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Posted: 4/10/2021 4:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine has been “Forwarded to carrier” for just over a month now. FML  Closing in on a month myself. Starting to wonder if I'll ever get the thing back from repair... |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 10:22:30 PM EDT
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Edited...VA-gunnut
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Posted: 4/11/2021 10:27:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Closing in on a month myself. Starting to wonder if I'll ever get the thing back from repair... Same here, I have two inbound. One is a new Gen 3 I ordered that I thought I would get to hold me over until my repaired one comes back. Both I guess will be arriving at nearly the same time some day. Goin on 9 months now from ordering my first getting it broken and shipping back. ?? I’m nearly at the point that when they both come in I’m selling both and getting a Mawl C1+. However, I still would like two to have on separate rifles. ?? |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 11:11:38 PM EDT
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Anyone have a perst on an ultimak rail? Thinking of setting up my m92 pap to use with nods and night shooting.
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Posted: 4/13/2021 6:39:38 PM EDT
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Just got my P4G+ Gen3 from IT, took a total of 13 days from placing order to delivery. Great customer service, would highly recommend.
Still waiting on my P3G from RT. Responds to email, but no movement or details since ordering (2 weeks). In fairness, I knew going in that it was pre-order. Maybe I’m blind, but P4G+ laser wasn’t as impressive as some have made it to be, sure, it’s bright, but not concert laser bright. Did notice a lot of splash on edges. I’m gonna design a small cover for it that can be 3D printed and only exposes the openings for the laser to reduce the splashing. Stay tuned.. |
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Posted: 4/13/2021 7:06:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just got my P4G+ Gen3 from IT, took a total of 13 days from placing order to delivery. Great customer service, would highly recommend. Still waiting on my P3G from RT. Responds to email, but no movement or details since ordering (2 weeks). In fairness, I knew going in that it was pre-order. Maybe I’m blind, but P4G+ laser wasn’t as impressive as some have made it to be, sure, it’s bright, but not concert laser bright. Did notice a lot of splash on edges. I’m gonna design a small cover for it that can be 3D printed and only exposes the openings for the laser to reduce the splashing. Stay tuned.. Not bad! Mine shipped two days ago from IT. Interested to see how long it takes. I ordered with regular shipping this time but it looks like they used EMS. |
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Posted: 4/13/2021 10:00:25 PM EDT
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I pissed around and made some electrical tape “stickers“ to cut down on the splash. So, if you do get something made up that would be great. However, in my basement gunsmithing experience I noticed that the lens glass is so dang thick that even just covering one side of the lens you still get a ton of splash. I didn’t really get The results I wanted until I put a “sticker“ on the rear of the glass and the front of the glass and that seem to do the trick
ETA. Should have said that you can get rid of most of the splash just like covering one side but you have to make the hole a good bit smaller than the diode which cuts down on beam thickness (makes it look dimmer), Which at least for the IR, isn’t really a bad thing. I ended up removing that and doing the double sided deal so I could seemingly get “Full power” back |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 12:36:58 AM EDT
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Perst 2 Gen 2 is going to be announced in the next two weeks.
I have a Perst 2 on order with Russian Thunder since February and I emailed to ask if I'll be getting the Perst 2 Gen 2 when its available. Confirmed by Zenitco in the comments section. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z55jSYlEau0 |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:15:33 AM EDT
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PERST Generation Envy. I need a new PERST like I need a hole in my head - I keep repeating "yours works fine, yours works fine"
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Posted: 4/14/2021 9:52:40 AM EDT
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Can someone confirm what the cheapest Perst is that has a high-power IR LAM? 2IKS+?
