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Posted: 3/14/2002 12:52:35 PM EDT
Imagine you where the guy who gets to decide what your own military uses as standard assault rifle and side arm, what would you choose? Remember, standard rifle and pistol caliber for your military is up to you to decide, you can even take an existing firearm and have it redesigned for the needs of your country.

Link Posted: 3/14/2002 2:14:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 2:27:28 PM EDT
Hmmm, interesting topic. Well, since I wouldn't have to worry about cost considerations I would most likely go with an M1A Springfield for a rifle. Maybe the shorter "bush" version only with ports in the top of the barrel to reduce some of the recoil and muzzle climb. Keep it semi-auto also so the soldiers would actually take careful aim. For a pistol, I will go with the Sig P220 because I love the .45 caliber. I would choose the Sig P226 but a 9mm with FMJ's isn't my favorite combo for stopping power. I must say that with the exception of the Beretta pistols, I like what our military is currently using. But I really like the .308 and Garand action even more.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 2:29:38 PM EDT
Damn, Noname already got my first choice.

Standard Assault Rifle: FN manufactured M16-A3/M-203
Standard Side Arm: Colt?? 1911/MEU(SOC)

A3 becuase there are times when full auto is necessary and 3-round burst just aint enough.

Can't argue with two battle-proven designs.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 2:32:43 PM EDT
I'd go with a .308 caliber FAL type rifle for a long arm:



and a .45 caliber Glock 21 for a side arm:



Link Posted: 3/14/2002 2:38:46 PM EDT
Hm ok I'm probably going against the grain but I would do some tweaking to the AK74, make it a bit more Galilish That would be the standard issue rifle, each squad would have a designated marksmen with a tweaked SVD in .308, standard issue sidearm hm can I givem a P90? :) ok I like my walther P99 in .40 s&w only sidearm I have personally so I'll go with that.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 2:44:38 PM EDT
Assuming that I also get to ensure that they all know how to use them correctly:

rifle = C7A1 with a non-folding rear sight and either the CompM or the EOTech for most people and a magnifying optic like the ACOG or the Elcan for designated marksmen. I prefer the ACOG because it allows room for a flip-up sight to be attached behind/under the scope.

handgun, nobody makes the handgun I'd recommend. Basically a Glock 21 but with trigger and manual safety that are the same quality and style as those on the 1911.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 4:55:05 PM EDT
Lets see... AR-10 style rifle backed up by a... MP-5 in 10MM, and a Glock 20 with a slimmed out grip, better trigger (5 pound aluminum) and a 6 inch barrel (with a supported chamber) and slide. With a dual recoil spring and that long barrel, you'd have a lot less recoil than a standard Glock 20.

I think the military should leave the foolishness of FMJ bullets behind. That way a 9MM would be a good gun, and their 14.5 inch barrels would be more practical.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 5:49:55 PM EDT
The handgun would definitely be an 1911 with the new good stuff like a beavertail grip saftey, like a Kimber or Springfield loaded.

The military handgun is a last ditch defensive weapon, I'd want My guys to have one that hits with a resounding THUD !

How about the M16A3, with 1 man per squad armed with a 7.62NATO enhanced marksman rifle.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 6:01:39 PM EDT
Call me oldschool but I like the Garand. But since the round capacity is a little low I'll go with the M14. Sidearm....Gotta be a 1911 a springfield or a kimber. Yea that'll work.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 6:59:56 PM EDT
M-14 as a rifle,

and a quality handgun. Probably 1911. That is just me.


I would have to say that the M-4 would be nice for the really close in work, but that would introduce another caliber. SO maybe a .45 caliber sub-gun.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 7:00:45 PM EDT
The Legion of TheMao would have new Sig 550 assault rifles in .223 due to their dependability in the field. I'm also partial to the Sako 96 and Galil ARM. I think that .308 for a std. issue rifle is too heavy for a modern army, especially when a lot of house to house type fighting is involved. However, I'm against a carbine strictly because of the lost of velocity with 16" barrels. Wounding isn't as good (if any) at 200-300 yards. I'd want some sort of AK variant though, just due to the reliability (yes, the Sig uses an AK gas operating system).

For a handgun, I recognize that I can't issue custom 1911s to everyone. I would go for the Glock 17 9 mm, just because 9 mm ammo is more plentiful (also 147 grain penetrates just as well as .45 or .40) and the Glock is fairly idiot proof when it comes to operation and durabilitiy in the field. The HK USP would also be a contender, and themao would have to torture both of them to see which would win. I can't think of anything else.

themao
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 7:34:03 PM EDT
For the rifle, I'd pick two: The rifleman would get an M16 type rifle (M4, M16, whatever...configurations would vary by intended use) with the 4 position fire selector that was stolen and marketed by DPMS, but it would not be made by DPMS. I'd select Colt or Bushmaster to make them. Probably Bushmaster.

