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Posted: 1/13/2020 1:09:19 AM EDT
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We're pretty stoked about em! As I've me mentioned, we've had them for awhile. We'll get some video soon as time allows as we have several Shot surprises coming up. What I can say about the new DTNVS is what you see in the pic is a very compact goggle. 2.9" x 4.1" x 4.3". Weight of our unit (it might have shaved some weight since that time) is around 17.5oz without a battery. Has auto off articulation arms as well as flip up off. More to come... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/DTNVS_Profile-1230770.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Actually the new lightweight DTNVS.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/DTNVS-1230367.jpg Have to wait for SHOT or can you give details here as well? What I can say about the new DTNVS is what you see in the pic is a very compact goggle. 2.9" x 4.1" x 4.3". Weight of our unit (it might have shaved some weight since that time) is around 17.5oz without a battery. Has auto off articulation arms as well as flip up off. More to come... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/DTNVS_Profile-1230770.jpg |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 6:52:53 AM EDT
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I’m just trying to figure out what on earth it actually offers over a DTNVG besides an ounce and a half of weight savings? I don’t see a gain control knob. What gives?
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Posted: 1/13/2020 9:16:56 AM EDT
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The pivoting hinge points may look fragile but I can assure you they’re going to be a lot tougher than something like a PVS-31, the boys at AIB know a thing or two about designing articulating goggles.
Besides the weight savings and new look, one upgrade that the DTNVS has over the DTNVG and other goggle systems out there is a leap forward in modularity and maintenance. From a builder/assembler stand point the DTNVS will come with long term follow on support in mind. and while the DTNVG is not difficult to build, in-depth maintenance can be a bit of a problem. With the DTNVS.....you do not have to worry about that. |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 1:08:49 PM EDT
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The pivoting hinge points may look fragile but I can assure you they’re going to be a lot tougher than something like a PVS-31, the boys at AIB know a thing or two about designing articulating goggles. Besides the weight savings and new look, one upgrade that the DTNVS has over the DTNVG and other goggle systems out there is a leap forward in modularity and maintenance. From a builder/assembler stand point the DTNVS will come with long term follow on support in mind. and while the DTNVG is not difficult to build, in-depth maintenance can be a bit of a problem. With the DTNVS.....you do not have to worry about that. lol No Lemo port, DICC only for remote battery pack? |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 1:52:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they added attachment points as requested by @sbye lol No Lemo port, DICC only for remote battery pack? |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 2:13:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad to hear and I can unequivocally state, no other Class 1 pointer has ever had these on-board features we are about to show. It's been a long time coming and something I have envisioned since we launched the very first Class 1 with Laser Devices around 5-6 years ago. |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 2:32:18 PM EDT
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But is it going to be affordable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Glad to hear and I can unequivocally state, no other Class 1 pointer has ever had these on-board features we are about to show. It's been a long time coming and something I have envisioned since we launched the very first Class 1 with Laser Devices around 5-6 years ago. 
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Posted: 1/13/2020 2:38:51 PM EDT
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Pulsar will release a helmet-mounted Breach killer. Sam will finally let us all see the budget IR LAM his compatriots said would be released long, long ago. TNVC will announce that they have entered the 21st century and now offer FREE SHIPPING on 4-digit purchases. . . . . Hey, a boy can dream. 
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Posted: 1/13/2020 2:49:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM? |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 4:12:07 PM EDT
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Something inline with the ITAL, $300-$350. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM? 
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Posted: 1/13/2020 6:57:24 PM EDT
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Something inline with the ITAL, $300-$350. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM? I personally can’t wait. I have 2 MP5 clones that each need one of these. |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 8:11:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh...We got dat beat! |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 8:23:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FLIR OTS Div. not even gonna be there. I guess this update sounds shitty to me? |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 11:29:51 PM EDT
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Do you happen to know if this means nothing new will be released by them this year? I guess this update sounds shitty to me? |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 11:54:32 PM EDT
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Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you happen to know if this means nothing new will be released by them this year? I guess this update sounds shitty to me? |
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Posted: 1/13/2020 11:59:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good. Incidentally, the PTS233 is showing back ordered on FLIR website with expected due date of 1/1. |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 2:20:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good. |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 9:13:28 AM EDT
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I guess we'll know a little more information in another week?
https://n2b.goexposoftware.com/events/ss20/goExpo/exhibitor/viewExhibitorProfile.php?__id=1309 |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 9:38:52 AM EDT
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I guess we'll know a little more information in another week? https://n2b.goexposoftware.com/events/ss20/goExpo/exhibitor/viewExhibitorProfile.php?__id=1309 |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 9:54:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FLIR OTS isn't going to be at SHOT. That's all that seems to be certain right now. |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 12:27:25 PM EDT
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Oh...We got dat beat! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM? i assume a single IR laser. so, laser inline with bore or offset? also, assume its as nice quality as the ITAL/OTAL but lots better than the Lasermax UNI-IR? also assuming standard Crane plug? |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 2:27:10 PM EDT
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ok, color me intrigued. i assume a single IR laser. so, laser inline with bore or offset? also, assume its as nice quality as the ITAL/OTAL but lots better than the Lasermax UNI-IR? also assuming standard Crane plug? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM? i assume a single IR laser. so, laser inline with bore or offset? also, assume its as nice quality as the ITAL/OTAL but lots better than the Lasermax UNI-IR? also assuming standard Crane plug?
