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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:43:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the MAWL. You wont regret it. So here is a question, consider that weight is important to me, is there really a compelling reason to have a white light on your "go to" rifle if you are already set up with NV and a MAWL? I run a TLR1 at the 12 o'clock so this is a minor issue, but I figured I'd attack it anyway. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 11:27:31 PM EDT
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$2500 is a tough pill to swallow, especially considering I just got into NV, no experience with it, and really very little experience shooting at night. But I am eager to jump right in head first and I have no problem shelling out the cash for the top product in the category. I'd get Sentinels if I could afford them, but certainly cannot (which makes me wonder if that many people can or if they are just simply using TNVC Financing). Frankly, I think Sean Havok's review was the final straw. I think I am going to do it later this month. I am very excited. So here is a question, consider that weight is important to me, is there really a compelling reason to have a white light on your "go to" rifle if you are already set up with NV and a MAWL? I run a TLR1 at the 12 o'clock so this is a minor issue, but I figured I'd attack it anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Do the MAWL. You wont regret it. So here is a question, consider that weight is important to me, is there really a compelling reason to have a white light on your "go to" rifle if you are already set up with NV and a MAWL? I run a TLR1 at the 12 o'clock so this is a minor issue, but I figured I'd attack it anyway. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 7:25:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $2500 is a tough pill to swallow, especially considering I just got into NV, no experience with it, and really very little experience shooting at night. But I am eager to jump right in head first and I have no problem shelling out the cash for the top product in the category. I'd get Sentinels if I could afford them, but certainly cannot (which makes me wonder if that many people can or if they are just simply using TNVC Financing). Frankly, I think Sean Havok's review was the final straw. I think I am going to do it later this month. I am very excited. So here is a question, consider that weight is important to me, is there really a compelling reason to have a white light on your "go to" rifle if you are already set up with NV and a MAWL? I run a TLR1 at the 12 o'clock so this is a minor issue, but I figured I'd attack it anyway. |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 3:19:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $2500 is a tough pill to swallow, especially considering I just got into NV, no experience with it, and really very little experience shooting at night. But I am eager to jump right in head first and I have no problem shelling out the cash for the top product in the category. I'd get Sentinels if I could afford them, but certainly cannot (which makes me wonder if that many people can or if they are just simply using TNVC Financing). Frankly, I think Sean Havok's review was the final straw. I think I am going to do it later this month. I am very excited. So here is a question, consider that weight is important to me, is there really a compelling reason to have a white light on your "go to" rifle if you are already set up with NV and a MAWL? I run a TLR1 at the 12 o'clock so this is a minor issue, but I figured I'd attack it anyway. |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 3:53:21 PM EDT
[#5]
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Do not I repeat do not blast your NV system with the Laser/Illuminator like this guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: $2500 is a tough pill to swallow, especially considering I just got into NV, no experience with it, and really very little experience shooting at night. But I am eager to jump right in head first and I have no problem shelling out the cash for the top product in the category. I'd get Sentinels if I could afford them, but certainly cannot (which makes me wonder if that many people can or if they are just simply using TNVC Financing). Frankly, I think Sean Havok's review was the final straw. I think I am going to do it later this month. I am very excited. So here is a question, consider that weight is important to me, is there really a compelling reason to have a white light on your "go to" rifle if you are already set up with NV and a MAWL? I run a TLR1 at the 12 o'clock so this is a minor issue, but I figured I'd attack it anyway. 
