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Posted: 6/7/2018 8:32:27 PM EDT
[#1]
Glynn @ Night Vision Inc pulled through this weekend.
The focusable illum is going to be awesome on these. There is almost no wiggle at all. Going to be a game changer for sure  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/12/2018 4:19:12 PM EDT
[#2]
Just waiting on mine
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Posted: 6/12/2018 4:29:27 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A SG with direct hook up remote battery would be pretty sick. Might make me get a new set of Binos. |
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Posted: 6/12/2018 8:20:18 PM EDT
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I think it would be outstanding if it took a standard LEMO connector so you could just mount all those anvis packs on top of your noggin (or they could sell an extension cord) to re-purpose an existing battery pack. |
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Posted: 6/12/2018 10:55:00 PM EDT
[#5]
So what's the story on this thing - its almost a complete knock-off of a Sentinel but machined in aluminum, runs AA batts, and is less expensive than a sentinel? Is this some type of vendor collaboration or exclusive device? Just curious what the backstory is on this, because I thought AB Night Vision was the shop behind the machining of Sentinel Housings for Adams Industries?
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Posted: 6/14/2018 9:44:01 PM EDT
[#6]
The wait is killing me! I’m ready for these already. It’s almost as bad as waiting for NFA goodies.
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Posted: 6/17/2018 12:51:34 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Glynn @ Night Vision Inc pulled through this weekend. The focusable illum is going to be awesome on these. There is almost no wiggle at all. Going to be a game changer for sure https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/348028/20180607_192906-568858.JPG |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 1:04:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That illuminator focus unit is real slick - something standard that comes with the housings, or just a Glynn special? |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 1:25:16 PM EDT
[#9]
It’s a PVS-7 focus ring. The BNVDs can also accept them.
~Augee |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 2:36:00 PM EDT
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It’s a PVS-7 focus ring. The BNVDs can also accept them. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 4:18:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Hate to be that person but any update if housings are getting close to shipping?
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Posted: 6/23/2018 6:42:11 PM EDT
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Hate to be that person but any update if housings are getting close to shipping?  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/23/2018 8:55:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Oh!
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Posted: 7/15/2018 2:41:42 PM EDT
[#14]
Anyone got anymore info or a solid review on these? I've never tried bino's in any capacity nor do I know any local that own's bino's and these are my top choice as the price comes out quite a bit cheaper than the rest for WP Filmless tubes.
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Posted: 7/15/2018 2:57:25 PM EDT
[#15]
I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else.
I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them. If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation. |
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Posted: 7/15/2018 3:04:34 PM EDT
[#16]
Still waiting on mine, next week hopefully
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Posted: 7/15/2018 3:22:09 PM EDT
[#17]
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I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else. I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them. If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else. I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them. If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation. Quoted:
Still waiting on mine, next week hopefully 
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Posted: 7/15/2018 4:38:41 PM EDT
[#18]
Theyre sentinels on steroids.
Literally do anything they do but better... and cheaper?! No brainer imho |
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Posted: 7/15/2018 4:57:59 PM EDT
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Flippi bois lol. Good to hear, not sure what to expect since they are new to the market but word seem's to be good so far. I expect a quality review forth coming then! Also you cost me $100 on the Maritime rails which shipped already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else. I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them. If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation. Quoted:
Still waiting on mine, next week hopefully 
And I’m sure I will be blabbing about the rnvg’s. |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 11:27:20 AM EDT
[#20]
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I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else. I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them. If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 9:22:30 AM EDT
[#21]
Okay, help me out. I'm not seeing the RNVG that much cheaper than the Sentinels. I mean, if i'm going to drop $8K to $9K on NVGs, a couple hundred bucks isn't going to be a deal breaker.
On TNVC's website the RNVGs (WP) are going for $8,525, while the Sentinels (WP) are listed at $9,249. A difference of $723. I'm not seeing these being that much better than the Sentinels for a measly $700. Yeah, yeah, go be poor somewhere else. blah blah. But I'm in the market for binos, and have pretty much decided on the Sents. change my mind. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 9:57:17 AM EDT
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Okay, help me out. I'm not seeing the RNVG that much cheaper than the Sentinels. I mean, if i'm going to drop $8K to $9K on NVGs, a couple hundred bucks isn't going to be a deal breaker. On TNVC's website the RNVGs (WP) are going for $8,525, while the Sentinels (WP) are listed at $9,249. A difference of $723. I'm not seeing these being that much better than the Sentinels for a measly $700. Yeah, yeah, go be poor somewhere else. blah blah. But I'm in the market for binos, and have pretty much decided on the Sents. change my mind. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 10:22:17 AM EDT
[#23]
Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack.