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Posted: 1/14/2020 3:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Details to be announced at Shot. |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 3:23:56 PM EDT
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Details to be announced at Shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM? i assume a single IR laser. so, laser inline with bore or offset? also, assume its as nice quality as the ITAL/OTAL but lots better than the Lasermax UNI-IR? also assuming standard Crane plug? |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 6:14:44 PM EDT
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~Augee |
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Posted: 1/14/2020 10:57:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Details to be announced at Shot. |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 8:34:44 AM EDT
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I'm going to put you on camera again by the way. Consider this your warning. 
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Posted: 1/15/2020 8:49:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Details to be announced at Shot. |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 9:09:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2020 9:39:22 AM EDT
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Booth 6502 downstairs where we always are.
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Posted: 1/15/2020 1:23:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No LEMO or IP stop adjustment? I’m not surprised no IP stops but I am surprised no LEMO. ACT IG post |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 2:28:57 PM EDT
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Maybe the Surefire XVL2 will finally come out this year. |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 3:58:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Per ACT’s IG today in the comments: No IP stops or LEMO. Lighter weight only. I’m not surprised no IP stops but I am surprised no LEMO. ACT IG post Thank you Will. |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 4:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So no actual reason for me to upgrade for 60 grams of weight savings. Thank you Will. Same reason I didn't spring for the UL upgrade when I had the BNVD-SG. I was tempted but it really wasn't worth the $$ IMO other than having the newest thing. But buying new from scratch I'd go for the new one (of anything). |
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Posted: 1/15/2020 8:48:17 PM EDT
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Any day now |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 12:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't. The maximum weight savings involves adding more expensive Ether optics in addition to the new housing. It'd be good when we find out the new total weight fully installed with -14 glass, which will be the most commonly sold. Same reason I didn't spring for the UL upgrade when I had the BNVD-SG. I was tempted but it really wasn't worth the $$ IMO other than having the newest thing. But buying new from scratch I'd go for the new one (of anything). |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 12:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They never said what year... 
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Posted: 1/16/2020 12:15:00 PM EDT
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this is the first time ive be genuinely excited for some of the stuff coming out at shot.
I wish there was a secret link so I could be the first pre-order for at least one item. 
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:33:57 PM EDT
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According to FLIR we just had a meeting with... For some odd reason the {"other thread was locked"} so others here might want to know as we head into Shot Show.
Going forward they will only have SCOUT, SCION, PVS, LSX/R and BREACH products available for purchase for consumers. They will not be LE or Mil restricted as some other rumors have surfaced. All their warranty support stays the same. Hope this helps with the info traffic. |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:58:09 PM EDT
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Vapor, just can't handle the disappoint. I would rather attend a large gun show or NRA show, where the things I touch, I will actually be able to purchase.
SEMA isn't as bad, as they are actually marketing things that are available in that industry. |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 6:24:21 PM EDT
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According to FLIR we just had a meeting with... For some odd reason the {"other thread was locked"} so others here might want to know as we head into Shot Show. Going forward they will only have SCOUT, SCION, PVS, LSX/R and BREACH products available for purchase for consumers. They will not be LE or Mil restricted as some other rumors have surfaced. All their warranty support stays the same. Hope this helps with the info traffic. Rather, I understood it as the scout, scion, breach, etc would still be available to civilians, while FLIR continues to provide their other TWS stuff exclusively to .mil, .gov customers. ie. other than those specific products, FLIR will restrict everything else to LE/MIL.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 8:49:31 PM EDT
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the other thread which isn't tech (?) Information was being shared. There was no trolling, no heated arguments, and no insults of others. Other thread was tech af and should be reopened. Bedtime edit: It's unlocked! 
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Posted: 1/17/2020 2:44:29 PM EDT
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Back on topic, glad to see the other FLIR thread re-opened.
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Posted: 1/17/2020 3:22:05 PM EDT
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Back on topic, glad to see the other FLIR thread re-opened. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/20200117_103800_resized-1237867.jpg |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 2:04:51 PM EDT
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bumpybump.
Anyone want to give further hints? |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 10:03:50 PM EDT
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Ok, why a MK3? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Back on topic, glad to see the other FLIR thread re-opened. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/20200117_103800_resized-1237867.jpg |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 12:39:55 PM EDT
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Let's see some info on the new RNVG Micro-16. Smaller and lighter than the regular RNVG using 16mm instead of 18mm tubes.
NVI posted it on their IG. |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 2:06:24 PM EDT
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Let's see some info on the new RNVG Micro-16. Smaller and lighter than the regular RNVG using 16mm instead of 18mm tubes. NVI posted it on their IG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Let's see some info on the new RNVG Micro-16. Smaller and lighter than the regular RNVG using 16mm instead of 18mm tubes. NVI posted it on their IG. 16mm tubes have been designed to meet the SWaP requirements of the modern armies: reduced Size, Weight and minimum Power consumption, with state-of-the-art performance. The weight of the 16mm Image Intensifier Tube has been reduced by 30 grams compared to standard ANVIS 18mm tube while its volume size has been reduced by 40%. 
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Posted: 1/20/2020 2:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only recent reference to 16mm tubes size/weight comparisons I found was this on the Night Goggles page - maybe one of those guys knows a little more about the smaller ones and what they put them in other than the MINI-Bs - https://www.nightgoggles.com/shop/night-vision/photonis-4g-echo-gen-2-image-intensifier-tube/ Here's that IG post you mentioned (just in case it disappears like the 'The Cord' stuff did last week...) https://i.imgur.com/6FHXsDU.png |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 4:01:56 PM EDT
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Any updates on the new affordable LAM?
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