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Originally Posted By Pig_Popper:
The Carpe Sus YouTube channel posted a new vid using the Aurora mounted under his AR15 barrel The conditions were the most challenging with respect to getting a clear NV image. The moon was not up yet There was cloud cover (no starlight) The coyote fur color matched the ground (natural camo) Due to wind being non favorable the shot was at 150 yards (well beyond the Auroras native magnification) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcQtDYBdxqE The positives: The camera didn’t blink upon recoil The use of supplemental IR assisted in seeing eye shine with the Aurora View Quote 185 Yard Coyote: IR Hunter Thermal & SiOnyx Aurora NV Video |
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Its foggy and raining for the 87th day straight. I tried to take pics through my optics with the Aurora mounted in front. I am using a Samsung S8. The dueling tree is 100 yards away. On all pics with the Aurora, it is zoomed in 3 clicks, which according to the manual gives true 1:1 view. I did not try to shoot the target with the Athlon scope. I did try with the Burris 3x, and found my POI had shifted 3 feet to the right. This is most likely a deficiency with the mount, I have found that I can grasp the camera while mounted and slightly shift it left and right. It could also be a problem with the riser I have it mounted on. I won't know until I do more testing on a less crappy day. I didn't take pictures of it mounted in front of a 1x red dot, and I had no POI shift in that setup. It is possible that the image could be better on night mode, I'll try to look this evening. But I would say 6x zooms in on the pixels too much.
Attached File Conditions at noon time. Attached File Athlon Argos 6x24x50, at 6x. Attached File Argos with Aurora. Attached File Burris AR332. Attached File Burris with Aurora. |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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I could be wrong, but I would think that if the aurora is behind the optic (I.e. red dot), then your aiming point will correspond To point of impact. In this scenario, you are using the Aurora to observe your aiming point.
However, if you put the aurora in front, then your aiming point is observing the screen on the Aurora and your point of impact will no longer correspond to your point of aim unless the aurora happens to be mounted in the perfectly correct position. I think that to use the aurora in front would require zeroing with it in this position and having a 100% repeatable mount for it. Don’t have experience with this, so correct me if I am wrong. |
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Originally Posted By juslearnin:
I could be wrong, but I would think that if the aurora is behind the optic (I.e. red dot), then your aiming point will correspond To point of impact. In this scenario, you are using the Aurora to observe your aiming point. However, if you put the aurora in front, then your aiming point is observing the screen on the Aurora and your point of impact will no longer correspond to your point of aim unless the aurora happens to be mounted in the perfectly correct position. I think that to use the aurora in front would require zeroing with it in this position and having a 100% repeatable mount for it. Don’t have experience with this, so correct me if I am wrong. View Quote |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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An extensive collection of actual footage from The Aurora in no moon / cloudy conditions - This is the absolute worst conditions for this technology.
I run through various gain settings and night modes and eventually add in IR illumination. Thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNquR12cg90&feature=youtu.be |
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Originally Posted By Pig_Popper:
An extensive collection of actual footage from The Aurora in no moon / cloudy conditions - This is the absolute worst conditions for this technology. I run through various gain settings and night modes and eventually add in IR illumination. Thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNquR12cg90&feature=youtu.be View Quote |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Nice job on the 3-d printed mount. I’m wondering if an adapter could be used to make a surplus j-arm align correctly
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Originally Posted By smeeg:
Nice job on the 3-d printed mount. I’m wondering if an adapter could be used to make a surplus j-arm align correctly View Quote |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Long time lurker on AR15.com... couldn't figure out to recover my old acct, so this is a "new" one for now.
