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Posted: 5/20/2020 5:03:23 PM EDT
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I have two peq-15c that are not slaved well. There is about a 12-18” difference between ir and vis lasers at 100 yards.
Be sure to check both  I wonder how the perst are for slaving alignment. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 6:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kits4: I have two peq-15c that are not slaved well. There is about a 12-18” difference between ir and vis lasers at 100 yards. Be sure to check both I wonder how the perst are for slaving alignment. My Perst 3 alignment is very close, I can't tell a difference. I have only used the vis to get an approximate zero and get it dialed in with the ir though. I did a rough zero at 70yards because that's where my target was. Checked at 200yards after dark and only needed 1 horizontal click to be dead on at 200. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 6:06:49 PM EDT
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What rails have you tried?
This is the reason I built a dedicated night rifle with a URX3.1 I was thinking about getting one of those LMT mono uppers as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1: I've tried a couple of different rails but had the same issues. I might try something like a Geissele next. Mine only shifts to the left. I've twisted the snot out of the rail by hand, etc. without changing it's position. The laser's mount is good to go. It's something people should definitely check regardless. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 6:49:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARShooter91: What rails have you tried? This is the reason I built a dedicated night rifle with a URX3.1 I was thinking about getting one of those LMT mono uppers as well. Rail 1: NFA (New Frontier Armory) free float 10" mlok Rail 2: Troy/VTAC Battle Rail 15" I have a "few" AR's but they all have NFA rails and one KAC RAS II. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 7:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1: Rail 1: NFA (New Frontier Armory) free float 10" mlok Rail 2: Troy/VTAC Battle Rail 15" I have a "few" AR's but they all have NFA rails and one KAC RAS II. Yeah any rail that holds itself on by squeezing the barrel nut is going to be prone to POI shifts. If I stand my KMR railed rifle on its butt and let it fall on a wood floor it'll move the rail a good bit. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 8:54:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARShooter91: Yeah any rail that holds itself on by squeezing the barrel nut is going to be prone to POI shifts. If I stand my KMR railed rifle on its butt and let it fall on a wood floor it'll move the rail a good bit. 10-4 and thanks. I’ll get a new rail. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 1:22:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1: I've tried a couple of different rails but had the same issues. I might try something like a Geissele next. Mine only shifts to the left. I've twisted the snot out of the rail by hand, etc. without changing it's position. The laser's mount is good to go. It's something people should definitely check regardless. I did some testing, one of the rails was a geissele mk16. It flexed a bit more then a BCM MCMR, but I tested it about 10 times and every test it came back to be dead on where it was at the start. I believe the barrel nut is why. Thinner rails, rails with lots of openings (mlok), and rounder geometry are all recipes for increased flex then say an old geissele mk4/8 or a quad rail with a beefy attachment. I actually bet the old non-freefloat stuff with good attachment is probably really rigid because of the barrel. But I digress, it's really not a big deal if the nut /attachment is solid. If it flexes (not bends) it should return to zero. I bet shifting on the nut is more of an culprit then the lasers fault. Here's the tech thread I did. Since then I've acquired a 7075 aluminum SLR rail I'd really like to test but itll be another month or two before I can. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Rail-deflection-test-result-3-rails-tested/12-748260/ |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 7:08:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LVMIKE: But I digress, it's really not a big deal if the nut /attachment is solid. If it flexes (not bends) it should return to zero. I bet shifting on the nut is more of an culprit then the lasers fault. This right here. I'm thinking most rails should have a good return to zero if some pressure is applied. It's when the rifle takes a fall or a more abrupt impact that'll shift the rail on the barrel nut. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 7:37:00 AM EDT
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Originally we mounted our lasers to barrels, so even if the rail or barrel flexed, the laser would flex with the barrel to stay true.
I did a quick google to find a pic for you guys: HERE |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:55:47 AM EDT
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This is an issue, as we've all seen in the past. You have a balance between light weight and robust. Especially when running a LAM. I love the light weight, low pro, M-lok rails, but this is perhaps their Achilles heel.