The SAW would be a 3 barrelled version of the XM-214 minigun in 5.56 nato, with a reduced rate of fire and designed to be light enough, with low enough recoil, that it can be handled by the squad's Heavy Weapons Guy without difficulty.

Pistols: Stick with the best, screw the rest. A Colt-contracted M1911A2, which would be the designated version of the M1911A1 with a double stack magazine like the Para Ordnance. It would be double action, but not double action only, and it would be required to maintain the linear trigger of a 1911, and not the suck-ass pivoting trigger of the Para LDA design.


But I'd really like to issue the Zorg Industries ZF-1 if I could procure them in adequate quantities.



CJ
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 7:37:28 PM EDT
Rifle: I second the Sig 550 series; perhaps the worlds' best assault rifle.

Pistol: Heckler & Koch P7M13

Link Posted: 3/14/2002 7:44:15 PM EDT
Rifle: Bushmaster M4 .223, maybe one of those Z-M rifles if they are as cool as they sound
Pistol: HK USP9
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 7:50:39 PM EDT
M-14
H&K Mk23
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 8:17:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 8:21:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sf46:
I'd go with a .308 caliber FAL type rifle for a long arm:



and a .45 caliber Glock 21 for a side arm:






We must have been seperated at birth, those were my choices! I like the way you think!
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 8:27:05 PM EDT
Or how about these?



Link Posted: 3/14/2002 8:34:49 PM EDT
I would choose the M16/M4 in 5.56. the .308 is too big and heavy for standard use. But I would give the DM an AR-10 type in .308.

For the sidearm I would choose the Glock 22. The .40 S&W is a great round.
Link Posted: 3/14/2002 10:07:19 PM EDT
Rifle: M1 Garand

Handgun: CZ-52

SMG: Spectre
Link Posted: 3/15/2002 2:39:17 AM EDT
Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 watt range.

R35
Link Posted: 3/15/2002 3:08:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2002 3:09:24 AM EDT by USP40C]

Originally Posted By TylerDurden:
Rifle: SIG 550 (Until the HK G36 becomes proven).

Pistol: HK USP in 9mm.


Tyler



My thoughts exactly. I would probably opt for the .45 though.
Link Posted: 3/15/2002 5:01:27 AM EDT
For rifle:



For Pistol:

Link Posted: 3/15/2002 5:24:46 AM EDT
Umm, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but it seems the M-16/Beretta combo is working just fine. Plus one designated sniper per squad using something in 308, probably a bolt gun for simplicity sake and ruggedness. Sorry, but the M-14 has just never impressed me. Nor the 1911.

Link Posted: 3/15/2002 5:35:51 AM EDT
i'd go with a widebody hicap 1911 and a lightened m14, maybe chambered in some intermediate caliber like .270.
Link Posted: 3/15/2002 6:21:17 AM EDT
Jeez, I once knew a dude in college who would hang out in lecture and do nothing but design his own ultimate rifle to arm his own fictional regime in Singapore . He designed a bullpup AK that incorporated chamber and barrel inserts so he could fire 5.56, 5.45 and 7.62x39 from the same weapon. Said the inserts would 'fit in the stock' and were there to let soldiers fire captured ammo ...

If I ruled Wisconsin our standard infantry rifle would be the Robinson M96 rifle. The pistol would be the CZ85.
Link Posted: 3/15/2002 6:43:20 AM EDT
Nothing original here.
M16A3/M203 as standard infantry rifle
M4/M203 for operators and aviators
M14 scout for designated marksman
HK USP .45 standard sidearm

The operators equipped with the M4 would have a round designed to perform reliably from CQB to 200 meters. Infantry with M16A3 would use SS109 as standard issue. All M4 carbines would be issued with a SOPMOD type kit. A magnifying optic would be generally available to infantry.

Link Posted: 3/15/2002 9:11:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/15/2002 9:16:52 AM EDT
Sorry Sulaco, look at my post on page 1, on the bottom, the schematic is far more badass than the Aliens gun! (Not to mention, its real!)
Link Posted: 3/15/2002 9:29:32 AM EDT
FAL in .260 Remington
HK P7M10, .357 Sig, with 5" polygonal barrel


If I HAD to have a .223, one of the Galil models, maybe.
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