I picked up one of these at the $599 holiday pricing and for the money, I'm pretty impressed. For those who are on the fence, using an IR illuminator, even one of the cheap "Uniquefire" LED units from Amazon (pretty much identical to what SiOynx is including in the "Explorer" package, I think) is a *huge* improvement. I tested last night behind my condo at around 80 yards and the 850nm IR illuminator at the spot setting lights up the view really well. This is one of those devices that, due to the 0.9MP sensor, isn't really demonstrated very well via the picture or video output... you need to view through the EVF itself with the finer dot pitch to see what it's capable of, imho. That said, if you need observation capability with the addition of the option for photo/video output, this changes the game compared to a PVS-14... nevermind the price point being half or less. If you go to the greyscale overlay, you gain a bit more capability than the "Night Color" mode as well. With a 850nm IR illuminator, everything takes on a blue cast anyhow, so there isn't much loss going to the greyscale overlay. Does anyone else know of a viable Picatinny to 1/4" tripod lug adapter that would work well with this? I've only seen one that lacks the alignment lug, so that isn't optimal. Would be good if we could find out who OEMs the adapter SiOnyx is marketing in the Explorer kit. It's still not **cheap** at $600, but compared to the industry standard options out there, it's clear things are going to start changing fast in this technology space. I look forward to their second, refined, version of this hardware, as there are many small things they could do to make it fit a "tactical" role even better. At present, this is clearly a consumer/action-cam oriented observation device, to put it succintly. |
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Also, has anyone measured the FOV (in degrees) when it's zoomed 3 clicks in to "1:1" equivalent?
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Butler Creek Blizzard cap, size #8, makes a good front lens cap. Just trim off about 1cm of the rubber material so it will go on all the way. Attached File
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Wilcox FLIR Recon M24 shoe fits with a little filing on the shoe's locator pin. Same part # from the Sionyx FB pics. Not bad for a loaner, but needs active IR to keep up with gen 3 on an overcast night away from civilization.
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Originally Posted By fortydelta:
Butler Creek Blizzard cap, size #8, makes a good front lens cap. Just trim off about 1cm of the rubber material so it will go on all the way.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/96899/20190103_201009-2016x1512_jpg-795246.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/96899/20190103_201053-1512x2016_jpg-795247.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Mach: all the video is with car headlights on or big lights in the field or on game if it showed anything in ambient light they would show it, but they dont View Quote https://photos.app.goo.gl/2uJC4ZCCYw3Qjnap8 |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Folks in this thread may enjoy this article: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25803/this-is-what-color-night-vision-looks-like-and-it-stands-to-be-a-game-changer
Things are changing fast! |
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Originally Posted By txdx:
The real winner, at least for me, is the extended IR sensitivity. It outperforms everything else I have at 1064nm. Pretty cool shining around a 1064nm laser and seeing the dot clear as day while a Gen 3 tube is blind. A 1060nm LED lights up a dark room while a Gen 3 tube sees it only when looking directly into it (and that LED has some spectral energy well below 1000nm which is mainly what tickles the Gen 3 tube). A 1064nm aiming laser and laser illuminator is now on my to do list. View Quote And there's the rub. Been waiting for this to become real. As digital processing overcomes its hurdles and catches up with analog tubes' capability, the digital's flexibility for design improvement starts to outclass the tubes. Until now needing IR support light made the user a beacon to anyone with higher quality gear. Oh, okay .... I'll just move outside of your analog tube's spectrum. Now I can use cheap supplemental illumination and aiming lasers that your analog gear doesn't detect. . . . I can think of a dozen more ways that this is a game changer that I won't post in open forum, because the mere thoughts should be ITAR protected. Honestly, I wouldn't have addressed this one if it wasn't already out there. |
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Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd:
@txdx And there's the rub. Been waiting for this to become real. As digital processing overcomes its hurdles and catches up with analog tubes' capability, the digital's flexibility for design improvement starts to outclass the tubes. Until now needing IR support light made the user a beacon to anyone with higher quality gear. Oh, okay .... I'll just move outside of your analog tube's spectrum. Now I can use cheap supplemental illumination and aiming lasers that your analog gear doesn't detect. . . . I can think of a dozen more ways that this is a game changer that I won't post in open forum, because the mere thoughts should be ITAR protected. Honestly, I wouldn't have addressed this one if it wasn't already out there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd:
Originally Posted By txdx:
The real winner, at least for me, is the extended IR sensitivity. It outperforms everything else I have at 1064nm. Pretty cool shining around a 1064nm laser and seeing the dot clear as day while a Gen 3 tube is blind. A 1060nm LED lights up a dark room while a Gen 3 tube sees it only when looking directly into it (and that LED has some spectral energy well below 1000nm which is mainly what tickles the Gen 3 tube). A 1064nm aiming laser and laser illuminator is now on my to do list. And there's the rub. Been waiting for this to become real. As digital processing overcomes its hurdles and catches up with analog tubes' capability, the digital's flexibility for design improvement starts to outclass the tubes. Until now needing IR support light made the user a beacon to anyone with higher quality gear. Oh, okay .... I'll just move outside of your analog tube's spectrum. Now I can use cheap supplemental illumination and aiming lasers that your analog gear doesn't detect. . . . I can think of a dozen more ways that this is a game changer that I won't post in open forum, because the mere thoughts should be ITAR protected. Honestly, I wouldn't have addressed this one if it wasn't already out there. |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Originally Posted By fortydelta:
Could you point me to a 1064nm laser and light? All I can find is medical or lab type setups in that wavelength. View Quote Apparently they're not as cheap and plentiful as I expected. Ebay search for "ND YAG Rod" will find them. It would be a cumbersome project to implement them. I expected that they would have moved past a rod type laser and have solid state emitters by now .... just like the visible and IR flashlights. |
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Has anybody been able to find a picatinny rail mount for this sight? I tried several:
This one was not stable - it lacked the anti-rotation pin https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XB39SY4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This one had anti-rotation pin slot, but I'm not sure how to install/remove the camera on it https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FSGHZ4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
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Originally Posted By Krater:
Has anybody been able to find a picatinny rail mount for this sight? I tried several: This one was not stable - it lacked the anti-rotation pin https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XB39SY4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This one had anti-rotation pin slot, but I'm not sure how to install/remove the camera on it https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FSGHZ4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 View Quote The mount that came with the explorer kit is not very elaborate. I would be surprised that no other camera has a similar threaded hole/pin dimension. |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Originally Posted By Krater:
Has anybody been able to find a picatinny rail mount for this sight? I tried several: This one was not stable - it lacked the anti-rotation pin https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XB39SY4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This one had anti-rotation pin slot, but I'm not sure how to install/remove the camera on it https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FSGHZ4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mike06: I just got the one in your 1st link the round base also acts as a jam nut and locks both the camera and rail mount seems like it will work pretty good.Have not field tested it yet. I will be using mine for hog hunting may try this mount. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XXBN3PZ/?coliid=IGITG1LRKJTBI&colid=D4K5BDAP3AY2&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Krater: As a camera mount it may work, but it certainly will not position the camera in front of your eye. View Quote |
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T.REX Arm is back with another video on digital night vision tech--this time their review of the Aurora: https://youtu.be/e3SN-ZSG7ls
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Originally Posted By C3N4-1:
T.REX Arm is back with another video on digital night vision tech--this time their review of the Aurora: https://youtu.be/e3SN-ZSG7ls View Quote Many improvements that can be made fairly easily for this as use as a tactical tool. |
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Very cool; as an average Joe, I thought TRex was a very informative while still being even-handed about the capabilities and limitations. There's no such thing as a free lunch, as they say.
I hadn't even considered the applications for utility work! Now that I think about it, all kinds of public safety uses! I am also glad to learn how the battery compartment works. So...you guys are going to be developing a swappable lens assembly if this goes well, right? Right? |
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Originally Posted By C3N4-1:
T.REX Arm is back with another video on digital night vision tech--this time their review of the Aurora: https://youtu.be/e3SN-ZSG7ls View Quote I wonder if SiOnyx is paying attention? As a pure low-light observation/recording device, this thing fits the bill if you can't be bothered to schlepp an actual full-sized camera around. Pair it with an IR illuminator and it's pretty danged effective. |
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada: Thanks for posting that. Super informative. Many improvements that can be made fairly easily for this as use as a tactical tool. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 1ipschoser: Yes, it was informative. Despite the color display, out of band capability ( a big deal) and low cost, the lag and battery life currently make this a tactical no-go. It is a big step in the right direction though. Maybe gen 2 or 3 will clean up the details and make digital a viable option. For now, I'll be keeping my pvs14. View Quote This fits into the Arfcom philosophy of "Get Both" quite easily. |
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You can lead a liberal to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
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Cool video of the Sionyx filming the northern lights. Pretty damn cool. Pay close attention to the first few seconds of the video where you can just see the tops of the trees.