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Posted: 9/5/2018 6:28:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $2500 is a tough pill to swallow, especially considering I just got into NV, no experience with it, and really very little experience shooting at night. But I am eager to jump right in head first and I have no problem shelling out the cash for the top product in the category. I'd get Sentinels if I could afford them, but certainly cannot (which makes me wonder if that many people can or if they are just simply using TNVC Financing). Frankly, I think Sean Havok's review was the final straw. I think I am going to do it later this month. I am very excited. So here is a question, consider that weight is important to me, is there really a compelling reason to have a white light on your "go to" rifle if you are already set up with NV and a MAWL? I run a TLR1 at the 12 o'clock so this is a minor issue, but I figured I'd attack it anyway. If the d2 didn’t exist I’d say save your pennies. And yes, WL on your gun. Absolutely. |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 9:13:34 PM EDT
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You don’t “need” the quick change illuminator settings. Peq 15 have one? They never stacked any bodies with those.....(sarcasm) The quick change illuminator setting is amazing and I spent years being upset with the adjustment on the Peq15, which is why I bought a MAWL the next day after using one. |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 9:43:33 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Forget the MAWL. Dbal d2. If the d2 didn’t exist I’d say save your pennies. How is the ergos on that configuration? |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 11:43:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Forget the MAWL. Dbal d2. You don’t “need” the quick change illuminator settings. Peq 15 have one? They never stacked any bodies with those.....(sarcasm) Got more money than god? Get the MAWL. Are you like my uncle who thinks he is Rambo, has to have “the best”, makes 100,000 and lives paycheck to paycheck, and hasnt shot any of his guns in yeas? Get the MAWL. See where I’m going with this. If the d2 didn’t exist I’d say save your pennies. And yes, WL on your gun. Absolutely. Positive pressure zeroing sucks, the dbal sits up too high, doesn’t play well with with surefire pressure pads, and the battery compartment in the front is annoying becuase your front buis can block it. Personaly, at that price point I would rather look at other options or go with the atpial |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 7:40:51 AM EDT
[#10]
Ive gone from Peq15c, to Peq15, and now I am about to go MAWL. I have gotten to play with one a little and I am sold. So if anyone wants a 15 Ill hook you up lol!
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:36:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Positive pressure zeroing sucks, the dbal sits up too high, doesn’t play well with with surefire pressure pads, and the battery compartment in the front is annoying becuase your front buis can block it. Personaly, at that price point I would rather look at other options or go with the atpial I honestly don’t care if you buy one. It’s your money. Just don’t bring bs “problems” to justify an extra used pvs-14 in cost. Every single person I know who has one and I’ve talked too all day the same exact thing. The MAWL is awesome (and it is) but it isn’t $1500+ more awesome than a d2 for civi use. Im sure there are some guys out there say it is worth the extra money. Cool. That’s perfectly fine. Again, just spare me the bs issues. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:38:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dont "need" that quick self loading AR15 either, Springfield 1903 load itself? They never stacked any bodies with those.....(sarcasm) The quick change illuminator setting is amazing and I spent years being upset with the adjustment on the Peq15, which is why I bought a MAWL the next day after using one. And none of what you said changes what I said. I’m glad your happy with yours. I’m more than happy with my setup. No smart ass. 
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:39:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't laid hands on a D2. Photos show activator button on back rather than on top like an I2 or A3. How is the ergos on that configuration? |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:41:23 AM EDT
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False analogy. Does a Springfield shoot as fast or load as fast as an AR? No. The d2’s illuminator hangs with the MAWL. The way it achieves it is different. Had a D2, it in no way compares to the usefulness of a MAWL, nor does a full power PEQ or DBAL for that matter. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:45:02 AM EDT
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Guys look, the MAWL is awesome. If you have lots of money or need it for work then go for it. I just don’t think it’s worth the extra $1500 for what I or most civi’s need.
Then again most people don’t need a 200 mph z06. I’m not hatin. Just don’t try to bring bs reasons as to why the d2 is no good and one absolutely needs the MAWL. That’s just not reality. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:48:03 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the D2 illuminator adjust anywhere near as fast as a MAWL? No. Had a D2, it in no way compares to the usefulness of a MAWL, nor does a full power PEQ or DBAL for that matter. Nvm, you’re right. All of our troops using a device that doesn’t do quick change are all going to die. Lol. You f’in guys kill me. Uncountable amount of users and stacked bodies disagree with you. But keep justifying your purchase as a “need” |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:50:09 AM EDT
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Guys look, the MAWL is awesome. If you have lots of money or need it for work then go for it. I just don’t think it’s worth the extra $1500 for what I or most civi’s need. Then again most people don’t need a 200 mph z06. I’m not hatin. Just don’t try to bring bs reasons as to why the d2 is no good and one absolutely needs the MAWL. That’s just not reality. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:51:45 AM EDT
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Honestly I thought all lasers were a toy for many years no trust in them for serious work/hunting. I bought a D2 back when they first came out with the option to return if I didn’t like it. Wow, was I surprised so much I sold off my two NV scopes and switched to helmet mounted NV and a couple IR laser systems for years until thermal scope prices came down affordable then bought several of them last few years.
