the Glock try the Ruger line of pistols. They are a bit less expensive and are very reliable.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 12:31:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2002 12:32:50 AM EDT by sulaco]
9mm is not a bad stopper round…
CZ75B – CZ’s Steel Pistol, good quality pistol at an affordable Price, high-caps available for less than 40. $350~450
CZ100 – CZ’s Polymer Pistol, kind of a love hate relationship here but a good pistol pistol for the price, try before you buy advised. $350~400

added: www.cz-usa.com/
- Sulaco
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 12:45:39 AM EDT
I have a Ruger P90 and a P94 and they are both great pieces.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 1:18:23 AM EDT
Glock-Used or new.

Models 20, 21 or 22.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 2:59:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 3:50:36 AM EDT
I have to say that the G22, G23, G27 are all fine pistols. The G27 is the smallest and easiest to conceal. The G22 is the largest of the bunch but still very easy to conceal and it is very light weight. You can use the hi cap 22 mags in any of the other .40 cal Glocks. I personally have a 22 and a 27 and probably will get a 23 next. The only downfall in my opinion to the .40 is that the ammo is more money, but that is why I bought a G17 in 9mm so I can get more practice at the range for less money.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 4:57:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2002 4:59:35 AM EDT by s0ulzer0]
Glock - Glock - Glock,
you'd think they were the only guns on the planet!
What about the Beretta 92FS?
The classic 1911A1?

Don't you cry about how heavy they are - Poofters!

You fellas are just a bunch'a gangstas!
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 5:28:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 5:36:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2002 5:39:58 AM EDT by Kuryakyn]

Originally Posted By s0ulzer0:
What about the Beretta 92FS?
The classic 1911A1?





Man those are too heavy

Might also look for a USED H&K USP Compact in .40 or 9mm
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 6:03:10 AM EDT
What about the Walther P99?
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 6:09:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 6:25:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By s0ulzer0:
What about the Walther P99?



The P99 is a little pricey and the hi-caps are costly as well ($400-500 range).

The Walther P990 (DAO P99) would get into the price range, as would the Beretta 9000. Both available in either 9mm or .40.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 6:27:16 AM EDT
I bought a used Glock 30 for $425.00 almost 10,000 rounds ago. I probably need to replace the spring but it still functions perfectly and groups very well at fifty feet. I shoot anything I can get my hands on through it from forty year old mil surplus to Hydrashock +P.


Link Posted: 5/4/2002 6:58:20 AM EDT
Without question, the best value in a high-cap gun right now is a CZ-75B. They can be had new, with 1 high-cap and 1 ten round mag, for under $400. Factory high caps are ~ $35, and even the cheap (<$20) Pro Mags work correctly.

The guns have an excellent reputation, great ergonomics, can be carried DA or cocked and locked, and are known for their reliability.

With a little shopping you can probably find one under $400 with a bunch of accessories. Check out the CZ Forums at pub69.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792

Link Posted: 5/4/2002 7:00:19 AM EDT
Glocks have long since past that price range in this part of the country.
You can get still buy a good revolver here for that price.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 7:08:07 AM EDT
Springfield Armory Mil-Spec 1911. Paid $449 for mine new at Sportsmans Warehouse. I couldnt be happier with it. I've been so impressed with accuracy and reliability that I use it for day to day carry.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 7:54:43 AM EDT
Second the Mil-Spec 1911 from Springfield Armory.

My first handgun was a NIB Beretta 92FS for a bit over $500. Great gun, eats everything and I have not had any failures with it.

I bought the Houge wrap-around grips to fatten it up a bit. They work great.

Av.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 7:58:27 AM EDT
Thanks a lot for the opinions guys. I have really been tossing it up between another glock or a 1911, but i think im going to go with the g23....

Link Posted: 5/4/2002 8:06:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2002 8:07:03 AM EDT by schapman43]
Noooooo!!! Dont do it!!! Get the 1911!
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 8:13:27 AM EDT
I only paid $485 for my NIB USP Compact 9mm
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 9:21:48 AM EDT
Go with Glock my son. Model 30 to be exact.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 9:43:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Astrogoth:
Go with Glock my son. Model 30 to be exact.