The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy. Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 11:15:10 AM EDT
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Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack. The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy. Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount. I do understand the appeal of the AA too, but for me the 123a is best. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 11:17:40 AM EDT
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I personally like the 123a better. I feel like they leak a lot less than AA batteries and they last longer. Also, the rest of the stuff on my rifle uses 123a batteries. My PEQ, flashlight, EOTech... I do understand the appeal of the AA too, but for me the 123a is best. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 11:18:23 AM EDT
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Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack. The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy. Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 11:36:21 AM EDT
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Chris Adams will state that the Sentinel is better and take it to the grave lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack. The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy. Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount. From recent research on batteries sparked by asking about batteries in the other topic I posted. From some research it seems that linthium AA’s don’t seem to leak any more or less than 123a. The 123a does have an edge on power and longer run time at the cost of being more expensive and harder to find. Most accessories do take 123a but the less I have to carry the better really or at least in my opinion. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 12:13:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Okay, help me out. I'm not seeing the RNVG that much cheaper than the Sentinels. I mean, if i'm going to drop $8K to $9K on NVGs, a couple hundred bucks isn't going to be a deal breaker. On TNVC's website the RNVGs (WP) are going for $8,525, while the Sentinels (WP) are listed at $9,249. A difference of $723. I'm not seeing these being that much better than the Sentinels for a measly $700. Yeah, yeah, go be poor somewhere else. blah blah. But I'm in the market for binos, and have pretty much decided on the Sents. change my mind. Both are extremely durable systems, Adam is going to tell you his is stronger, Adams is going to say his is, ultimately it’s angels and pinheads, IMHO—they’re both strong and durable. FWIW, there are some applications for which polymer is superior to aluminum, but again, IMHO it’s a non-issue, no one was complaining about the Sentinels not being durable enough, or even suggested it until the RNVGs were announced. The main discriminator is the AA versus 123, and the ANVIS mount capability. If those things are important to you, I would still say go with the Sentinels. However, a large proportion of users don’t care which battery they use, and will never use a ball detent mount, making the RNVG a great option. Also, while slightly off-topic, the main advantages of the ANVIS mount ror ground use are less the external battery pack capability as much as the much lower stowed profile compared to the dovetail, and the option to run the mount “hot,” allowing a much simpler and much more reliable auto-shutoff feature than is available with a non-powered dovetail interface. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 12:21:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chris Adams will state that the Sentinel is better and take it to the grave lol. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 12:36:17 PM EDT
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Let me preface this with: I have owned every flavor of MOD3 sold, and multiple other AB NV Mono's. I now currently own a MOD3 and a Sentinel.
So let me get this straight - AB Night Vision is contracted to build the Sentinels for Adams Industries, and then AB Night Vision partners with another competing vendor to produce the RNVG (which is basically a sentinel copy in Aluminum)? Coke pays Pepsi to make Coke and in doing so shares intellectual property/recipe for Coke. Then Pepsi decides it can improve Coke and starts selling PepsiCola based upon Coke's original formula that they had inside knowledge of due to the manufacturing contract. Something feels a little off on this one. How are there not lawsuits involved? Real question: Is this something to be of concern of long term? Anyone know of Patent situations on either device? I want to say AI had some pending patents on the Color NV stuff they were working on, but I don't know about the housings. I just see it as a concern to spend 1-2k on a housing only to see one or both go belly up over infringements. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 12:56:11 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Let me preface this with: I have owned every flavor of MOD3 sold, and multiple other AB NV Mono's. I now currently own a MOD3 and a Sentinel. So let me get this straight - AB Night Vision is contracted to build the Sentinels for Adams Industries, and then AB Night Vision partners with another competing vendor to produce the RNVG (which is basically a sentinel copy in Aluminum)? Coke pays Pepsi to make Coke and in doing so shares intellectual property/recipe for Coke. Then Pepsi decides it can improve Coke and starts selling PepsiCola based upon Coke's original formula that they had inside knowledge of due to the manufacturing contract. Something feels a little off on this one. How are there not lawsuits involved? Real question: Is this something to be of concern of long term? Anyone know of Patent situations on either device? I want to say AI had some pending patents on the Color NV stuff they were working on, but I don't know about the housings. I just see it as a concern to spend 1-2k on a housing only to see one or both go belly up over infringements. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 1:11:43 PM EDT
[#32]
There are some pretty big differences between the RNVG and Sentinel, its a completely different housing design. Its powered differently, the interpupilary adjustment track rails are in a differnet place, the electrical contacts that power the RNVG are not the wires that are found tucked up underneath the Bridge or a Sentinel and the illuminator is vastly different, if anything the RNVG is much more similar to the MOD3 in design.