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Posted: 4/14/2021 10:42:21 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can someone confirm what the cheapest Perst is that has a high-power IR LAM? 2IKS+? That's a Klesh and mine has a full power laser. Too bright for pistol work. I'm going to make an ND filter for mine. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 10:59:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a Klesh and mine has a full power laser. Too bright for pistol work. I'm going to make an ND filter for mine. Sorry, I don’t even know what I don’t know. Is the Klesh line for pistols in the Perst line for rifles? I really just want to know the cheapest full power IR laser that will work on my rifle, even if it doesn’t have an illuminator and a tape switch. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 11:21:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PERST Generation Envy. I need a new PERST like I need a hole in my head - I keep repeating "yours works fine, yours works fine" As long as shipping times from Russia are long, you can sell Persts for a premium. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 11:23:44 AM EDT
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Perst 3 gen 3 breakdown video from Zenitco
https://youtu.be/g1LaC0VeVg0 |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 11:42:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: That's a Klesh and mine has a full power laser. Too bright for pistol work. I'm going to make an ND filter for mine. Quoted: Sorry, I don’t even know what I don’t know. Is the Klesh line for pistols in the Perst line for rifles? I really just want to know the cheapest full power IR laser that will work on my rifle, even if it doesn’t have an illuminator and a tape switch. I use a klesh-2 on a rifle. On low setting, even outside it's plenty bright. With it turned up, it's a light saber. When I took it hog hunting last summer, it was blooming bad enough on pigs that it'd light the whole pig up. Lol. It was ok on low though. The klesh-2 was a good value, which is why I got it, but I'm not sure if "full power" is really all that necessary from a strictly functional standpoint. The only other guys I've been shooting at night with were using "civilian" lasers and were doing just fine. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 12:07:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, I don’t even know what I don’t know. Is the Klesh line for pistols in the Perst line for rifles? I really just want to know the cheapest full power IR laser that will work on my rifle, even if it doesn’t have an illuminator and a tape switch. The reason you get Full Power - is for the Illuminator. The cheapest PERST with built in a Illuminator is the 3. FP IR Lasers are not needed - most of us always run the IR Laser at/near minimum and wish it went lower. FP Visible Lasers are niche/edge case use during daylight - not a common need. So - if you are wanting FP onboard IR Illumination, the PERST 3 is the cheapest. If for some reason you want FP Designators - Perst 4 Green + (all the IR is generally the same power across the models). I know nothing about the newer M and P models of the 4 though. I think Ivan Tactical lists the specs of each model. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 12:16:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perst 3 gen 3 breakdown video from Zenitco https://youtu.be/g1LaC0VeVg0  Perst-3 gen.3.0: what was changed, unpacking, modes, switches |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 12:41:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So - if you are wanting FP onboard IR Illumination, the PERST 3 is the cheapest. If for some reason you want FP Designators - Perst 4 Green + (all the IR is generally the same power across the models). I know nothing about the newer M and P models of the 4 though. I think Ivan Tactical lists the specs of each model. I appreciate your thoughts. I just want an IR laser. And I want it full power. I want the cheapest one that will fit on a rifle. What do I buy. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 12:56:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate your thoughts. I just want an IR laser. And I want it full power. I want the cheapest one that will fit on a rifle. What do I buy. Klesh-2. I think it was made for submachine guns, but it's shaped a lot like a pistol light/laser.  Attached FileI stuck mine on a 45° offset mount on the 12:00 rail and put the tape switch at the 3:00 position. It's crowded on the 7" rail. I want to swap it out for a 15". |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 1:49:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Klesh-2. ZenitCo gen.3 2IKS+Laser Klesh Laser power – 18 mW (same module as on Perst-4 units) $355 Is that it? All the comparison charts and manual links on IvanTactical's website are broken. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 2:12:47 PM EDT
[#21]
I finally got to play with my perst last night, holy smokes this thing is bright. Don't know when I'll get to do some night shooting but hopefully soon.
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Posted: 4/14/2021 2:32:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I finally got to play with my perst last night, holy smokes this thing is bright. Don't know when I'll get to do some night shooting but hopefully soon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361826/20210414_111638_jpg-1904593.JPG Not to get off topic but that SBR is sick. Love the geissele rail chop. Can’t wait to put my incoming perst 3 on my FSP SBR also. Your picture helped me to know the illuminator will clear the front sight |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 2:37:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to get off topic but that SBR is sick. Love the geissele rail chop. Can’t wait to put my incoming perst 3 on my FSP SBR also. Your picture helped me to know the illuminator will clear the front sight Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I finally got to play with my perst last night, holy smokes this thing is bright. Don't know when I'll get to do some night shooting but hopefully soon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361826/20210414_111638_jpg-1904593.JPG Not to get off topic but that SBR is sick. Love the geissele rail chop. Can’t wait to put my incoming perst 3 on my FSP SBR also. Your picture helped me to know the illuminator will clear the front sight  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 2:39:18 PM EDT
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My bad I thought that was a Perst 3
 Thanks again for the pics |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 9:57:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My bad I thought that was a Perst 3 Thanks again for the pics The P3 Illuminator will clear a FSP, also clears on my buddy's Colt 10.5 mono upper with the flip up front. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 10:07:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ZenitCo gen.3 2IKS+Laser Klesh Laser power – 18 mW (same module as on Perst-4 units) $355 Is that it? All the comparison charts and manual links on IvanTactical's website are broken. Looks right. I got lucky and found it sold by Ivan tactical on Amazon |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 11:11:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The P3 Illuminator will clear a FSP, also clears on my buddy's Colt 10.5 mono upper with the flip up front. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My bad I thought that was a Perst 3 Thanks again for the pics The P3 Illuminator will clear a FSP, also clears on my buddy's Colt 10.5 mono upper with the flip up front. Thanks for that info |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 10:30:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks right. I got lucky and found it sold by Ivan tactical on Amazon For mid $300s I'd just jump up to the P4. Better controls and adjustments. The Klesh adjustments are very rudimentary and you have nothing to gauge how much you're moving it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 1:56:25 PM EDT
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As promised, I am working on a cover you can insert between the front part of the glass and the bezel to address the blooming issue. I think this would be best printed in TPU as it is flexible and allows you to insert it without having to remove the bezel. The trick will be getting the holes aligned properly since it is really hard to measure, so a lot of trial and error prints, luckily it's not a lot of material, it's a very quick print, but I don't have a 3d printer yet, so I will be looking to get one in the coming days. I'll keep you guys posted..
