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Posted: 3/28/2002 8:33:18 PM EDT

Just curious what type/brand of bullets you guys use for CC, nightstand gun, and/or your defense shotgun.Also, if you use different types in the same mag, what order are they in ?

Thanks 4 info

007
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 8:34:51 PM EDT
.40 Winchester "Black Talons" (I forget the name on the box}
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 9:00:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
.40 Winchester "Black Talons" (I forget the name on the box}



Those would be Winchester Ranger SXT's now.


What I carry depends:

USP45: .45 Super Tactical from Texas Ammunition. It's a 230gr JHP-XTP

Glock 33: 125gr Gold Dot

USPc .40: Mixture of 155gr and 165gr Fed. Hydrashok

USPc 9mm: 124gr +P+ Fed. Hydrashok

Keltec P32: 60gr Gold Dot

870: Mixture of Brennekke slugs and 00 buck

Bushy: SA 55gr
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 9:05:16 PM EDT
230gr federal hydrashok in both the .45's.
Link Posted: 3/28/2002 9:17:20 PM EDT
sig239 9mm & taurus85 38sp both have 125 gr cor-bon (the sig alternates between hp and 124 gr federal fmj)
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 12:08:35 AM EDT
9mm 124 gr Speer Gold Dot...

...when I can't get my hands on any razor tipped, cycnide filled, armor piercing, incendiary, cop killer rounds......

Tate


Link Posted: 3/29/2002 2:21:57 AM EDT
1911- w/ 3 wilson Mags or Winchester .45 SXT (Cause there purdy), And 10 cheap mags w/ FMJ

AR- 360rnds of Winchester Q3131A loaded and another 140 on strippers.

R35
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:04:07 AM EDT
Kimber Custom Eclipse or Colt Officers ACP with 230 gr. FMJ. Because FMJ is more reliable than HPs. 45 because it doesn't have to expand to make a big permanent cavity. 230 grain to ensure penetration to vitals. And just as important, less expensive so I can practice more with what I carry. This results in increased safety, speed and shot placement.

/r,

Deucer01
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:13:52 AM EDT
Nightstand gun: Sig 299/.357SIG with MagSafe ammo. It clocked out at 2200 feet per second.

I live in an apartment building so no FMJ or 12ga. slugs due to the paper thin walls here.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:14:27 AM EDT
Whoops make that a SIG 229, not 299...my fault
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:18:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:29:15 AM EDT
.380 - Federal Hydrashok
9mm - Cor-Bon JHP 115 gr/1350 fps
.357 Mag - Remington 125 grain JHP
.44 Mag - Cor-Bon JHP 165 gr./1300 fps
.45 Colt - Cor-Bon JHP 200 gr./1100 fps
.223 - Black Hills 55 gr JSP
.308 - Black HIlls 168 gr. Match HP
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:46:57 AM EDT
9mm 147 grn. Hydra-Shok or Cor-Bon 125 grn.
.45 165 grn. Hydra-Shok or Cor-Bon 230 grn.
GIB
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 6:46:08 AM EDT
I think the RBCD stuff is worth a look, it comes highly recommended by some TX CHL instructors. Low risk of over-penetration.

www.rbcd.net/
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 9:27:52 AM EDT
For the Ruger P94 .$0 S&W 180 hydra's
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 10:54:12 AM EDT
Let's see...

USP 45C: Federal Hydra-Shok (230 gr)
or
Speer Gold Dot (185gr)

Depends on my mood for which one, really. Both seem to shoot the same for me, as I can hit point of aim with either load.

Always in "round chambered, hammer down, safety off" mode - I guess traditional DA carry.

Always with at least one backup mag.

Always in a holster.


Link Posted: 3/29/2002 12:03:36 PM EDT
Winchester 180's, but I will switch back to 165's as they shoot 4" high at 25 yrds where as it is point of aim for 165's. I use a Walther P99.

mayday, I would be as concerned about overpenetraition from that 357 Sig as I would a slug. Any of these rounds are going to go through walls.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 12:09:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2002 12:11:38 PM EDT by Maddog50]

Originally Posted By Powergen:
I think the RBCD stuff is worth a look, it comes highly recommended by some TX CHL instructors. Low risk of over-penetration.

www.rbcd.net/



I'm still not sure what to think of this ammo. From what I gather, it sounds like the "Nosler Partition" of self-defense ammo. I think their bullets are of "duplex" construction, with a chunk that blows up, and another chunk that penetrates.