I could snap on the 3X afocal to pvs-14 and blast D2 IR laser/Illum our past 150 yards and flatten wild hogs in their tracks. D2 never moved POI or let me down ever and I used it several days a week in the field for years. So much It had zero finish left on the housing I had to re paint it. MAWL looks great I’ve been thinking of order one myself just because no real reason other than it’s new and cool. D2 is still a beast and great buy before the MAWL was released most everyone considered it 1st or 2nd place in top IR class 1 systems.Im just glad we have severall great choices now everyone has different taste and needs in gear. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:54:24 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should probably post less and read more. I use this shit almost every weekend now that it’s getting nicer out and sometimes during the week too. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:55:37 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you running in and out of different sized rooms to absolutely need that quick change? Nvm, you’re right. All of our troops using a device that doesn’t do quick change are all going to die. Lol. You f’in guys kill me. Uncountable amount of users and stacked bodies disagree with you. But keep justifying your purchase as a “need” Most people used a White/IR light set to IR for close and the PEQ set tighter for far rather than trying to adjust the illum. The MAWL lets you leave your white light or white in case that is needed and have a universally useful IR. Its as amazing of an improvement to IR illum as going from a bolt gun to an AR. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 10:57:20 AM EDT
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Sick of basement dwellers telling me what they think they need because marketing. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 11:08:54 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Take you own advice. Sick of basement dwellers telling me what they think they need because marketing. I use this shit almost every weekend now that it’s getting nicer out and sometimes during the week too. Man. You're living the dream. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 11:45:28 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No Positive pressure zeroing sucks, the dbal sits up too high, doesn’t play well with with surefire pressure pads, and the battery compartment in the front is annoying becuase your front buis can block it. Personaly, at that price point I would rather look at other options or go with the atpial |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 11:53:08 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the D2 illuminator adjust anywhere near as fast as a MAWL? No. Had a D2, it in no way compares to the usefulness of a MAWL, nor does a full power PEQ or DBAL for that matter. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 12:01:46 PM EDT
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I wouldn't call trying to activate the MAWL support hand or shift of zero when changing or installing a battery without buying a 100.00 upgrade a downside "useful". Witness mark on screw as mentioned earlier in this thread, but yeah the new cap is nicer, I dislike the fact that you have to use a tool more than I care about having to put a witness mark. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 12:06:14 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even at my boring little shooting course, its fun watching frustrated people twirl the knobs on their DBALs and PEQ to adjust spread so they can engage targets at different ranges. Most people used a White/IR light set to IR for close and the PEQ set tighter for far rather than trying to adjust the illum. The MAWL lets you leave your white light or white in case that is needed and have a universally useful IR. Its as amazing of an improvement to IR illum as going from a bolt gun to an AR. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 1:20:20 PM EDT
[#27]
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The APTIAL/PEQ also use the "Positive pressure zeroing" I've never read the MAWL manual, but I wouldn't be surprised it did also.  Attached FileAlso, not being able to run the dbal as far forward as other lasers because you can’t change the batteries is a big deal. You either run it at a different location, or remove your front buis or laser each time you change the battery. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 7:43:45 PM EDT
[#28]
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Maybe I missed it, but no where in the atpial manual does it describe the process like what the DBAL D2 manual suggests. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/171044/066F81CC-21FA-40E9-BCDE-F58555F0F2AB-669265.JPG Also, not being able to run the dbal as far forward as other lasers because you can’t change the batteries is a big deal. You either run it at a different location, or remove your front buis or laser each time you change the battery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The APTIAL/PEQ also use the "Positive pressure zeroing" I've never read the MAWL manual, but I wouldn't be surprised it did also. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/171044/066F81CC-21FA-40E9-BCDE-F58555F0F2AB-669265.JPG Also, not being able to run the dbal as far forward as other lasers because you can’t change the batteries is a big deal. You either run it at a different location, or remove your front buis or laser each time you change the battery. ‘’To minimize laser travel as a result of weapon shock, it is good practice to place a positive load on the adjusters by ending all boresight adjuster rotations with an approximate 1/2 turn in a CCW direction.’’ http://www.manualsdir.com/manuals/402173/eotech-atpial-an_peq-15-advanced-target-pointer-illuminator-aiming-light.html?page=34 |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 8:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Maybe I missed it, but no where in the atpial manual does it describe the process like what the DBAL D2 manual suggests. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/171044/066F81CC-21FA-40E9-BCDE-F58555F0F2AB-669265.JPG Also, not being able to run the dbal as far forward as other lasers because you can’t change the batteries is a big deal. You either run it at a different location, or remove your front buis or laser each time you change the battery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The APTIAL/PEQ also use the "Positive pressure zeroing" I've never read the MAWL manual, but I wouldn't be surprised it did also. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/171044/066F81CC-21FA-40E9-BCDE-F58555F0F2AB-669265.JPG Also, not being able to run the dbal as far forward as other lasers because you can’t change the batteries is a big deal. You either run it at a different location, or remove your front buis or laser each time you change the battery. Or put your sight behind the laser. Or wait for a LEAF designed for the D2. Or just ditch backups all together. |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 9:50:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Section 2.5 “Boresighting Procedures” ‘’To minimize laser travel as a result of weapon shock, it is good practice to place a positive load on the adjusters by ending all boresight adjuster rotations with an approximate 1/2 turn in a CCW direction.’’ http://www.manualsdir.com/manuals/402173/eotech-atpial-an_peq-15-advanced-target-pointer-illuminator-aiming-light.html?page=34 |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 11:37:37 PM EDT
[#31]
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Also, not being able to run the dbal as far forward as other lasers because you can’t change the batteries is a big deal. You either run it at a different location, or remove your front buis or laser each time you change the battery. Don't get me wrong the C1+ is a good piece of kit, but it does have it's down falls. The biggest is having your zero shift when changing or installing a battery. Sure you can use torq seal or paint to align the marks when reinstalling the battery, but try that in an advanced No Light class/scenario and let us know how that works out for you. You can always spring for their $100.00 "tool required" removable battery cap, but trying to use that in the same scenario is more of a problem than moving a D2 1 rail space back to access the battery. Or Mod Armory has a tool-less cap assy for the low low price of $460.00 Take all of that into consideration picking the MAWL over the D2 because of the advantages of the MAWL's quick switching illumination distances doesn't sounds like "forgive the pun" a Bright Idea. Some how I don't feel out classed running a D2 and saving 1,500 over a MAWL C1+............"Priceless" |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 12:00:20 AM EDT
[#32]
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but try that in an advanced No Light class/scenario and let us know how that works out for you. You can always spring for their $100.00 "tool required" removable battery cap, picking the MAWL over the D2 because of the advantages of the MAWL's quick switching illumination distances doesn't sounds like "forgive the pun" a Bright Idea. Some how I don't feel out classed running a D2 and saving 1,500 over a MAWL C1+............"Priceless" The 100$ more is for the tool-less cap included, its 460$ if you buy it after the fact. The quick switching illumination is amazing, its worth the price. I was really hoping the DBAL-A4 was going to be in the 1600$ range like it was supposed to be as it has that feature. Do you think maybe there is a reason Steiner added this feature? I feel totally out classed using my issued full power PEQ-15 after using the MAWL C1+. Using your price argument I would get an OTAL and TNVC torch for 600$ and save 400$ over the D2. |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 12:38:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I teach an advanced no light class. Just put a fresh battery in before any serious use, like you do with anything. I do the same thing with NODs, I did the same thing before going out and doing shit in real life. You dont want to be changing batteries in anything no matter how easy in a bad situation. The 100$ more is for the tool-less cap included, its 460$ if you buy it after the fact. The quick switching illumination is amazing, its worth the price. I was really hoping the DBAL-A4 was going to be in the 1600$ range like it was supposed to be as it has that feature. Do you think maybe there is a reason Steiner added this feature? I feel totally out classed using my issued full power PEQ-15 after using the MAWL C1+. Using your price argument I would get an OTAL and TNVC torch for 600$ and save 400$ over the D2. OTAL and a TNVC torch is not an option due to the lack of white light, weight and the cost is to close to a used D2. Funny you mention put a fresh battery in your LAM before you take the class/kit up which I did/do religiously main do to SOPs, but to my surprise the instructor made us remove our batteries from everything, stowed our NODs, messed with all of our adjustments on the lowering arm etc, induced a FTE/FTF/BOB in our rifles and had us our rigs back individually and said "Fix It" your team is dying and depending on you. IIRC Par time was 90 seconds completely blacked out. |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 7:34:55 AM EDT
[#34]
People are creating a lot of needless drama over the supposed zero shift while changing batteries on a mawl.