The question then becomes which is the lesser evil, going back to a non-free-float rail design, to stabilize laser, or keeping the free-float for increased accuracy. Or, yeah a monolithic upper. Another thing to check is the length of your M-lok screws and the clearance to the gas block. Depending on where WL is mounted (and rail/bbl length of course), these may be right next to gas block and with slight flex are touching. I have had to grind down my screws to give extra clearance here. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 11:43:01 AM EDT
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When it's a rail issue what does it do from anyone's experience? Does the laser drift everywhere or is it a consistent drift? Mine will hold zero for a while, never changing even after a few mags, after bumps & bangs, and other times will drift when the rifle has been doing nothing but laying on a table. That's why I thought my issue may be related to positive loading or tension on the adjusters because it drifts in the same direction. I always positive load according to the mfg.
ETA: I should add that it has changed before while shooting but it's an intermittent issue, doesn't do it all of the time. Same with it laying on the table. It's random. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:34:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1: When it's a rail issue what does it do from anyone's experience? Does the laser drift everywhere or is it a consistent drift? Mine will hold zero for a while, never changing even after a few mags, after bumps & bangs, and other times will drift when the rifle has been doing nothing but laying on a table. That's why I thought my issue may be related to positive loading or tension on the adjusters because it drifts in the same direction. I always positive load according to the mfg. ETA: I should add that it has changed before while shooting but it's an intermittent issue, doesn't do it all of the time. Same with it laying on the table. It's random. You may already know this and do this, but you MUST positive load your sight zero adjustments with the Steiner LAMs. https://www.steiner-optics.com/sites/default/files/manuals/DBAL-D2.pdf 3.1.h "A positive load is required on the adjustment mechanism when boresighting/zeroing the DBAL-D2 for purposes of retaining the set alignment. See paragraph 3.4." |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:45:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fongman: You may already know this and do this, but you MUST positive load your sight zero adjustments with the Steiner LAMs. https://www.steiner-optics.com/sites/default/files/manuals/DBAL-D2.pdf 3.1.h "A positive load is required on the adjustment mechanism when boresighting/zeroing the DBAL-D2 for purposes of retaining the set alignment. See paragraph 3.4." Thanks for checking and yessir always have since I got it and mentioned it in the previous post. ETA: I don't want to derail the PERST thread and will bounce out of here with this subject. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:50:26 PM EDT
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I have no doubt there is a combination of things here. We know that rails will flex and may not return to exact same spot. We know "drop tests" whether intentional or not has an effect on things. What will be interesting to see is how the Perst LAMs perform in this regard.
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1: Thanks for checking and yessir always have since I got it and mentioned it in the previous post. ETA: I don't want to derail the PERST thread and will bounce out of here with this subject. Sorry, missed you saying that. I hate trying to figure out intermittent crap like that. Good luck! |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 12:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1: When it's a rail issue what does it do from anyone's experience? Does the laser drift everywhere or is it a consistent drift? Mine will hold zero for a while, never changing even after a few mags, after bumps & bangs, and other times will drift when the rifle has been doing nothing but laying on a table. That's why I thought my issue may be related to positive loading or tension on the adjusters because it drifts in the same direction. I always positive load according to the mfg. ETA: I should add that it has changed before while shooting but it's an intermittent issue, doesn't do it all of the time. Same with it laying on the table. It's random. You know even on my KMR my zero held tight enough to hit my 9.5x20" silhouette at 200 yards. What kind of shifts are you seeing? 1-2moa? I know LAMs aren't necessarily precision optics but I'd expect less than 1moa shift. A few inches at 100yards is unacceptable IMO |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 1:17:49 PM EDT
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I hate crap like this too, lol. It's anywhere from 1-2 MOA to about 5 and always to the left. I'll get an LMT mono or something like that before contacting Steiner.
Anyways, to my original reply, it's always a good idea to check it and a slaved green laser co-witnessed to a red dot makes it easy. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 1:30:39 PM EDT
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Ya, that actually could be some kind of erector (screw that pushes the laser around inside) issue. Assuming the laser is mounted with your windage dial to the right side of the rifle, it would mean the laser assembly module is sometimes not coming into full contact with the screw that pushes it around inside the unit body. In rifle scopes, this kind of problem is usually the spring/s that force the assembly into contact with the turret gib not doing their job correctly. It's usually the same kinda thing, shot goes to the opposite direction of whichever side the windage or elevation knob is oriented. With the windage knob on the right, itll show as a left point of impact shift
If firing a few rounds and rechecking causes it to come back to zero then I'd bet money this was what's going on. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 8:16:59 PM EDT
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I was just on Zenitco EBay page all -2,3, 4 Persts are no longer listed
 Hopefully it’s not permanent. Perhaps due to corona and shut downs , supply shortages ect....? |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 8:35:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just on Zenitco EBay page all -2,3, 4 Persts are no longer listed Hopefully it’s not permanent. Perhaps due to corona and shut downs , supply shortages ect....? Ivantactical has a few iterations of the perst 4 & 3 in stock. Didn’t look at the 2. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:58:01 AM EDT
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Hmmm. Who knows. Hope it's just ebay being stupid. Maybe Zenitco is just re-aligning it's sales. It seems they are trying to establish retail dealer network and get out of direct-sales. I hope.