FWIW:

Glock 32: Speer Gold Dots
Kel-tec P-32: Cor-Bon
Colt M4-gery: IMI SS109
Taurus Titanium: Winchester .38SP 110gr +P+
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 12:14:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hube1236:
Winchester 180's, but I will switch back to 165's as they shoot 4" high at 25 yrds where as it is point of aim for 165's. I use a Walther P99.

mayday, I would be as concerned about overpenetraition from that 357 Sig as I would a slug. Any of these rounds are going to go through walls.



He's using a pre-fragmented round from MagSafe, designed for minimal penetration.

My only complaint about such a round would be that it may not penetrate sufficiently to stop an aggressor.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 1:21:38 PM EDT
.45 Remington Golden Saber 230 gr.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 1:31:41 PM EDT
In .40 I've got 180gr Triton Quick-Shoks or 180gr Federal Hydra-shocks. Till right now I never noticed I seem to have a penchant for 'Shock' ammo.

00 buck in the scattergun, with slugs in reserve. I own a house with no kids, so I'll shoot through walls if I have to.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 1:55:26 PM EDT
In the .45acp 230gr Federal Hydrashok. In the NAA Guardian 380 Federal Hydrashoks. Watch-Six
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 2:42:50 PM EDT
In .45 ACP, Federal 230gr Hydrashock.
In .357 mag, Federal 158gr Hydrashock.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 3:12:26 PM EDT
Hydra-Shoks!
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 3:39:32 PM EDT
hydra-shok. .45, .38. 12ga 00 buck.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 3:40:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2002 3:41:26 PM EDT by ronin47]
Sidearm - HK USP40 w/ 155gr Federal Hydra-Shoks or 155gr ProLoad JHP

Nightstand (sort of) - Bushmaster XM15 E2S w/ Hornady 62gr TAP

Shotgun - Mossberg 590 - Beanbag in the chamber, Federal Tactical 00 Buck in the tube, Slugs in the SideSaddle
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 3:58:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Powergen:
I think the RBCD stuff is worth a look, it comes highly recommended by some TX CHL instructors. Low risk of over-penetration.

www.rbcd.net/




Have you ever noticed that theses guys use clay to simulate how their bullet reacts to flesh? Why don't they use gel like everybody else? I have a feeling that these rounds won't do nearly as well as a hollowpoint will, and I wouldn't pay the $20 or so they ask for 10 rounds.

First of all, I test all my defensive ammo before I carry it. Testing 200 rounds of those things would make me go broke.

Second of all, I don't think I'll be needing to kill Gumby anytime soon.
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 4:56:15 PM EDT
Kimber .45 - 230 gr HydraShok
Taurus .38 - 125 gr Cor-Bon +P JHP
Bushmaster Carbine - 55 gr Federal LC XM193 FMJ
Mossberg Cruiser - Winchester 000 Buck

...and a crossbow (will defeat body armor).

Cheers,

Steve
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 5:18:48 PM EDT
230gr Federal Hydrashok in my Full size .45 HK
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 5:23:21 PM EDT
.40 S& W (Sig P229) its Federal EFMJ rounds....
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 6:00:51 PM EDT
In .40, which is most of my guns, I use Georgia Arms Shear Power 165 gr. They lable it as "+p" but that's just hype. There's no such thing per SAAMI, and it's within SAAMI specs. I can't say/don't know about their "+p+". Anyway, they use a Gold Dot bullet, put out a quality product, and you can afford to practice with your carry ammo. I used to be a 155 gr man, but the 165 does better after barriers. Bigger cavity, less likely to clog.


www.georgia-arms.com
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 10:54:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ronin47:
Shotgun - Mossberg 590 - Beanbag in the chamber, Federal Tactical 00 Buck in the tube, Slugs in the SideSaddle



Great idea! I never considered having a beanbag as my first round... That would do nothing but help your case if you ever had to use the shotgun defensively. Where'd you get the ammo, and how much did it cost?
Link Posted: 3/29/2002 11:25:39 PM EDT
45ACP and 9MM. Black Talon. Because I have them.
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 12:06:54 AM EDT
45 acp--Corbon with Speer flying ashtray
--Dependent on situation, Glazer for first/and or second rounds.