Then when it blows up get the 1911. The USP is also a great gun but costs more. Unless you find a deal like brouhaha.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 1:25:50 PM EDT
I bought my Glock 30 for $490 NIB. I've shot at least 5,000 rounds of all kinds of ammo through it and have never had a failure. You don't need to worry about it blowing up--it's a well made gun, and a helluva lot easier to conceal than a 1911. Don't get me wrong, 1911s are GREAT guns, but not optimial for concealed carry, IMO.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 1:38:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Waverunner:
Glock 19 if you can get the hi-caps



ditto, with the right ammo, the best carry gun in that price range for my money, hi-caps are a LOT easier to come by than the .45, 10mm and .40 glocks.
and it will go BANG when you want it to.
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 1:52:01 PM EDT
I would second the opinion on the Walther P99. There are lots of good guns listed here, but it comes down to comfort and size for me.

I just ordered a Walther P99 in the .40 cal. It is the Black frame with the Silver colored slide, and two preban 12rnd mags.

I paid 530 for the gun, and an additional 95.00 bucks a pop for the preban mags. What is interesting, is that this gun was introduced in 1996... so how can you have preban mags?
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 2:00:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 11:35:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/5/2002 11:35:47 AM EDT by MurderSHO45]
Does this whole website love glocks or what!!

According to previous posts within the last week, we obviously know why glock is the #1 gun on AR15.com, cause its the only handgun that can reliably shot wolf ammo. And that's saying alot!!
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 11:50:38 AM EDT
For your $500 price cap you could get 2 Kel-Tec P11's, 9mm, they take any S&W 59 series Hi-Cap mags. And as for function, Guns & Ammo did a tourture test, 11,000 rounds of +P ammo in 2 weeks, and if memeory serves right less than 10 malfunctions. And as for conselabality, only 1"wide, 14.3 oz empty, i carry mine in a holster, with an extra mag in jeans and a T-shirt, and no one has noticed it yet(been carring it like this for 3 years) I would trust my life to it anyday.


I have a P40 also, but it always has a chambering problem with the last round, so i don't carry it for that reason, but if it wasn't for that, i'd be my weapon of choice.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 11:53:37 AM EDT
G27
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 12:15:05 PM EDT
I too love my Glock, but I have been carrying my 92FS for the past year. It has never had a hiccup with anything including Wolf. That's not to inply it's not the dirtiest crap I've ever shot, just that the gun will take it.
When it comes to choosing 1 gun to carry, I don't worry about caliber as long as it's over 9mm. I always advise choosing the gun that feels the most comfortable and natural in hand and has a good reputation for reliability. For daily carry, I figure 16 rnds is plenty, wether that is in 1 Beretta hi cap or 2 Wilsons for the Kimber. As most firearms incidents involve less than half that, I usually feel pretty comfortable. For those times I feel a little more paranoid than usual, I will grab another mag. Basically, go with what you like and don't believe everything you hear.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 12:21:23 PM EDT
Glock 19 has all you could ask for! HiCaps are easy and cheap to find and the gun is very accurate.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 1:49:25 PM EDT
The Glock 23 is PERFECT for ya...

First: Caliber- A great compromise between the .45 and 9mm.

Second: Size- Another great compromise- 14 rds of .40, plus a relatively slim, small package to conceal.

Third- Price- meets your criteria, and cheaper than buying a G22 AND a G27, but with many good aspects of BOTH guns.

Wonderful choice- safe shooting!
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 5:34:17 PM EDT
Hey, when I was pistol shopping this weeked, I came across a
Walther P99 stainless, used, but looks so clean inside & out like it's
never been fired. Has its hard case, 2 10rnd mags and cleaning rod, only $419.
It's at Bernie's Sports Center www.bernies-sports.com
Tel: 770-381-9897 / Fax: 770-381-3651

I was thinking about it, but picked up a nice used Sig Sauer P226 for $399 at Southeastern.