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Posted: 5/24/2020 11:44:57 PM EDT
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Guessing supply issue. I have an order with Ivan stuck in customs since April 1st. Checked with him a few times over the last few months and apparently mail from Russia slowed down significantly due to Corona
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Posted: 5/24/2020 11:50:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What rails have you tried? This is the reason I built a dedicated night rifle with a URX3.1 I was thinking about getting one of those LMT mono uppers as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: What rails have you tried? This is the reason I built a dedicated night rifle with a URX3.1 I was thinking about getting one of those LMT mono uppers as well. Originally Posted By will-1: I've tried a couple of different rails but had the same issues. I might try something like a Geissele next. Mine only shifts to the left. I've twisted the snot out of the rail by hand, etc. without changing it's position. The laser's mount is good to go. It's something people should definitely check regardless. The only rails I trust are LMT monolithic and kac URX4. I’ve tried geissele mk8, mk14, and Kac urx3.1. I’ve tested these rails by mounting the perst3 on them and smacking the side of the rail with a dead blow hammer. Mount is tightened to 40 in-lbs on all the rails. I first zeroed the laser to a scope at 200 yards, after the smacks, I’d look thru the scope to see if there was any shift. To confirm, it was not the mount/ laser shifting, I mounted the laser to my LMT monolithic upper and smacked the laser- no shift. Smacking the rail of the lmt mrp yielded no shift as expected. Mk8 rail- blows caused laser to shift about 12-18inches (@200 yards). The smacks caused the rail to shift on the barrel nut. Mk14 rail- Laser would shift if the rail is loaded, but the blows did not caused any noticeable shift. The barrel nut interface is more secure than the mk8- thus no shift, but the rail itself is somewhat flexy when pressure is applied. However, tightening it to 40 in-lbs caused the top picatinny rail under the mount to permanently deform. Urx 3.1- blows caused laser to shift significantly if the bottom rail was attached. Without bottom rail attached, no shift was noticeable after the blows. The 3.1 being a two piece rail is flexy. When it gets smacked, the top part flexes in relation to the bottom part of the rail. The screws holding the two parts of the rail together keep the top part locked in the flexed state after the smack, leading to a shift. However, once the screws are loosened, the laser goes back to original zero. I don’t have experience with the URX4, but being a one piece rail, I believe that it is stiffer. Since it doesn’t have screws holding the top and bottom together, it will not be locked in the flexed state after an impact, rather it will relax back to original zeroed state. YMMV, but personally I only trust monolithic uppers and URX4 at this point for lasers aiming devices. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 6:12:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only rails I trust are LMT monolithic and kac URX4. I’ve tried geissele mk8, mk14, and Kac urx3.1. I’ve tested these rails by mounting the perst3 on them and smacking the side of the rail with a dead blow hammer. Mount is tightened to 40 in-lbs on all the rails. I first zeroed the laser to a scope at 200 yards, after the smacks, I’d look thru the scope to see if there was any shift. To confirm, it was not the mount/ laser shifting, I mounted the laser to my LMT monolithic upper and smacked the laser- no shift. Smacking the rail of the lmt mrp yielded no shift as expected. Mk8 rail- blows caused laser to shift about 12-18inches (@200 yards). The smacks caused the rail to shift on the barrel nut. Mk14 rail- Laser would shift if the rail is loaded, but the blows did not caused any noticeable shift. The barrel nut interface is more secure than the mk8- thus no shift, but the rail itself is somewhat flexy when pressure is applied. However, tightening it to 40 in-lbs caused the top picatinny rail under the mount to permanently deform. Urx 3.1- blows caused laser to shift significantly if the bottom rail was attached. Without bottom rail attached, no shift was noticeable after the blows. The 3.1 being a two piece rail is flexy. When it gets smacked, the top part flexes in relation to the bottom part of the rail. The screws holding the two parts of the rail together keep the top part locked in the flexed state after the smack, leading to a shift. However, once the screws are loosened, the laser goes back to original zero. I don’t have experience with the URX4, but being a one piece rail, I believe that it is stiffer. Since it doesn’t have screws holding the top and bottom together, it will not be locked in the flexed state after an impact, rather it will relax back to original zeroed state. YMMV, but personally I only trust monolithic uppers and URX4 at this point for lasers aiming devices. Good info. How much of a shift were you seeing with the 3.1? I wonder what we'd see if you loctite the