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Posted: 4/5/2002 7:13:25 AM EDT
Has anyone every seen a M-16 A1, that was
made by General Motors, Hydro-matic Division ?
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 7:51:44 AM EDT
The TH350 model? Yea, I have one in my Monte Carlo.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:00:55 AM EDT
HUH????
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:05:34 AM EDT
I have seen several when I was an armorer in the 101st Abn. They belonged to replacements coming into the unit during Desert Shield/Storm and also during basic I saw a couple. I believe I saw a few since I have been in the Air National Guard, but mainly all we have had are M-16 models until we received A2's from FN's and all of the General Motors M-16's I have ever seen are A1 models. Hope this helps.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:07:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Boomholzer:
The TH350 model? Yea, I have one in my Monte Carlo.




TH = Turbo Hydromatic. I never knew the term to indicate a GM division and I do not know of any GM produced M16s.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:51:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/5/2002 12:03:05 PM EDT by 5subslr5]
Sarge_102,

The Hydramatic Division of General Motors did build the M-16 around 1968 although actual deliveries may not have been until 1969.
(The price charged to the government was a thought to be incredibly high $316.00/unit !)

The Army wanted a second source past Colts'.

I no longer remember for sure but I believe Harrington & Richardson also built some M16's.

Edited to add: No, I've not seen a GM rifle but thousands were certainly produced.

I believe "hydra" should be "hydro" but my notes are from The Black Rifle and hydra is the spelling in that book.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:14:10 AM EDT
there is one of these on display at the FT Hood 1st Cavalry museum. I have a pic that I can post later....
CB
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:04:28 AM EDT
well I have the heavy duty assualt model it is a TH-400 but it is full automatic!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:10:25 AM EDT
In Army Basic in 1981 I was issued a Harrington & Richardson M16A1. Out of the unit I think there where few true Colts.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:08:54 PM EDT
I've seen the Hydra-Matic M16A1, about 1978 or 79, ROTC in Florida. I think they were National Guard rifles, and they were beaten to hell.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:04:47 PM EDT
I work with a Class III dealer, and we actually have one of the GM Hydra-Matic M16's. Its in very good condition, so let me know if you would like to see a pic of the gun.
jsaylor2@hotmail.com
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:11:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jason280:
I work with a Class III dealer, and we actually have one of the GM Hydra-Matic M16's. Its in very good condition, so let me know if you would like to see a pic of the gun.
jsaylor2@hotmail.com




Of course we would like to see these!!! PLEASE post some pictures of these guns!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:22:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
well I have the heavy duty assualt model it is a TH-400 but it is full automatic!



You lucky devil! All I have is a lever action Muncie M21.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:37:26 PM EDT
My race car has the 2 selector type. Powerglide! Built by JW racing transmissions in Florida. Mounted behind my 472 aluminum headed big block Ford with a JW Ultra-bell SFI bellhousing. Best run has been an 10.69 at Great-Lakes dragway in Union Grove, Wisconsin. It is not full auto, full manual valve body, no class 3 paperwork to fill out and no tax stamp, yet! Car is a 79 Mercury Capri, full interior with an 8 pt. cage, still street legal, sort of!
Mothers grasp their children when they see this car coming down the street, the tree huggers are appalled at the 5 mpg 100 octane fuel consumption! I love it! By the way, car is all black, tinted windows, all trim blacked out, tinted headlamp and taillight covers. Black cars and black rifles!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:51:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NHRAMark:
My race car has the 2 selector type. Powerglide! Built by JW racing transmissions in Florida. Mounted behind my 472 aluminum headed big block Ford with a JW Ultra-bell SFI bellhousing. Best run has been an 10.69 at Great-Lakes dragway in Union Grove, Wisconsin. It is not full auto, full manual valve body, no class 3 paperwork to fill out and no tax stamp, yet! Car is a 79 Mercury Capri, full interior with an 8 pt. cage, still street legal, sort of!
Mothers grasp their children when they see this car coming down the street, the tree huggers are appalled at the 5 mpg 100 octane fuel consumption! I love it! By the way, car is all black, tinted windows, all trim blacked out, tinted headlamp and taillight covers. Black cars and black rifles!



You get around to it put up a pic of your car. I'd like to see it.

Link Posted: 4/5/2002 4:23:07 PM EDT
I was issued one (in VERY used condition) in the Marines in 1987 at Cherry Point, NC
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 4:32:08 PM EDT
I saw one (demilled) hanging at the end of a rack display in the Marine Corps Recruit Depot Museum at Parris Island, SC, round about '89. A sad day indeed for a Chevy guy.

Semper Fi
Dave
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 3:33:04 PM EDT
Of the 4 M16's I was issued when I was in 3 were GM's.So yea I've seen them.If they didn't sell for so much I would love to have one. Hay Jason280 how much do you want for that one you got?
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 3:42:54 PM EDT
I had a Hydra-Matic in Infantry School in 1988. Kind of like being issued a Singer Colt...lol.

QS
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 3:44:21 PM EDT
I believe Dennis Todd has one for sale.

He is a PA based SOT.

E-mail: dtoddmg@aol.com
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 4:14:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2002 4:16:56 PM EDT by Happyshooter]
Yes, several. I was working in the armory trying to get 2111 in the Corps OJT. I saw a few Hydras in rifles, and over half our units 50s were AC Spark Plug or Daisy Air Rifle in Plymouth (Daisy used the name of a machine company to make 50s) It was funny because my dad was a boy on a farm just south of town then and they used the land which is now the freeway and ford sheldon road plant to test fire the guns.

Anyway, thinking back I saw about 10 when I was in (87-92). I never saw any while in the guard, even when called up in 95, so maybe the army didn't keep any.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 8:32:34 PM EDT
If I am not mistaken, I believe that International Harvester made some M1 Garands. I have always wanted one of those. I can now add a M16 manufatured by GM to the list.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 8:42:15 PM EDT
I was issued a Hydramatic M16 while stationed at Ft. Stewart in 1988-90 with D 3/7 Inf. I was told the GM made lowers were of insufficient hardness and that was why they lost the contract, not high price. The upper wobbled on it like J-Lo's butt.
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 5:53:04 AM EDT
I was issued a Hydramatic M16A1 in basic, and another in a unit. I liked them personally. It always seemed the H&R's were more worn out, i.e. more used. I had one H&R and it worked OK though. All the other A1's I was issued were Colts, one XM16E1 with little to no finnish that still ran fine and two production A1's. Never had an A2 as I was carrying a M9 by then. The only A2's we had were FNs and they were brand new.

All the older A1's showed alot of slop between the upper and lower regardless of manufacture. It's just the way they are when they wear. They all still shot fine though.

Ross
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