In case you're wondering, yes, I am accounting for the 8 degree slant in the front. 
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Posted: 4/15/2021 2:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For mid $300s I'd just jump up to the P4. Better controls and adjustments. The Klesh adjustments are very rudimentary and you have nothing to gauge how much you're moving it. This one? ZenitCo Perst-4P gen.3 universal dual visible/IR tactical laser designator When they say "User need to install dedicated back part" do they mean the tape switch is required and the unit cannot be operated without it? |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 2:36:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This one? ZenitCo Perst-4P gen.3 universal dual visible/IR tactical laser designator When they say "User need to install dedicated back part" do they mean the tape switch is required and the unit cannot be operated without it? https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-perst-4-gen-2-dual-green-plus-visible-ir-tactical-laser-designator/ I was thinking the standard 4. On the 4P you have a back plate for using the fire buttons or another for the switch. |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 3:30:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-perst-4-gen-2-dual-green-plus-visible-ir-tactical-laser-designator/ I was thinking the standard 4. On the 4P you have a back plate for using the fire buttons or another for the switch. Dang. That's nearly twice my original budget for this project. |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 4:09:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang. That's nearly twice my original budget for this project. Don't forget if you go perst 4 you also need an illuminator, add another $300 on top. If you plan to upgrade to a Perst 3 later on just get the 2IKS+. Also take into consideration how far you are shooting, I believe the 2IKS+ is a flood for closer range. If you order from Russia you most likely will have to wait 1-3 months for it to arrive. There are people selling them in the US on facebook nightvision/gear groups at a slight premium. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 1:22:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang. That's nearly twice my original budget for this project. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 1:55:03 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For mid $300s I'd just jump up to the P4. Better controls and adjustments. The Klesh adjustments are very rudimentary and you have nothing to gauge how much you're moving it. No illuminator though. The adjustments on the klesh do suck though. I actually stripped out one of the allen heads in one of the adjustment screws. Ivan tactical was supposed to be checking with zenitco if they could send me a new screw for me to install myself. I haven't heard anything about it yet (it's been a year. I'm not holding my breath )
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Posted: 4/16/2021 2:37:12 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No illuminator though. The adjustments on the klesh do suck though. I actually stripped out one of the allen heads in one of the adjustment screws. Ivan tactical was supposed to be checking with zenitco if they could send me a new screw for me to install myself. I haven't heard anything about it yet (it's been a year. I'm not holding my breath )You can just buy hex screws at home depot or amazon and cut them to length with flush cutters if they're too long. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 7:04:25 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can just buy hex screws at home depot or amazon and cut them to length with flush cutters if they're too long. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No illuminator though. The adjustments on the klesh do suck though. I actually stripped out one of the allen heads in one of the adjustment screws. Ivan tactical was supposed to be checking with zenitco if they could send me a new screw for me to install myself. I haven't heard anything about it yet (it's been a year. I'm not holding my breath )You can just buy hex screws at home depot or amazon and cut them to length with flush cutters if they're too long. I'm sure McMaster-Carr has a suitable replacement as well. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 9:25:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure McMaster-Carr has a suitable replacement as well. Ace or Fastenal would probably have them as well. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 9:31:26 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang. That's nearly twice my original budget for this project. If your budget is ~$300, you should probably just get a TLR-VIR II and call it a day. Not FP, No Viz. PERST is least expensive FP option, but ~$500 is your minimum buy-in. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 9:33:50 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: You can just buy hex screws at home depot or amazon and cut them to length with flush cutters if they're too long. That's probably what's going to end up happening. I might even upgrade to torx. Lol |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:25:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget if you go perst 4 you also need an illuminator Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget if you go perst 4 you also need an illuminator Quoted:you should probably just get a TLR-VIR II I appreciate these offers to help, but reading comprehension is a thing. Full power laser. Cheap as possible. That's all I care about. Klesh it is. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:56:12 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate these offers to help, but reading comprehension is a thing. Full power laser. Cheap as possible. That's all I care about. Klesh it is. It's not a reading comprehension issue, we're just trying to help ya out. A full power laser alone is almost useless. Unless you just want to designate a point far out. Full power and cheap can be had for under $50 on amazing or commiebay. There is also a vast difference in power levels that would all be "full power" |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 4:05:01 PM EDT
[#43]
Sorry if this doesn’t fit as part of a technical discussion, but I didn’t think that it warrants a separate thread.