My contact at BE Meyers confirmed that as long as you are close to the same torque the zero won't change , and if you aren't close, the maximum amount of shift is one width of the pointer beam (basically nothing). I have also tested this with the visible pointer on my mawl and as soon as the screw is firmly tightened the POI returns to where it was set, and further tightening doesn't alter it (like using a geissele scope mount). Yes, it is a little annoying to need a tool to change batteries, but now that the new ec2 tail unit is available for only $100 more when you buy a mawl, just get that. I also own a dbal-d2. It sits in my bag because the mawl is worth 2x the price. |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 8:14:27 AM EDT
[#35]
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People are creating a lot of needless drama over the supposed zero shift while changing batteries on a mawl. My contact at BE Meyers confirmed that as long as you are close to the same torque the zero won't change , and if you aren't close, the maximum amount of shift is one width of the pointer beam (basically nothing). I have also tested this with the visible pointer on my mawl and as soon as the screw is firmly tightened the POI returns to where it was set, and further tightening doesn't alter it (like using a geissele scope mount). Yes, it is a little annoying to need a tool to change batteries, but now that the new ec2 tail unit is available for only $100 more when you buy a mawl, just get that. I also own a dbal-d2. It sits in my bag because the mawl is worth 2x the price. But to reply to your post the beam size does grow the futher you go out and at 50 meters its not much, but move out to 300- 400 meters and it can be an issue depending on how big your target is at that distance. Also once you unscrew the battery cap isn't there a chance to loose the cap as well as a chance for the head to fall off? If this is true for hunting or casual night course may not be a problem, but in a high stress situation can be detrimental. Yup I get it put a fresh battery in it, but Murphy's Law usually shows up at the worst time. |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 9:57:12 AM EDT
[#36]
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It's almost as much drama saying moving your LAM 1 rail slot back a valid reason to spend 1,500 more lol and yeah I get it gotta get people into your corner to say your/my option is better. But to reply to your post the beam size does grow the futher you go out and at 50 meters its not much, but move out to 300- 400 meters and it can be an issue depending on how big your target is at that distance. Also once you unscrew the battery cap isn't there a chance to loose the cap as well as a chance for the head to fall off? If this is true for hunting or casual night course may not be a problem, but in a high stress situation can be detrimental. Yup I get it put a fresh battery in it, but Murphy's Law usually shows up at the worst time. No, the head doesn't just fall off when you take the tail off. Have you ever used a mawl and taken it apart? I'll say it again: just get the ec2 tail when you buy the mawl for $100 more. Then all the fantasy scenarios are covered. If you don't want to spend $2600 on a mawl, I respect that. It's not cheap. I also own a D2 and find the mawl to be better in enough ways that it's worth the cost. |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 4:54:39 PM EDT
[#37]
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It's almost as much drama saying moving your LAM 1 rail slot back a valid reason to spend 1,500 more Long story short, it sounds like we are just in different situations |
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Posted: 9/13/2018 8:07:24 PM EDT
[#38]
This whole post confuses me,
Should I buy a IPhone Xs max or a MAWL at 12:01am tonight 
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Posted: 9/14/2018 11:50:49 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I also own a dbal-d2. It sits in my bag because It’s the perfect excuse to build a backup. Get crackin! |
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Posted: 9/14/2018 12:12:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Slippers , am I right? It’s the perfect excuse to build a backup. Get crackin! |
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