I don't know how to imbed.... Here |
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I'm curious to see if it could be mounted on a handguard so it could show a POV shooting/hunting.
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Originally Posted By fortydelta:
One of the previous videos did that. He had the Aurora mounted under the barrel recording while using a thermal for aiming. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fortydelta:
Originally Posted By DirtyHandsRob:
I'm curious to see if it could be mounted on a handguard so it could show a POV shooting/hunting. |
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Avatar by NorthPolar
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Great in-depth review of the Aurora by Nick Chen of TFB. He includes mount options and plenty of comparisons to NVGs: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/01/11/sionyx-aurora/
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Originally Posted By C3N4-1:
Great in-depth review of the Aurora by Nick Chen of TFB. He includes mount options and plenty of comparisons to NVGs: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/01/11/sionyx-aurora/ View Quote @NV4U2 Also curious if the objective lense can be upgraded. |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: So, he thinks the lag is only in the EVF. Is that possible? Is it something that could be fixed by upgrading the EVF (rear of the unit)? @NV4U2 Also curious if the objective lense can be upgraded. View Quote The objective lens plugs into what might be a proprietary plug, like a slightly smaller hdmi part. The evf has the male end. The only mechanism on the evf is the diopter adjustment. I see no reason why it couldn't be changed, just depends on if it's feasible or not. |
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Can anyone recommend a smaller IR illuminator? What about a head mounted (headlamp not helmet) one for indoor or around camp use? I'm not sure if it would work, but also figured that having one less hand occupied might be a good thing. Was looking at the Petzl Strix - any thoughts? Is the IR on it for illumination or identification?
NV4U2 - gone dark? This is *super sketchy* and the first (but seriously) bad vibe I've gotten on this product. More than a little concerning. Dropped full retail on a unit yesterday after having read through this whole thread and feeling pretty good about the company. I'm seriously concerned about "unusual" behavior and hope it doesn't indicate something untoward from a business perspective. As an aside, anyone know the deal with the poster who changed all of his posts to "unit stopped working" or whatever? Thanks for any input. |
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Originally Posted By cledford3:
Can anyone recommend a smaller IR illuminator? What about a head mounted (headlamp not helmet) one for indoor or around camp use? I'm not sure if it would work, but also figured that having one less hand occupied might be a good thing. Was looking at the Petzl Strix - any thoughts? Is the IR on it for illumination or identification? NV4U2 - gone dark? This is *super sketchy* and the first (but seriously) bad vibe I've gotten on this product. More than a little concerning. Dropped full retail on a unit yesterday after having read through this whole thread and feeling pretty good about the company. I'm seriously concerned about "unusual" behavior and hope it doesn't indicate something untoward from a business perspective. As an aside, anyone know the deal with the poster who changed all of his posts to "unit stopped working" or whatever? Thanks for any input. View Quote I wonder if the NV4U was an employee who got told to stop posting. Who knows, whatever. |
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Or if he was reported for non paying advertising.
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Father Jesus said a medical problem caused the erection.
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Originally Posted By fortydelta: One of the previous videos did that. He had the Aurora mounted under the barrel recording while using a thermal for aiming. View Quote |
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Not fly enough to be halal....
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Aside from having a ton of stuff bolted to your rifle, this is a cool idea. If I can locate a pic/rail mount for my aurora, maybe I’ll try this... View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DirtyHandsRob:
There's lots of small and cheap AA IR illuminators on eBay/Amazon. I think I bought two 5W ones. They are ok. I wonder if the NV4U was an employee who got told to stop posting. Who knows, whatever. View Quote The "UniqueFire" IR illuminators on Amazon seem decent. Nothing special. They use 18650 cells though, which are common enough. I wouldn't be shocked if this (or similar) is what SiOnyx is including in their Explorer package. I'm curious how vital it is that the Aurora Picatinny mount have the retention for the EVF/battery latch, as described in that TFB review. I didn't realize that was the reason their "custom" Picatinny mount was so long. |
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