bottom rail screws and just barely snug them or even back them out a 1/4 turn after tight. Possibly have it just bounce back. I figured a monolithic upper would be more popular in NV but don't see many guys using them Off to find an LMT MRP deal |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:45:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good info. How much of a shift were you seeing with the 3.1? I wonder what we'd see if you loctite the bottom rail screws and just barely snug them or even back them out a 1/4 turn after tight. Possibly have it just bounce back. I figured a monolithic upper would be more popular in NV but don't see many guys using them Off to find an LMT MRP deal i do have an mrp cqb but i don't keep it setup for night shooting |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 2:30:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i've had a dbal mounted on a urx 3.1 rail for years without any noticeable shifting or wandering zero , the urx 3.1 is a pretty solid system i do have an mrp cqb but i don't keep it setup for night shooting Just keep JinNTonic with his dead blow hammer away and I'm good? |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 9:55:24 AM EDT
[#27]
Well I mean that's a good point; we would all like to have bomb-proof, mil-spec gear, but what's the cost/benefit analysis. If I was in a high-IED-threat arena, then sure, you might want your rifle to be pretty stout. But for most guys doing their thing? Dunno I guess that's up to you. I suppose that's why most guys have viz lasers and just re-check zero often. Then run whatever rail you want.
At the end of the day, unless I'm running some precision rifle capable of sub-1 MOA, maybe doing overwatch for some team, what's the consequences of the laser zero being a little off? You drop your piece, or whatever, you re-check zero, with viz laser and RDS, and drive on. |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 2:07:49 PM EDT
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Looks like my perst 4 never even left Russia.
Time and date Place Message Monday, May 25, 2020 11:21 AM MOSKVA PCI-21 Processed Through Facility Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:28 PM Released by custom house Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:27 PM Handed over to the customs Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:18 PM Arrived at the customs of Russia Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:18 PM N/A Origin Post is Preparing Shipment Friday, Apr 17, 2020 3:50 PM Arrived at the local distribution center Friday, Apr 17, 2020 7:10 AM Departed from local distribution center Friday, Apr 17, 2020 2:14 AM Arrived at the local distribution center Thursday, Apr 16, 2020 5:46 PM Sorting complete Thursday, Apr 16, 2020 5:31 PM Arrived at the Post office |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 2:46:31 PM EDT
[#29]
I bought some stuff from Ivan tactical at pretty much the same time you did, mine finally updated as
2020-05-17 22:55 Russian Federation, Sheremet`evo MMPO PCI-7 104007, Export of international mail but nothing since then, so I have no clue if it actually left Russia and made it here or if it's just sitting in a box awaiting export. International mail has gotten pretty bad as of late. |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 4:16:43 PM EDT
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I ordered from Ivan on 4 May and haven't gotten any update since 7 May. My gut feeling is it's on the way and the data system is way behind it.
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Posted: 5/26/2020 9:31:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like my perst 4 never even left Russia. Time and date Place Message Monday, May 25, 2020 11:21 AM MOSKVA PCI-21 Processed Through Facility Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:28 PM Released by custom house Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:27 PM Handed over to the customs Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:18 PM Arrived at the customs of Russia Friday, Apr 17, 2020 4:18 PM N/A Origin Post is Preparing Shipment Friday, Apr 17, 2020 3:50 PM Arrived at the local distribution center Friday, Apr 17, 2020 7:10 AM Departed from local distribution center Friday, Apr 17, 2020 2:14 AM Arrived at the local distribution center Thursday, Apr 16, 2020 5:46 PM Sorting complete Thursday, Apr 16, 2020 5:31 PM Arrived at the Post office I'm still waiting on my March 19th order. An express order I made 2 weeks ago was already sent as "export of international mail". So all in all, I have 3 orders over 2+ months waiting and no items delivered. Just have to be patient I guess. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 8:42:59 AM EDT
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I ship things on a regular basis to customers and buddies overseas, specifically in Europe. The ship times have been really bad lately. And seemingly random, based on the countries involved. The UK has been bad, along with Switzerland, and now I guess you can add the Russia to the list. Hopefully as all this drama dies down, we will see shipping return to something approaching normal.