9mm--115 +P+ Win. LE

12 or 20 ga.--no. 6
Link Posted: 3/30/2002 4:10:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunbert:
That would do nothing but help your case if you ever had to use the shotgun defensively.



Before you worry about a case, you need to survive. Do you think "wasting" your first round will help you survive in a situation that is dire enough for you to shoot in the first place?
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 7:23:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maddog50:

Originally Posted By Gunbert:
That would do nothing but help your case if you ever had to use the shotgun defensively.



Before you worry about a case, you need to survive. Do you think "wasting" your first round will help you survive in a situation that is dire enough for you to shoot in the first place?



It's a good question that I've wrestled with for a while. I like to think I've come up with a good compromise solution. Yes, I am concerned about the potential legal aftermath. If my first shot is recognized as a less than lethal round, it's harder for an attorney to paint me as a blood thirsty killer, ad nauseum.

Of course, I recognize I'm risking a reduction in tactical effectiveness. How much? Well, how fast can I put rounds through a shotgun when I need to? I've practiced a healthy amount with this (as I believe all of us should) and I'm reasonably comfortable with my abilities. At the very least, a bean bag round will slow my target down giving me a little extra time to determine whether a follow up shot is necessary.

If it becomes a SHTF situation and I'm worried about roving bands of marauders, I'll ditch the beanbag, but for now...
Link Posted: 4/1/2002 7:31:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunbert:

Originally Posted By ronin47:
Shotgun - Mossberg 590 - Beanbag in the chamber, Federal Tactical 00 Buck in the tube, Slugs in the SideSaddle



Great idea! I never considered having a beanbag as my first round... That would do nothing but help your case if you ever had to use the shotgun defensively. Where'd you get the ammo, and how much did it cost?



As I said above, it's a compromise. YMMV. I actually got the ammo from a friend who is in law enforcement so I can't say how much it cost him. I've seen things like it in various catalogs (www.firequest.com, for example) and it's pretty damn expensive -- along the lines of $30 for a sleeve of 5 rounds.

The thing is, after I initally tested several rounds through the Mossberg, I haven't fired any more so it's not a major ongoing cost.
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 9:25:10 AM EDT
winchester Black talons in .45 ACP
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 3:09:15 PM EDT
sig p220: 45 acp hydra-shok 230gr.
sig p232: 380 hydra-shok 90gr.
sig p226: 9mm con-bon jhp +p 115gr.
sniper
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 3:16:13 PM EDT
1911 ACP- 230 Golddots the flying ashtray.

Clinth
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 3:23:10 PM EDT
9mm-147gr. Black Talons (not SXT)

45ACP-230gr. HydraShoks
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 3:46:10 PM EDT
... For reasons pertaining to the legal ramifications of ever deploying such in an aggressive act I carry exactly what my local PD does.

Corbon +P+
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 4:26:40 PM EDT
HydraShoks
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 4:31:55 PM EDT
Hydrashoks--
230 gr in the 45s.
On the odd times that I have a nine I use the 124 gr.
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 4:38:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/7/2002 4:40:44 PM EDT by Supershooter]
45ACP 230gr, Hydra-Shoks
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 4:42:56 PM EDT
.45 acp 230gr Speer Gold Dot JHP

Link Posted: 4/7/2002 6:09:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/7/2002 6:10:59 PM EDT by Juggernaut]
Link Posted: 4/7/2002 6:13:06 PM EDT
In my 9mm's I use Federal 9BPLE +P+ 115 grain JHP and in my .45acp's its Federal 230 grain Hydrashocks.

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