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Posted: 7/17/2018 4:32:40 PM EDT
[#33]
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There are some pretty big differences between the RNVG and Sentinel, its a completely different housing design. Its powered differently, the interpupilary adjustment track rails are in a differnet place, the electrical contacts that power the RNVG are not the wires that are found tucked up underneath the Bridge or a Sentinel and the illuminator is vastly different, if anything the RNVG is much more similar to the MOD3 in design. I've been seeing some nasty posts lately (mostly Facebook), and I wasn't sure what in the hell was going on or if AI's build shop ripped his design or something - which causes me some concern since I own devices by both parties. lol. Ironically, my MOD3 housings mostly came from Glynn, so go figure. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 4:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never heard of any "partnership" like that....Could be wrong. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 4:59:55 PM EDT
[#35]
All I can say is AB NV told us directly it's their product, and that's what we go by and by all their press releases makes us beleive it is their product.
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Posted: 7/17/2018 5:19:00 PM EDT
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the RNVG should be lighter weight than sent's and i will bet eventually a ball detent mount option eventually
like tnvc sam said they are exact copies of the mod 3 system, not Sentinel's |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 11:47:59 PM EDT
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Am I missing something or is anvis style still not compatible with RNVG? I have an older set of Anvis 6s and they can't be swapped over, so I'm not sure why the RNVG is getting a pass on that front.
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Posted: 7/18/2018 1:08:13 AM EDT
[#38]
These with the new Wilcox G69 would look awesome.
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Posted: 7/18/2018 3:50:36 PM EDT
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Am I missing something or is anvis style still not compatible with RNVG? I have an older set of Anvis 6s and they can't be swapped over, so I'm not sure why the RNVG is getting a pass on that front. |
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Posted: 7/19/2018 5:59:22 PM EDT
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I like the looks of the RNVG I may pick a set with echo tubes
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Posted: 7/19/2018 6:49:58 PM EDT
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And now I’m waiting on some white tubes for my RNVG
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Posted: 7/19/2018 8:21:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are some pretty big differences between the RNVG and Sentinel, its a completely different housing design. Its powered differently, the interpupilary adjustment track rails are in a differnet place, the electrical contacts that power the RNVG are not the wires that are found tucked up underneath the Bridge or a Sentinel and the illuminator is vastly different, if anything the RNVG is much more similar to the MOD3 in design. Edit: guess I didn't take a hard enough look, thanks great308. |
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Posted: 7/19/2018 10:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to elaborate and how the electrical is done on the RNVG? Never liked the build quality of the Sents and really didnt like the tiny exposed wires underneath. Taking a hard look at the RNVG. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
There are some pretty big differences between the RNVG and Sentinel, its a completely different housing design. Its powered differently, the interpupilary adjustment track rails are in a differnet place, the electrical contacts that power the RNVG are not the wires that are found tucked up underneath the Bridge or a Sentinel and the illuminator is vastly different, if anything the RNVG is much more similar to the MOD3 in design. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 8:59:36 PM EDT
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They're coming with DEP each tubes so that's probably why. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:07:12 AM EDT
[#45]
Photonis Hybrid Unfilmed Autogated Echo white or green phosphor image tubes
The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better. Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform. There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:08:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What're DEP tubes? Google isn't giving me any answers The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better. Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform. There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:18:22 AM EDT
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RNVG “As the optic pods traverse during interpupilary adjustment, they ride across an electrical contact strip.” 1. Corrosion. I know my early MOD 3's were having some corrosion issues from various metals being used. It was galvanic corrosion, and was a result of passing voltage across 2 different metals, which made the battery caps very difficult to remove. Conductive grease helped mitigate the problem, but it was still a design flaw and I provided that feedback to AB. Hopefully galvanic corrosion isn't an issue and the contacts and pads are all complimentary metals. 2. Shut-off's. If the contacts slide and they are spring powered like the MOD 3 power contacts, I wonder if will have similar issues as the MOD 3's. I've read multiple reports that MOD 3's will cut out intermittently while ATV'ing and hitting bumps. I haven't run into that issue with mine, yet though. Maybe someone who has can speak directly to this issue? These are by no means deal breakers. I think extra bridge options are great and I love my MOD 3's despite any minor design flaws. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:23:49 AM EDT
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There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 10:09:02 AM EDT
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Good question I wondered the same thing? I was getting real serious about ordering a set of ACT DTNVG when I saw the pics of the new RNVG showing up. The major price difference between the two now kind of killed my DTNVG buzz. Seems the the RNVG may over the best bang for the buck right now.
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Posted: 7/23/2018 10:32:30 AM EDT
[#50]
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Photonis Hybrid Unfilmed Autogated Echo white or green phosphor image tubes The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better. Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform. There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What're DEP tubes? Google isn't giving me any answers The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better. Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform. There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit. |
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