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Posted: 5/27/2020 9:06:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What rails have you tried? This is the reason I built a dedicated night rifle with a URX3.1 I was thinking about getting one of those LMT mono uppers as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: What rails have you tried? This is the reason I built a dedicated night rifle with a URX3.1 I was thinking about getting one of those LMT mono uppers as well. Originally Posted By will-1: I've tried a couple of different rails but had the same issues. I might try something like a Geissele next. Mine only shifts to the left. I've twisted the snot out of the rail by hand, etc. without changing it's position. The laser's mount is good to go. It's something people should definitely check regardless. My 3 are 2-KAC UR. 3.1 (i would love a 4.0, but people think Mod 2s are made of diamonds and platinum) 1- SLR |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 6:55:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still waiting on my March 19th order. An express order I made 2 weeks ago was already sent as "export of international mail". So all in all, I have 3 orders over 2+ months waiting and no items delivered. Just have to be patient I guess. I’m still waiting on a March 13th order so your not the only one. |
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Posted: 6/1/2020 3:09:09 PM EDT
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What did you order and from whom. You ordered a whole month before me. Every time I see the mailman with packages walking up to my door I am hoping one day I will get my Zentico orders. The tracking orders have not been updated for several weeks now.
 I placed two orders one from Russian Thunder I ordered a Perst 4 Green on April 16th it shipped on the 21st on the 28th it was Export of international mail. Who knows when this will arrive? 2020-04-28 17:41 Russian Federation, MR LC Vnukovo Cex-2 MMPO 102972, Export of international mail My second order was from Zentico on EBAY from Dmitri ordered on April 17th a KLESCH 2 dual IR&visible KV-5PU socket modernize and the KV-4/2U remote button pressure switch AUTHENTIC ZenitCo ??-4/2? and was Export international mail on 5-12-2020 almost a whole month just sitting in Russia? Ebay said should be delivered by June 11th but I am not holding my breath. 2020-05-12 06:40 Russian Federation, Sheremet`evo MMPO PCI-7 104007, Export of international mail |
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Posted: 6/1/2020 9:00:39 PM EDT
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I ordered from Ivan. I placed a 2nd order from Ivan for some parts a few weeks later which already arrived.
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Posted: 6/2/2020 4:06:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What did you order and from whom. You ordered a whole month before me. Every time I see the mailman with packages walking up to my door I am hoping one day I will get my Zentico orders. The tracking orders have not been updated for several weeks now. I placed two orders one from Russian Thunder I ordered a Perst 4 Green on April 16th it shipped on the 21st on the 28th it was Export of international mail. Who knows when this will arrive? 2020-04-28 17:41 Russian Federation, MR LC Vnukovo Cex-2 MMPO 102972, Export of international mail My second order was from Zentico on EBAY from Dmitri ordered on April 17th a KLESCH 2 dual IR&visible KV-5PU socket modernize and the KV-4/2U remote button pressure switch AUTHENTIC ZenitCo ??-4/2? and was Export international mail on 5-12-2020 almost a whole month just sitting in Russia? Ebay said should be delivered by June 11th but I am not holding my breath. 2020-05-12 06:40 Russian Federation, Sheremet`evo MMPO PCI-7 104007, Export of international mail I misspoke before, i actually did have 1 order arrive. So with Ivan, I've made 2 express shipping and 1 standard delivery purchase. 1 of the express delivery purchases arrived within 21 days. These are all zenitco parts. Have also made 1 standard delivery purchase from Grey Shop, which has not arrived either. Also a zenitco part. So 4 purchases total, 1 express package delivered, 1 express package undelivered, 2 standard delivery packages undelivered. This is all starting from my first purchase (standard delivery) made on March 19. That's about 75 calendar days, about 15 days shy of chargeback-land for me. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 9:06:19 AM EDT
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I hope stuff starts rolling in soon. I to am getting impatient especially when it sits in Russian post for 20 days before an update and the the updates go black. So you have no idea where you order is. Hopefully it will just show up in the mail one day.