Not to speculate too hard but it would seem that the FDAs overreaching authority on laser regulation coupled with the coming sanctions on Russia (not to mention the Ukraine situation) may ultimately lead to issues getting these Russian products. I’m already slightly concerned that my shipment is being held in customs longer than average. I believe mine has been in the hands of US customs since March 1st (about 45 days) |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 8:26:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry if this doesn’t fit as part of a technical discussion, but I didn’t think that it warrants a separate thread. Not to speculate too hard but it would seem that the FDAs overreaching authority on laser regulation coupled with the coming sanctions on Russia (not to mention the Ukraine situation) may ultimately lead to issues getting these Russian products. I’m already slightly concerned that my shipment is being held in customs longer than average. I believe mine has been in the hands of US customs since March 1st (about 45 days) Yeah that is a long time in customs. Mine arrives to customs and there was no update for 2 days then boom out for delivery. I'm guessing between the time in russia and customs you are at almost 2 months so I would contact the seller. China has been importing high powered, and I mean ridiculously high powered handheld lasers for years. Occasionally they are snatched by customs but rarely. The fda may direct customs to scrutinize more for lasers, but they won't stop them. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:00:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a reading comprehension issue, we're just trying to help ya out. A full power laser alone is almost useless. Unless you just want to designate a point far out. Full power and cheap can be had for under $50 on amazing or commiebay. There is also a vast difference in power levels that would all be "full power" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I appreciate these offers to help, but reading comprehension is a thing. Full power laser. Cheap as possible. That's all I care about. Klesh it is. It's not a reading comprehension issue, we're just trying to help ya out. A full power laser alone is almost useless. Unless you just want to designate a point far out. Full power and cheap can be had for under $50 on amazing or commiebay. There is also a vast difference in power levels that would all be "full power" This. Without some background on intended use you’re going to get conflicting answers. If it’s hunting or self-defense oriented uses, the ‘you need an illuminator’ responses are valid. If you’re just looking to melt eyeballs a la Raiders of the Lost Ark...you have your answer. The curtness in your responses on a tech forum rife with knowledgeable individuals, while you continue to seek out an IR Death Star, is interesting. You’ve obviously been on ARF for an extended period of time, so if it’s intended for a non-nefarious purpose, all good, but the constant ‘I want a full power IR laser for cheap, and don’t give a shit about anything else’ is probably not being received as rational based on the usual banter here. Apologies if you have something else in mind, and it might very well be a super interesting one off use if you explained it further, but it strikes me as odd. Regardless, you appear to have your answer for an IR light saber. My .02 |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:03:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry if this doesn’t fit as part of a technical discussion, but I didn’t think that it warrants a separate thread. Not to speculate too hard but it would seem that the FDAs overreaching authority on laser regulation coupled with the coming sanctions on Russia (not to mention the Ukraine situation) may ultimately lead to issues getting these Russian products. I’m already slightly concerned that my shipment is being held in customs longer than average. I believe mine has been in the hands of US customs since March 1st (about 45 days) That is a long time. However, I was watching some special or something on tv (specifically about JFK) and if customs seized a package I think they have to immediately send out a letter to you informing you of such. Of course it’s a government and they do whatever they want. Hopefully it makes it to you soon because I would be kind of stressed about that as well. I think mine sat in US customs for I think 11 days or something |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 11:59:03 AM EDT
[#47]
Update on my new Perst 3 coming in.
Shipped 4/10 Handed over to Russian customs 4/14 Handed over to US customs at JFK 4/17. Current status on USPS shows - Inbound Into Customs -> Your item is being processed by United States Customs. Never seen that before, usually it just shows up at JFK or Chicago and comes to me. ETA : Just got a text from USPS saying expected delivery Monday! |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 2:54:35 PM EDT
[#48]
whats the consensus on the 4m vs 4 is the extra brightness worth the extra 80 bucks? is it too bright? I tried searching but theres not much info or experience out there
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Posted: 4/18/2021 3:29:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Some people say that the Perst 4 laser is more powerful than the Perst 3. Get Perst 4m if you want to bottom mount your LAM, its THICCCCC
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Posted: 4/18/2021 4:01:03 PM EDT
[#50]
It looks like only the green output is brighter(4 vs 4m) this is just going on a 9mm sbr. I dont know if its worth the extra green brightness, but the part of me that says more as better says go for the 4m instead of the regular 4 lol.
I like the form factor of the regular 4 better |
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