Link Posted: 5/5/2002 6:54:49 PM EDT
Get Glockasized Dude...
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:04:25 PM EDT
Ruger
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:12:06 PM EDT
Glock 26 & Glock 19, 15 round mags with magazine Extensions.

Get the best of both worlds.

www.glockmeister.com/ext.html
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:16:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By brouhaha:
I only paid $485 for my NIB USP Compact 9mm



That gun had to be used.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:35:15 PM EDT
There can be only one

The 1911 is the truth the way and the light

Praise to lord Browning and his divine instruments

yae I walk through the valley of Glock I shall fear no evil. Thy 1911 and ball ammo protect me.

Link Posted: 5/5/2002 8:00:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan:

Originally Posted By brouhaha:
I only paid $485 for my NIB USP Compact 9mm



That gun had to be used.



Nope. It wasn't used at all. He was a dealer at a gunshow that decided to stop selling HK, and this was his last.

And believe me...I know what to look for in USPs. This was the 4th that I've bought.

If this one was used, he somehow put in a new bolt face, along with a new extractor, ejector, barrel, firing pin, etc.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 2:33:09 PM EDT


G19/G22/G23


I wuld give that new Springfield XD pistol
a serious look.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 3:20:55 PM EDT
I love my Kel-Tec P11; there's no 9mm that's more concealable. I also love my Glock 19; it shoots like a dream. But yesterday, after years of drooling, I picked up a Walther P99 military (green) for $469. It's the same size as the G19 and only 1 ounce more, but it has a plethora of design features that are far superior, IMO. It even has the tenifer hardening treatment on the slide like the Glock.

Of course, the proof is in the shooting and that's coming up in a couple of days, but I have high hopes for this little wonder. I strongly recommend that you give it serious consideration.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:55:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By luger355:
There can be only one

The 1911 is the truth the way and the light

Praise to lord Browning and his divine instruments

yae I walk through the valley of Glock I shall fear no evil. Thy 1911 and ball ammo protect me.




LMAO!!!
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:35:45 PM EDT
Sig Pro!

.40 or .357SIG

223REM
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:49:16 PM EDT
Good shooter, decent sights, not too heavy, came with a 15-round and 10-round mag.

$349.

My only complaint, albeit minor, is that the mag slightly rubs the inside of the magwell and doesn't quite drop-free.



Link Posted: 5/6/2002 8:24:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HMC:

Originally Posted By brouhaha:

Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan:

Originally Posted By brouhaha:
I only paid $485 for my NIB USP Compact 9mm



That gun had to be used.



Nope. It wasn't used at all. He was a dealer at a gunshow that decided to stop selling HK, and this was his last.

And believe me...I know what to look for in USPs. This was the 4th that I've bought.

If this one was used, he somehow put in a new bolt face, along with a new extractor, ejector, barrel, firing pin, etc.



If that USP was indeed new- what a steal! I'd buy it just to sell it for more later. My USP .45 Compact cost me just under $600 almost two years ago.



There was a time, about 3.5 years ago, when the HKs, compact & full size, were sold with one magazine, a lock, and a nice brown box. I saw them at a local gun shop, cheaper than at the local gun shows (which had the brown boxes too). Full size 9mm Stainless was about $480, and blue was about $419-$440. Full size .45 was $485, stainless was (a little more).
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 8:39:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigUpTuck:
Requirements:

Good stopping power
Low/no malfunctions
High round capacity
Carryability/Concealability

Thanks for the opinions



You can find deals on various guns that fit this criteria. Prices will vary, depending on caliber, finish, style, model, coolness factor, reliability, new/used, clearance, sratch & dent, etc.

You can easily find a NEW revolver in this price range, that will fit all but one of your criteria-- high round capacity. Do you think you will need 10+ rounds per magazine? If you want concealment, this will limit the number of rounds you can carry anyway, so a revolver may be your best bet. (Personally, I don't like revolvers.) Check out the S&W air-weights or scandium frames, and look into the Taurus models.

If you want an auto-loader, just save up for an HK or a Kimber. You'd be surprised how quickly you can cut expenses to save the extra money. (i.e. if you eat out a lot, save the $1-$2 on the drink and order water.)
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