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Posted: 6/6/2020 6:31:23 AM EDT
[#39]
I was really leaning towards a 3, but seeing this shipping delays (more importantly comm black holes) I'll more than likely pick up a D2.
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Posted: 6/6/2020 2:26:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope stuff starts rolling in soon. I to am getting impatient especially when it sits in Russian post for 20 days before an update and the the updates go black. So you have no idea where you order is. Hopefully it will just show up in the mail one day. I'll be at 90 days at the end of this month. My 17track listings have expired it's been so long, ha. |
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Posted: 6/6/2020 2:47:48 PM EDT
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Yea I'm sitting at 50 days now. I'm starting to think that when they said "export of international mail" they meant by ship haha
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Posted: 6/6/2020 6:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was really leaning towards a 3, but seeing this shipping delays (more importantly comm black holes) I'll more than likely pick up a D2. Yup, my thoughts exactly. People sitting at 2+ months waiting is no bueno. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 7:05:00 PM EDT
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Anybody tried one of the gen.3 2IKS+Laser Klesh (single spectrum) units yet? It comes with a mount, though I'm not entirely sure how it interfaces.
Would like to run it on an AK-P but I'm not 100% sure if it will interface correctly. Also not 100% on the 3W LED illuminator... https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-2ikslaser-klesh-tactical-ir-illuminator-with-ir-laser/ |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 8:43:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody tried one of the gen.3 2IKS+Laser Klesh (single spectrum) units yet? It comes with a mount, though I'm not entirely sure how it interfaces. Would like to run it on an AK-P but I'm not 100% sure if it will interface correctly. Also not 100% on the 3W LED illuminator... https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-2ikslaser-klesh-tactical-ir-illuminator-with-ir-laser/ The goose-neck rail attaches to a lower handguard pic rail, like a standard zenitco b10 lower handguard. It is designed to be used on a 6 o'clock position and I'm unsure if it'll fit on the 9 or 3 position. It also has a cutout at the point where the mount slopes towards the bore, which is sort of a "guard" for the wire connector when the wire is threaded through this cutout. Wish I could tell you that I've had lots of experience behind this light, but I've only ever perused over one in person for a short time on an acquaintances rifle. I bought one, but if you look above in this thread, that's was about mid March and I'm still waiting on it to even get a mailing update, last one being clearing customs on March 23rd... The illuminator will show a red glow, especially given it's somewhat generous spill, but it's power is more than adequate for a 200 yard and under engagement envelope. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:57:40 PM EDT
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Thanks for the reply. Sounds like a similar situation to the D2 then. I'd happily spring for a Perst 3 if it were possible to get warranty support without violating ITAR.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 12:41:14 AM EDT
[#46]
I ordered from ebay on May 9....just got usps tracking update saying it was in NY distribution center
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:46:45 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered from ebay on May 9....just got usps tracking update saying it was in NY distribution center My second express shipment arrived yesterday, 30 days of transit. Still waiting on orders from March 19th and April 3rd though. Was yours standard or express? |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:50:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Yea, it's been weird. For some international shipments placed more recently seem to be getting delivered quicker than ones that have been sitting somewhere seemingly forever. It's very irritating. I still think the older orders were shipped via cargo ship which is why they are taking so damn long.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:58:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, it's been weird. For some international shipments placed more recently seem to be getting delivered quicker than ones that have been sitting somewhere seemingly forever. It's very irritating. I still think the older orders were shipped via cargo ship which is why they are taking so damn long. possibly. im part of some KP9 groups where people are ordering russian parts for the guns. some of the guys have been waiting on orders that were placed in Feb/March and it still has not left Russia. I think part of it has been the drop off in international shipping. Shipping across the pond in any direction was basically halted completely to prevent coronaids from spreading across countries. Then also consider the customs facilities have also been on a skeleton crew but they still have to inspect and release packages. so at this point who knows. I personally will give it a few months minimum before ordering anything from across the pond just because im impatient |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered from ebay on May 9....just got usps tracking update saying it was in NY distribution center Wow great news you lucky devil. Ordered a 4 from BPT on 5/2, and haven’t heard a peep so far. |
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